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Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

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Henry Rollins as Fichtner's goon is pretty hilarious. I bet he hated shooting the scene where Pacino tosses him around like a ragdoll.

I read somewhere that Pacino's 'GREAT rear end' line was essentially ad-libbed. Well the yelling was; apparently he was supposed to whisper it in Azaria's ear but either they had done too many takes and he was frustrated, or he was just on some Weird Pacino poo poo that day, and screamed it in his face. Azaria's look of shock is genuine.

MrQwerty posted:

the fact that they didn't need to overdub the shootout because shooting blanks off in downtown LA was so loving loud that it made the soundtrack is really something

haljordan posted:

Yeah Michael Mann insisting on using real locations and basically no soundstages is why it sounds so loving awesome. You almost never, ever see that kind of stuff nowadays.

The thing about (almost) no gunshot overdubs is true, but the audio in those scenes is also heavily compressed, which is a huge factor in how ear-splittingly loud you perceive it.

William Henry Hairytaint posted:

I think the big deal is that this is the best Batman doing it

:hmmyes:

Mister Speaker fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Apr 9, 2023

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Mister Speaker
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Miami Vice was fun but it's definitely Michael Mann capitalizing on his appeal to insufferable gun dweebs. Collateral was that as well; the kind of movie for twiggy engineers who watch ballistic gel videos and fantasize about using their CCWs, but MV played that hand a little too hard with the scene where the one SWAT member describes how she's going to shoot the hostage taker in the brainstem instead of just doing it.

They're all very fun movies, but beware anyone who likes them a little too much.

Tumble posted:

haha i forgot about the chunky FBI agent who gets shot, his "ah come on" look always cracks me up

Mark Ruffalo??? Or are you talking about someone else?

My favourite part about the nightclub scene in Collateral (other than the tactical gun dweeb poo poo) is that the song playing is Ready, Steady, Go by Paul Oakenfold, but someone in the music direction department asked that they change the titular vocal sample to Korean(?) to better fit the scene. It's the same song used in the car chase scene in The Bourne Identity.

Mister Speaker
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Cruise is turbo rich so he's no doubt been full of the best steroids and peptide hormones money can buy for decades. He probably recovers from injuries before he even sustains them.

EDIT: Also, yeah AFAIK the chair thing was totally 'improvised' in that it was an accident but Mann liked it so much he kept it in the film.

Mister Speaker fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Apr 18, 2023

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Lmao. The Photoshop job on this is just convincing enough (and I'm high) that I went "wait, did Shiherlis have a moustache?"

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Dr. Gojo Shioji posted:

Miami Vice and Apocalypto were shot around the same time and were both really early examples of films shot entirely on digital. It's incredible how much better Apocalypto looked than Miami Vice, and how amazing it still looks nearly 20 years into digital cinematography. That Viper camera Mann used just looked like poo poo.

I feel a little bad for enjoying it because Mel Gibson is a huge piece of trash, but Apocalypto loving rules. Just an incredibly stressful crescendo and then the whole back half of the movie is a chase scene punctuated by incredible moments of vengeance.

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Earwicker posted:

oh yea there's also a pretty good modern western bank robbery movie, Hell or High Water, from 2016. Chris Pine and Jeff Bridges.

This movie was severely underrated.

I know I've mentioned it ITT before, and it's not exactly modern, but The Score is a fantastic heist movie. DeNiro, Norton and Brando planning a heist in scenic Montreal.

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haljordan posted:

Brando kept calling Frank Oz "Miss Piggy" throughout filming, such a colossal rear end in a top hat lol. Also I saw "Island of Dr. Moreau" in the theater, someone owes me money.

Hahaha that's awesome, Brando ruled.

A few pages back someone mentioned this and it just popped back into my mind: Do we ever find out what's actually in the case in Ronin? I remember the case itself being the kind of case you'd carry figure skates in, but not if it's ever opened or anything.

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Nice, I've never heard of Spartan, will check it out purely on account of Val Kilmer but also because it's got Philliam H. Muffman in it.

Have we talked about Wrath of Man ITT? I feel like we have, but either way it's worth watching if you like heist/crime movies. It's Guy Ritchie and Jason Statham doing violence as usual. The script and editing feel more than a bit clumsy, in sort of a "what was the budget for this movie" kind of way, but the last couple of acts are very enjoyable, and the whole conceit of the robbers turning tail and running away literally as soon as they see Statham's face is a fun one because you can stop the movie right there and go "Yeah I'd probably run away too." Also he kills Post Malone.

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Good Time and Green Room are the most tense movies I've ever seen. GT had me and my buddies shouting "NO" in the theatre, and I was still jacked up by GR two days after watching it.

People rave about Uncut Gems but GT is the Safdies' masterpiece.

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Maybe I'll rewatch Miami Vice tonight. I saw it in theatres when I was a huge gun nut/armchair general and I remember it getting my rocks off with all the Michael Mann gun porn but I feel like rewatching it today it might all be a little cringe. The scene where the female SWAT member describes how she's going to shoot the hostage taker before he can trigger the explosive in particular was a bit hamfisted; SWAT operators don't do that, they just loving shoot you. And doesn't the climactic gun battle end with Colin Farrell literally doing a backflip whilst firing a shotgun? That's not in the training.

As an aside though, Farrell is a loving excellent actor. I just rewatched Minority Report last night; he legit stole the show in that one (not an easy task with that stacked cast).

Wifi Toilet posted:

Just watched The Outfit and Good Time, good stuff. Post more good movies from the last 10 years I haven’t heard about.

Good Time was legit one of the most stressful movies I've ever seen in theatres. We were supposed to go see a Star War, but ended up going into this movie blind and it was such a good decision. The scene where they dose the guy with WAY too much acid had us screaming in our seats, and Connie hitting on the underage girl was so skeevy. I mean, the whole movie is a clinic "am I supposed to like this rear end in a top hat? He sucks." Excellent casting, costume design and makeup too - everyone in that movie just looks so fuckin' greasy.

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Shumagorath posted:

That is honestly one of the most stylish moves in all of film. It made me want a 1911 but the Canadian handgun freeze drove the prices above $2000 during the final round of imports, and they're maintenance queens.

lmao

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Rewatched Collateral last night. Great flick all-around. As much as I hate Tom Cruise, he's a great actor and I couldn't see anyone else selling that role like he does. He's so sickly charming in the role, he talks about his work and waxes philosophical in the cab in this way that just triggers the imagination about what kind of backstory he's got. And the dynamic between him and Jamie Foxx (who is also fabulous in his role) is just incredible.

I always forget that Mark Ruffalo is the detective, he's barely recognizable with the goatee and slicked-back hair (and Javier Bardem as the scary Mexican gang boss is also a bit of a chameleon). The detective's extremely unceremonious and shocking death at Vincent's hand is crazy traumatic.

Of course as tacticLOL nerds the movie is like a wet dream. I can't remember if Andy McNabb was also involved in training up Cruise, but I wouldn't be surprised. Back when I was turbo into guns (and honestly, still) the combat scenes were pure porn.

The music is interesting. Two Chris Cornell songs might be too many, but it absolutely works. And I think I've mentioned this before, but the version of Ready Steady Go by Paul Oakenfold that plays in the Asian club scene has the titular sample changed to Korean(?) which I always find funny.

The final shootout I still don't really get though. Max steps to the side right as the lights flicker out, and Vincent thinks he's still shooting center-mass but he's not? Unless there's something else going on that I've missed all this time, it seems a little flimsy. And he goes to reload but stops, is that just because he knows he's sustained a fatal wound?

Also fun movie trivia if you haven't seen it in a long time: Who is the cameo right at the beginning of the movie?
- It's literally the second person you see in focus
- Someone, maybe Mann, confirmed that it means the movie is supposed to take place in the same universe as this actor's popular action franchise.

It's Jason Statham, handing off the bag to Vincent.

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Joel Kinnaman is great. I actually really dug the Robocop remake, he was a good Murphy.

And he's an absolute steroid elemental in Altered Carbon, which was also great.

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Rewatching HEAT. Still so good. Ashley Judd was such a babe.

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I HAD COFFEE WITH MCCAULEY HALF AN HOUR AGO!!!

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I still don't really get the final shootout in Collateral. I've said it before but if the explanation for Max winning really is as simple as 'he moved over and Vincent didn't see it', it's maybe the weakest part of an otherwise great film. I've heard some explanations that there's more to it but it really doesn't seem that way. Then again, HEAT has a similarly-flawed climax, with Hanna just happening to catch McCauley's shadow in the nick of time.

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exquisite tea posted:

The idea is that Vincent is rigid and dogmatically efficient, and so fails to innovate against what has always worked for him. Max succeeds because he is resourceful and can improvise.

I get it, but it's still done in a hamfisted way.

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I liked Den of Thieves :ohdear:

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In the movie you can also tell McCauley's crew have some sort of military experience or training. They're doing 'bounding overwatch' during the shootout - essentially an armed game of leapfrog where one element lays down covering fire while another moves and then they alternate. I believe their opening volley was also a 'violence of action' move to create psychological dominance and force the cops to establish a wide perimeter. All of this tracks with having Andy McNabb as a consultant on the film, and while it's never explicitly stated IIRC I think the implication is there that the crew drilled in preparation for scenarios like this and weren't simply getting lucky. You see this proficiency earlier in the movie too, at the drive-in shootout and indeed right off the drop at the truck heist.

Den of Thieves has the robbers demonstrate similar proficiency and a textbook bounding overwatch drill in the highway shootout, but it's almost too clean and them calling out "moving"/"shooting" kinda cheapens it.

Matter of fact maybe the most unbelievable shootouts are in The Town, where no effort is really made to show they're doing things 'by the book', yet they make it out mostly unscathed except when the one guy doesn't want to. That movie still rules though.

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Gross. I thought I hated the Eagles enough before (for ripping off Jethro Tull).

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Earwicker posted:

wait what?

i like a couple of old jethro tull albums (aqualung and thick as a brick) and i hate the eagles but its because their music is boring af. never heard anything by them that sounds even remotely like jethro tull.

It's admittedly actually kind of a flimsy connection, but IIRC they used to tour with Tull and it's generally accepted that Hotel California rips off We Used To Know. You can't really claim a chord progression though, I can't remember if there was more to it than that.

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Tombstone is great, the ending is kinda sappy typical 90s, but I love it because it's just two hours of cowboys being fucken HARSH at each other.

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