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OpenVMS 9.2 for x86-64 is now available both commercially and for hobbyists and runs on at least Sandy Bridge and later via VMware, VirtualBox, and KVM it’s pretty neat, but… it’s pretty shameful that it wants 6GB of RAM minimum, two 4GB or larger disks, and preferably two or more CPUs when OpenVMS 7.3 runs great on VAX with only 24MB of RAM and a couple hundred megabytes of disk, and OpenVMS 8.4 runs beautifully on Alpha with a couple hundred megabytes of RAM and a gigabyte of disk anyway everybody should install VMS one way or another (OpenVMS 7.3 on SIMH works great) and set up a gooncluster via tunneled DECnet
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eschaton posted:it’s pretty shameful
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Apr 12, 2023 10:50
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in 6GB I could run an emulated VAXcluster with something like 8 emulated 512MB VAXen with SIMH
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Apr 12, 2023 11:00
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eschaton posted:in 6GB I could run an emulated VAXcluster with something like 8 emulated 512MB VAXen with SIMH so do that. add "9.2" in the motd and the experience will be complete. it will be precisely as useful as the real thing too.
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Apr 12, 2023 11:07
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well, why does it need so much ram?
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Apr 12, 2023 12:53
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really scrambling for a way to get vms onto your 4gig ram sandy bridge servers huh? seems like this should either be some archaeology thread where we're appreciating old garbage (in which case just stick with the *actual* old thing), or it is a claim of relevance, in which case these system requirements are obviously so slim as to be trivial.
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op this looks pretty good but I don’t think it will run the janky 2012 pc port of dark souls that I’m currently playing so I think it’s a pass for me
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Apr 12, 2023 13:25
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real question what is the possible commercial use for this
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i assume there's a bunch of vms servers out there doing important work that'll now get to go on vm's
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i assume there's a bunch of vms servers out there doing important work that'll now get to go on vm's it’s this at least once VSI finally finishes the COBOL and BASIC compilers I think they didn’t even bother with porting BLISS 
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is there an arm64 option?
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Apr 15, 2023 20:24
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what kind of software would be neat to run on OpenVMS?
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Apr 15, 2023 23:26
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:what kind of software would be neat to run on OpenVMS? BLISS.SAV
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:what kind of software would be neat to run on OpenVMS? windows emulator
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Apr 15, 2023 23:34
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I've got a cheap VPS at a local data centre and they offer backups and a checkpoint/restore feature on their web admin panel but apparently they can't provide me a downloadable snapshot of the backup so I can run it locally, which is a pain in the rear end. Is there any way to clone a Linux while its running, other than manual fuckery with copying and fstab? A tool would be useful. Especially if it could send it to an s3 bucket or something
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Apr 15, 2023 23:59
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SpaceAceJase posted:I've got a cheap VPS at a local data centre and they offer backups and a checkpoint/restore feature on their web admin panel but apparently they can't provide me a downloadable snapshot of the backup so I can run it locally, which is a pain in the rear end. I think you’re lost.
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akadajet posted:I think you’re lost. No comrade, my OS is a POS
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this is one of those things that seems like cool computer history but in reality exists solely to run the equivalent of quick books 1966 and generate a monthly report isn’t it
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if VMS was better, Cutler wouldn't have left to make NT and now we have microsoft teams to show for it in conclusion, yospos Geebs fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Bloody posted:this is one of those things that seems like cool computer history but in reality exists solely to run the equivalent of quick books 1966 and generate a monthly report isn’t it whoa don’t forget running GCC 2.95 more quickbooks 1986, my PDP-11 runs quickbooks 1966
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Apr 18, 2023 09:14
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OpenVMS 9.2 for x86, Getting Started part 2, auto boot, licenses, PAKs, networking and SSH OS/360 vibes
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Tankakern posted:OpenVMS 9.2 for x86, Getting Started part 2, auto boot, licenses, PAKs, networking and SSH uh, not really? IBM, Control Data, Univac, Burroughs, and Digital Equipment all had fairly different OS styles; interestingly, Hewlett-Packard (and therefore Tandem) are rather IBM-esque except where they’re DEC-esque
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Tankakern posted:OpenVMS 9.2 for x86, Getting Started part 2, auto boot, licenses, PAKs, networking and SSH i get where youre coming from, but nah, not really VMS is a lot more like a modern text mode fullscreen os in that it contains a file system , text editors, and the IP stack is kinda sorta integrated into the kernel. os/360 -> MVS -> z/OS pre dates literally all modern concepts of what an os provides beyond task scheduling and memory management, and you can trace where the memory stuff was tacked on if you look at how the memory model really works. i need to get on that hobbyist VMS tho its baller
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fresh_cheese posted:i get where youre coming from, but nah, not really z/os uss is such a quirky thing, like they try to provide a unix environment where you can't tell the difference but as soon as you push on just about anything the batch-and-dataset underpinnings show up
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every time i try to read about old mainframe stuff it instantly turns into mirrors reflecting in mirrors and an endless sea of three letter acronyms. "to create a new DTL open a CMV and clone the KFO from the PLX", and trying to find out what any of that means is impossible because the documentation is burn-before-reading top-secret and nobody will tell you anything because they get paid six figures to know things other people don't. also everything is weird as hell - like the OS having no concept of a "file", or running an entire other OS inside it
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carry on then posted:z/os uss is such a quirky thing, like they try to provide a unix environment where you can't tell the difference but as soon as you push on just about anything the batch-and-dataset underpinnings show up having code:actually do the needful is effing magic
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Sweevo posted:every time i try to read about old mainframe stuff it instantly turns into mirrors reflecting in mirrors and an endless sea of three letter acronyms. "to create a new DTL open a CMV and clone the KFO from the PLX", and trying to find out what any of that means is impossible because the documentation is burn-before-reading top-secret and nobody will tell you anything because they get paid six figures to know things other people don't. also everything is weird as hell - like the OS having no concept of a "file", or running an entire other OS inside it there was a yospos thread years ago where someone got system 370 up and running in Hercules, that one was a saga as i recall
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there's a youtube video about a kid who bought a zSystem and had to deal with all that bullshit - no documentation, nobody wanting to tell him anything, hardware being in the machine but disabled by the software licence he had, and the un-skippable 30-minute splash screen every time you switched it on
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Sweevo posted:there's a youtube video about a kid who bought a zSystem and had to deal with all that bullshit - no documentation, nobody wanting to tell him anything, hardware being in the machine but disabled by the software licence he had, and the un-skippable 30-minute splash screen every time you switched it on thats not a splash screen thats how long it took the laptop to finish loading all the poo poo it runs. its still like that with current gen hardware because software always grows to fill hardware just like anywhere else.
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