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Chad Sexington posted:Good thing players will never do another Olympics. I like to think the cat already had a name for many years and it just changed after that night.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I'd be a lot more suspicious if Stone had ever played a full season but that man is definitely made of glass no he's made of stone, c'mon
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Eric the Mauve posted:Or, I know this sounds crazy, just hear me out here, maybe teams should still have to be cap compliant in the playoffs? The salary cap is dumb as poo poo and the LTIR shenanigans proves it
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Jun 16, 2023 21:59
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Arivia posted:no he's made of stone, c'mon Glass is a stone.
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Jun 16, 2023 22:10
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Abolish the cap, keep the floor
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The cap isn’t for parity, it’s to ensure the owners remain highly profitable and protect themselves. Sorry if you thought they all cared about an equitable hockey experience for you outside of selling you tickets/jerseys/$25 dollar craft beers.
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Jun 16, 2023 22:56
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Cap sucks poo poo. Funny that in 03-04, Forsberg and Jagr were making $11m a year. While there is a handful of players who make more than this, it is still considered a high price for players. 20 years later! I also hate that I have to think about what players make.
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It's weird for me. On one hand it saved the Rangers from themselves. Like they gave Holik that terrible contract and then the strike/cap came and forced them to at least try to draft ok. On the other hand it's anti labor and I hate it. It needs to go or just become a guideline like other sports.
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FunOne posted:I've been impressed with the effect that building rinks in CA, AZ, TX, FL, NC, etc has been for growing the sport since I was a kid. I grew up in Texas playing roller hockey on the street on occasion, but didn't know anything about hockey except the might ducks and catching a bit of a game here and there on TV. Yeah it's cool, now put teams back in Houston and San Antonio, you fuckers 
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i like the cap better than the alternative, but the players should get way more revenue. i don't want a Euro style system with a couple of super teams passing the title between themselves while kicking the poo poo out of everyone else. i like that Winnipeg and Buffalo could win it (in theory). and I say this as a Rangers fan. also there should be no owners and all teams should be run like the Packers.
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Good soup! posted:Yeah it's cool, now put teams back in Houston and San Antonio, you fuckers it's a goddamn crime
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Shinjobi posted:it's a goddamn crime I'm still stunned the league keeps playing loving games with a market like Houston lol Rampage games were entertaining as hell and that short-lived Aeros/Rampage/Stars rivalry ruled, the gently caress is the NHL thinking with letting that poo poo disappear
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:i like the cap better than the alternative, but the players should get way more revenue. i don't want a Euro style system with a couple of super teams passing the title between themselves while kicking the poo poo out of everyone else. i like that Winnipeg and Buffalo could win it (in theory). and I say this as a Rangers fan. also there should be no owners and all teams should be run like the Packers. I, too, endorse the implementation of 50%+1 in hockey
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Arivia posted:no he's made of stone, c'mon Jamie Benn must be made of paper
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Escape Goat posted:Jamie Benn must be made of paper no he's made of rice
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The cap exists to squash wages and enrich owners. Closing the LTIR loophole also hurts players wages and it's why your haven't seen any push from their side to close it.
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Sports that don't have salary caps suck poo poo. Premier league literally has maybe 2-4 teams actually trying to win a championship out of 20. The top team by payroll is 233 MM pounds and the bottom is at 20MM (!!). MLB is only a bit better at $344 MM for the Mets and 60$ MM for the A's. Why would you follow a sport where you know on opening day that not only does your team have zero shot at winning a title this year but that you have zero shot of winning a title forever until the current owner of the team dies. The fact that the Mets suck despite three hundred forty four million dollars is amusing but the point is the Oakland A's are not worth watching. I suppose you could make the salary floor be like 80% of whatever last year's top spending team was. But that probably wouldn't be financially sustainable for teams that aren't in New York or LA.
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Imagine using the Mets as an example on no salary cap being bad? Lmao
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Imagine not find joy and laughter at the Mets and ManU eating absolute poo poo while spending unlimited money? No, it's important we protect the owners pocketbooks in their publicly funded arenas in the name of PaRiTY
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DancingMachine posted:
The Oilers and Leafs exist, my dude.
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Baseball is a very different animal from European soccer because MLB is barreling toward putting half the teams in the league in the playoffs, and in baseball playoff outcomes are pretty much random, so fans of every team except the few that aren't even pretending to try can dream of a title. Whereas in the Premier League there are no playoffs, plus the relegation system and the "Financial Fair Play" system make certain the smaller clubs stay smaller, so unless a major sheikh happens to buy your team and pour money into it for years, no team besides the Manchesters, Liverpool, and the big London teams will ever win the title apart from the once-a-century lightning strike like Leicester back 8 years ago or whatever it was.
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DancingMachine posted:Why would you follow a sport where you know on opening day that not only does your team have zero shot at winning a title this year but that you have zero shot of winning a title forever until the current owner of the team dies. I'm already a Canucks' fan
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Jhet posted:This is the problem with casual fans like Vegas. They aren't casual, just new They first watched hockey 6 years ago and he hasn't hosed VGK yet. It's just not enough history. EDIT: I poo poo you now a pile of fans were super surprised to find that hockey is awesome and asking how they missed this forever. I have a pile of friends that didn't used to watch any sports now only watch hockey. It's definitely grown here. Cartoon Man posted:Is anybody from the Vegas Knights going on a wild drunken spree like the Caps did? I think Oshie did a drunken keg stand on the cup and bent the gently caress out of it and they won’t let players do that anymore. I haven't checked local news in the last couple days but I know that each nights for the first 2 nights after they won they had the cup and a pile of VGK players in a different club each night and looked like they were hitting it pretty hard. Also they all shaved. I saw a number of candids of which usually had very drunk looking fans and VGK players. And showgirls. and Tiesto. For some reason.
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Yeah, you win the Cup in Vegas and you get to party with Tiesto. It’s an NHL rule.
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The hard cap isn't without its faults but I do like that it's all but impossible to buy a championship in hockey like you can in pretty much every other sport. You can't assemble a free agent NBA superteam like the Heat of the 10s. Winning a cup is more like the Warriors in that it takes careful and considered management to build a good core and then supplement it. You can't rely on just spending three times as much as anyone else and buying yourself legitimacy. There are high profile failures of expensive teams falling short in every sport and that's usually pretty funny, but there's sadly as many examples of popular teams splashing out on a bunch of prominent free agents and buying themselves a championship. The Lakers faded into irrelevance and, rather than be forced to earn back their reputation, they just signed LeBron and traded for Davis and it worked. The Yankees employ that strategy pretty successfully once or twice a decade. It's practically the only viable way to success in soccer now, just look at City winning the treble on the strength of having unlimited money. I can't think of the last cup winning team I thought "this management team did not earn that." Not since the lockout probably and that's pretty cool. The closest is Tampa cheating the hell out of LTIR for Kucherov, but at least he was a guy they'd drafted and developed and not a hired gun. It typically takes three to ten years for a good core to hit their stride and winn a cup. There's no basement to champs in hockey. The cap has a lot of drawbacks, but at least it makes it apparent which teams are well-managed and deserving of their success (or in the case of my team, very much the latter). ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jun 17, 2023 |
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BitBasher posted:They aren't casual, just new They first watched hockey 6 years ago and he hasn't hosed VGK yet. It's just not enough history. Hey, I started watching hockey during the Misfits run, and I know enough to boo Bettman
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tarbrush posted:Hey, I started watching hockey during the Misfits run, and I know enough to boo Bettman Then you know you’re not included in my sarcastic comment. Hockey fans learn quickly, but I’m not enjoying the training wheels here with Kraken fans. I hope most people would know well enough to boo Bettman like they know to boo the zebras.
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Why would Vegas fans boo Bettman? The guy gift wrapped them an instant contender that quickly won a cup.
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ThinkTank posted:Why would Vegas fans boo Bettman? The guy gift wrapped them an instant contender that quickly won a cup. Ah yes the Vegas entry draft team, a team widely considered instant contenders
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ThinkTank posted:Why would Vegas fans boo Bettman? The guy gift wrapped them an instant contender that quickly won a cup. You can acknowledge that the league has generally been kind to Vegas while still being mad for the various reffing/safety/Arizona debacles.
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WeaponX posted:Ah yes the Vegas entry draft team, a team widely considered instant contenders That dramatically loosened the expansion draft rules specially so Vegas wouldn't have to go through the decade of darkness that Columbus, Nashville and Minnesota did. It worked.
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ThinkTank posted:That dramatically loosened the expansion draft rules specially so Vegas wouldn't have to go through the decade of darkness that Columbus, Nashville and Minnesota did. It worked. The expansion draft didn’t lead to a decade of darkness in Minnesota. It could have been a lot better, but they still managed some good hockey, a reasonable amount of playoff appearances, and sell out crowds for almost a decade straight. Plus a conference finals appearance in 2003 (where they played like poo poo). Columbus should have a bone to pick maybe.
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Didn't somebody pull a bunch of quotes from the expansion draft thread showing a bunch of super-genius hockey fans saying that the team was poo poo?
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Mr. Kite posted:Didn't somebody pull a bunch of quotes from the expansion draft thread showing a bunch of super-genius hockey fans saying that the team was poo poo? Literally everyone including the media and the analytics guys etc, literally everyone, thought Vegas looked god awful and left a ton of good players and value on the table at the expansion draft. Realistically they probably did, even if they turned out ok. And yes I'm one of those quotes lol Seattle did the same and ended up good. It's more of an indictment of how bad and unambitious the rest of the leagues management teams are imo
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I need to go back and read who people thought Vegas should have taken. The Kraken one was interesting where they had five or six picks who they straight up cut before the season, which just seems insane. But can distract you from all the stuff they got right.
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tarbrush posted:I need to go back and read who people thought Vegas should have taken. I still maintain that they only got it half right from the expansion draft. They left a lot of holes, let a lot of player capital disappear without return, and then had to fill holes in year 2 without much to trade. They traded as much as they had left in year 1, but it wasn’t much. They’re doing to be riding Vince Dunn in the first pairing for a while I expect, and his positional defensive play is driving me up the wall. Francis clearly wants to do this via drafting talent, but they’re going to find that the 2nd half of the first round isn’t as fun as the first half.
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I think the key difference is the panic draft picks that Vegas managed to extort and the Kraken, through no fault of their own, couldn't.
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DancingMachine posted:Sports that don't have salary caps suck poo poo. Premier league literally has maybe 2-4 teams actually trying to win a championship out of 20. The top team by payroll is 233 MM pounds and the bottom is at 20MM (!!). MLB is only a bit better at $344 MM for the Mets and 60$ MM for the A's. Leicester City won the prem like 6 years ago. I don't think your point works the way you're thinking it does.
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