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rex rabidorum vires posted:Leicester City won the prem like 6 years ago. I don't think your point works the way you're thinking it does. And because they did lost all their best players (except Jamie Vardy lol) to better clubs and just got relegated. Football's economic system punished them heavily for a fairytale season rather than let them build on it (also their owner died in a helicopter crash in their stadium's parking lot that didn't help either).
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ThinkTank posted:The hard cap isn't without its faults but I do like that it's all but impossible to buy a championship in hockey like you can in pretty much every other sport. You can't assemble a free agent NBA superteam like the Heat of the 10s. Winning a cup is more like the Warriors in that it takes careful and considered management to build a good core and then supplement it. You can't rely on just spending three times as much as anyone else and buying yourself legitimacy. Free agency pre cap was kinda funny though. Watching the Rangers sign every washed up star ruled. Detroit having a team win a cup with like nine hall of famers not so much though.
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In modern times getting to start with a completely squeaky clean cap sheet is at least as big an advantage as the more generous expansion draft rules. Also Vegas and Seattle have both been benefiting from friendly officiating. Which is shocking because it's smart business to do that and since when has Bettman done anything smart e: Ginette Reno posted:Free agency pre cap was kinda funny though. Watching the Rangers sign every washed up star ruled. Detroit having a team win a cup with like nine hall of famers not so much though. The 2002 Wings had nine yeah. It'll be ten when Datsyuk goes in, he was a rookie on that team. Literally half their 20-man team. e2: I guess Datsyuk probably won't go in, his career was shorter than I remember and he never led the league in anything except plus-minus in 2008. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jun 17, 2023 |
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Ginette Reno posted:Free agency pre cap was kinda funny though. Watching the Rangers sign every washed up star ruled. Detroit having a team win a cup with like nine hall of famers not so much though. Watching my childhood hero Paul Kariya sign with the hated Avalanche for $1m so he could join Selanne and cheat to a cup while the Canucks signed Magnus Arvedson instead sure sucked. The cap fixed that sorta.
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tarbrush posted:I think the key difference is the panic draft picks that Vegas managed to extort and the Kraken, through no fault of their own, couldn't. Philly paid Arizona to take Gostisbehere they day after the draft.
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tarbrush posted:I need to go back and read who people thought Vegas should have taken. i still think the right plan for a new team is to just avoid money. if you can get a good player on a reasonable contract sure go for it but if your choice is max domi or selecting and then cutting whatever a gavin bayreuther is then you should go for gavin bayreuther. you can get way better value from the 5m of cap space you'd be giving up if you take domi looking back at seattle their only real misses were pitlick over bunting from arizona, doonskoi over compher from colorado (altho i think there was some consideration in this one? not sure) and driedger over montour from florida. everything else was pretty inconsequential
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rex rabidorum vires posted:Leicester City won the prem like 6 years ago. I don't think your point works the way you're thinking it does. England going back 10 years Manchester City FC Manchester City FC Manchester City FC Liverpool FC Manchester City FC Manchester City FC Chelsea FC Leicester City FC Chelsea FC Manchester City FC Spain FC Barcelona Real Madrid CF Club Atlético de Madrid Real Madrid CF FC Barcelona FC Barcelona Real Madrid CF FC Barcelona FC Barcelona Club Atlético de Madrid Netherlands Feyenoord Rotterdam AFC Ajax AFC Ajax n/a AFC Ajax PSV Eindhoven Feyenoord Rotterdam PSV Eindhoven PSV Eindhoven AFC Ajax Italy S.S.C Napoli AC Milan FC Internazionale Milano Juventus FC Juventus FC Juventus FC Juventus FC Juventus FC Juventus FC Juventus FC Germany FC Bayern München FC Bayern München FC Bayern München FC Bayern München FC Bayern München FC Bayern München FC Bayern München FC Bayern München FC Bayern München FC Bayern München And in medium-sized countries there is often no competition Austria FC Red Bull Salzburg FC Red Bull Salzburg FC Red Bull Salzburg FC Red Bull Salzburg FC Red Bull Salzburg FC Red Bull Salzburg FC Red Bull Salzburg FC Red Bull Salzburg FC Red Bull Salzburg FC Red Bull Salzburg Bulgaria PFC Ludogorets Razgrad PFC Ludogorets Razgrad PFC Ludogorets Razgrad PFC Ludogorets Razgrad PFC Ludogorets Razgrad PFC Ludogorets Razgrad PFC Ludogorets Razgrad PFC Ludogorets Razgrad PFC Ludogorets Razgrad PFC Ludogorets Razgrad
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Eric the Mauve posted:In modern times getting to start with a completely squeaky clean cap sheet is at least as big an advantage as the more generous expansion draft rules. i would bet a large amount of money he will make the hall, very likely on the first ballot
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rex rabidorum vires posted:Leicester City won the prem like 6 years ago. I don't think your point works the way you're thinking it does. That was largely a fluke and they just got relegated.
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https://twitter.com/jessegranger_/status/1670291642115559425?s=46&t=QDcaS84hWNl_beuPjXOh5Q This is pretty loving sweet
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William Karlsson rules https://twitter.com/loganreever/status/1670291494803247108?s=20 https://twitter.com/loganreever/status/1670299165463810048?s=20
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That lady is probably a handler or something but c’mon you don’t try and grab the Mike from someone when he’s giving a speech at a cup parade. BAD FORM.
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Is there a transcript of that anywhere?
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Arivia posted:That lady is probably a handler or something but c’mon you don’t try and grab the Mike from someone when he’s giving a speech at a cup parade. BAD FORM. a random reddit comment suggests she's the president of the VGK foundation, though of course accuracy not guaranteed
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Number19 posted:https://twitter.com/jessegranger_/status/1670291642115559425?s=46&t=QDcaS84hWNl_beuPjXOh5Q Holy poo poo that rules lol
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Not sure if this is the right thread to post in but the Calder Cup is going to game 7 on Wednesday. Coachella Valley in their first year in the league have a chance to win it on home ice. I will be at the game and I am very excited
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a neat cape posted:Not sure if this is the right thread to post in but the Calder Cup is going to game 7 on Wednesday. Coachella Valley in their first year in the league have a chance to win it on home ice. I will be at the game and I am very excited that's awesome, hope you guys win. when the phantoms won in 2005, the crowd was insane, so a game 7 is going to be awesome no matter what
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https://twitter.com/sdpnsports/status/1671239062156345346?t=PYWWMo9K4a8vAxXf86UG-Q&s=19 Lol Leafs?
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Reading the prepared lines: aren't the leafs great?
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tarbrush posted:https://twitter.com/sdpnsports/status/1671239062156345346?t=PYWWMo9K4a8vAxXf86UG-Q&s=19 Lol Leafs.
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So he's Chief Keefe?
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Keefe's fine, no? Who's better on the market? Quenneville?
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Almost anyone Keefe is very bad
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He's 166-71-30. I know that's influenced by the talent around him, but that seems generally pretty good. If he wasn't in Toronto and won some playoff series I think he'd be looked at favourably. (Just want to point out I'm not trying to be contrary, just curious. Been reading too many internet arguments lately.)
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Yeah Bylsma had a great record with a star studded team but he was also a bad coach. Sometimes bad coaches get lucky enough to coach a super talented team for a while. But he is not really good at any aspect of coaching an NHL team. I don't mean to be TOO hard on the guy--doubtless he's a far better hockey coach than I am, and I am a better coach than Mike Johnston was. But that the Leafs keep bringing him back year after year and acting like getting the same result year after year is a total fluke is kind of amazing. Like Bylsma before him, when the Leafs finally fire him he'll go to some weak team and vindicate me by spectacularly crashing and burning. In fact it will probably be the Penguins. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Jun 21, 2023 |
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Spelling Mitsake posted:Keefe's fine, no? Who's better on the market? Quenneville? Yeah he's somewhere between adequate and good as a coach but a whole lot of people have gone Simmons-brained the past few years so of course he's gotta be the demon holding them back. e: the corollary to this is that he's not so good the team should be going out of their way to keep him, but it's not any great crime that he's still coach.
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Hand Knit posted:Yeah he's somewhere between adequate and good as a coach but a whole lot of people have gone Simmons-brained the past few years so of course he's gotta be the demon holding them back. Yeah, he's a whatever coach. There's like 5 coaches good enough to make a difference, 20 coaches that don't matter and 5 that suck. If you believe stuff you read about the Leafs online, they've had one of the best records in the league while simultaneously having a) a lovely coach, b) a GM that doesn't know what he's doing (who inherited a roster from a senile dude that didn't know what he was doing) and c) a roster that consists of 1 good player, 1 washed up star, 1 overrated winger that can't shoot, 1 floaty winger that should be traded for peanuts, the worst defenceman in the league, the worst goalies in the league and 13 other guys that are 4th line/3rd pairing fillers. Which would of course, make the Leafs the luckiest team in the history of the league.
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Sheldon Keefe has a worst playoff record than Randy Carlyle. Significantly better regular season win % but like.....that roster could probably play itself to 2nd or 3rd in the division. So yeah. Keefe is bad because he's easily out coached and out adjusted by Paul Maurice.
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I'm driving the Keefe Sucks bandwagon with the pedal to the metal over here, but I do feel the need to point out that the Panthers only outshot the Leafs once in the 5 game series. Then the Hurricanes became the first team ever to mostly dominate play while being swept. The Panthers' run was 97% Bob running like god.
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Who else can bring you that level of handshake line respect?
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pseudodragon posted:Yeah, he's a whatever coach. There's like 5 coaches good enough to make a difference, 20 coaches that don't matter and 5 that suck. Who would be those five good enough? I'm guessing Brind'Amour and Cassidy, but I also don't know why Cassidy lost the room in Boston. Maybe DeBoer? But he seems to do well for a couple of years and then fizzle. I like Boudreau as a person, he's a sweetie, but I don't think he's the best coach. I know the league is shifting from screamy jerks like Torts to friendlier teacher/mentors which is a good thing.
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Is Torts' coaching style with his players really "screamy jerk?" He's a contemptuous bastard to the media and other coaches but that's not the same thing. He'll freeze you the gently caress out if you don't lay down and block shots for him, but that again is not the same thing as screaming at you and belittling you. On the other side, Sullivan seems to be highly respected by his players (the ones he doesn't send to the doghouse anyway) but he was definitely prone to screaming at people (refs or players) his first couple years in Pittsburgh. He's mellowed out a lot since then. Whether that's causally related to the Pens' decline in success or just a coincidence is up to you. (After years of Bylsma and then Johnston a coach willing to verbally rip your head off is exactly what the Penguins needed at that time) Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Jun 22, 2023 |
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Eric the Mauve posted:Is Torts' coaching style with his players really "screamy jerk?" He's a contemptuous bastard to the media and other coaches but that's not the same thing. He'll freeze you the gently caress out if you don't lay down and block shots for him, but that again is not the same thing as screaming at you and belittling you. Other than his dumb poo poo like how he handled Provorov and his refusal to wear a gay pride warm up jersey (a big flaw to be clear), Torts has been decent in Philly. Most poo poo has reason behind it, basic principles , discipline, etc. He didn’t even overplay Vets just for grit or whatever. Torts has a shelf life, and he has obvious blind spots, but decent NHL coach yes. He’ll sometimes quip on player stuff, but he has been fairly good about not blatantly talking poo poo about players to the media. This is a low bar.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Is Torts' coaching style with his players really "screamy jerk?" He's a contemptuous bastard to the media and other coaches but that's not the same thing. He'll freeze you the gently caress out if you don't lay down and block shots for him, but that again is not the same thing as screaming at you and belittling you. Sullivan's main thing used to be yelling at the bench whenever they gave refs poo poo because he was all about just playing the game and not getting distracted but he's since dropped that and now he's the one yelling at the refs usually.
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Game 7 of the Calder Cup Finals is going to Overtime. gently caress My rear end
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Congrats ThinkTank on getting your wish. Go Birds.
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Pungry posted:Congrats ThinkTank on getting your wish. Go Birds. Hershey won it doesn't count
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