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Daks whole career is racking up fantasy stats in garbage time
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Also, something everyone needs to understand: The Cowboys Cannot Have Sustained Success under the Jones' Family Leadership. I've posted ad nauseum about how their contract management constantly clashes with their talent acquisition, and there are always news stories about what a distraction the entire operation is for football. In particular, we're entering that time of year when everyone bitches about "The Cap" and starts making GBS threads themselves about having to pay all of Dallas' Players. One other thing people need to understand: the Jones Family wants to make money > the Jones Family wants to win football games. First off, the Salary Cap is fake. Any team that wants to can restructure, rework, and reorganize to manage their cap, and still sign the Players they want. In fact, up to half the teams in a given season actually spend More Cash than the salary cap.. Why is this important? Because when you run a business, you don't spend money if it won't increase your capital returns. I strongly recommend everyone who wants to ignore all the previous links to read this: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1771297616850026678.html?utm_campaign=topunroll Dallas, as an organization was the only NFL franchise to report revenue of over one billion U.S. dollars.. They are, far and away, the most profitable organization in football. And yet, Dallas spends nearly the least in the league, every year on players. Dallas could, if it wanted, spend another $100,000,000 on players, and they don't. Why? Because they will earn $0.00 extra dollars in football revenue, if they do. The will Still Sell out the Stadium, still sell billions in merch and licensing fees, and still rake in their share of NFL revenues and TV money. If they instead, invest that $100,000,000 into And Oil and Gas Development they will see a return of Millions of Dollars. Not to mention the fact that the people who say they are in charge of the Cowboys Front Office have Zero NFL Executive Training or Experience, nor do they even have a college degree in business. And on top of trying to run an NFL franchise, they own, operate, and manage Literally Dozens of Million-to-Billion-Dollar companies. So when Jerry says, "It would be embarrassing, it would be shocking if you knew the size of the check I would write if it guaranteed me a Super Bowl," He is Lying. When they say they care about Football First, remember that they care about their Egos and their Money more. When I say "Dak can win a Superbowl" and"Dak is a Top 5 Quarterback, I'm also saying that he plays for an organization that puts Winning Last. A place where I'm not sure Anyone could ultimately be successful. When I say "The Cap is Fake" its because the Joneses love pushing that media narrative and raking in all the savings. So, yes I love Dak and CeeDee and Parsons, and I love rooting for my team. But if your opinion is that the reason a Franchise hasn't had success in 30 years is because an MVP-level quarterback has some secret, emotional quirk that prevents the entire organization from winning games on specific weeks in the winter, then IDK what to tell you. Enjoy your story, I guess.
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Mar 26, 2024 14:59
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Jerry jones is not telling Dak to throw the ball to the other team . Unless he is ??
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Mar 26, 2024 15:02
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euphronius posted:Jerry jones is not telling Dak to throw the ball to the other team . Look, I understand too much information makes your tummy hurt, and im sorry.
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Mar 26, 2024 15:03
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How does Jerry jones spending more money on football and less money on, say lawyers to defend him from sexual assault allegations, help dak to not throw the ball to the other team
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blarzgh posted:Post the link to the stat. I went and calculated it myself just now for Dak using https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/dallas-cowboys/results. In Dak's career: pre:Wins Loss Record Reg Rec 2 18 0.100 Playoff Rec 0 4 0.000 Career rec 2 22 0.083 Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Mar 26, 2024 |
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Mar 26, 2024 16:13
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lol
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Mar 26, 2024 16:14
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Literally the only qb stat that matter besides playoff wins is playoff turnovers
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Here's all the games and when Dallas was down 10+ in the 2nd. pre:2016 Win vs 49ers down 14-0 with 13:55 remaining. Reg Rec 1 0 1.000 Loss to Packers down 14-3 with 14:05 remaining in second Playoff Rec 0 1 0.000 2017 Loss to Broncos down 21-7 with 2:38 remaining in second Loss to Chargers down 16-0 with 2:46 remaining in second Reg Rec 0 2 0.000 2018 Loss to Panthers down 10-0 with 0:03 remaining in second Loss to Seahawks down 14-3 with 1:52 remaining Loss to Colts down 10-0 with 0:00 remaining Reg Rec 0 3 0.000 Loss to Rams down 20-7 with 3:27 remaining Playoff Rec 0 1 0.000 2019 Loss to Packers down 14-0 with 15:00 remaining Loss to Jets down 14-3 with 3:34 remaining Loss to Patriots down 10-0 with 12:46 remaining Loss to Bears down 17-7 with 0:10 remaining Reg Rec 0 4 0.000 2020 Win vs Falcons down 20-0 15:00 remaining Loss to Browns down 28-14 with 7:20 remaining Reg Rec 1 1 0.500 2021 Loss to Broncos down 13-0 with 12:13 remaining Loss to Chiefs down 16-3 with 14:48 remaining Loss to Raiders down 17-6 with 8:46 remaining Loss to Cardinals down 10-0 with 5:27 remaining Reg Rec 0 4 0.000 Loss to 49ers down 10-0 with 15:00 remaining Playoff Rec 0 1 0.000 2022 Loss to Washington down 13-0 with 12:38 remaining Reg Rec 0 1 0.000 2023 Loss to Cardinals down 15-3 with 12:31 remaining Loss to 49ers down 14-0 with 13:16 remaining Loss to Bills down 14-0 with 12:52 remaining Reg Rec 0 3 0.000 Loss to Packers down 14-0 with 14:15 remaining Playoff Rec 0 1 0.000 Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Mar 26, 2024 |
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Mar 26, 2024 16:20
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Basically, if Dallas is down 10+ in the second, you can turn off the game. Unless, of course, you're a sicko that hates dallas.
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Mar 26, 2024 16:21
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Mr. Nice! posted:Here's all the games and when Dallas was down 10+ in the 2nd. Doesn't even include the wild card loss this past postseason lol
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Mar 26, 2024 16:30
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We all agree dak is excellent at performing actions in the regular season that fantasy stats people celebrate
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Mar 26, 2024 16:31
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Hot Diggity! posted:Doesn't even include the wild card loss this past postseason lol That's the 2023 loss at the bottom. It happened in 2024 but was part of the 2023 season.
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Mar 26, 2024 16:31
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Dak has 41 losses in his career. In 62% of those losses, Dak is down 10+ at any point in the second.
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Mar 26, 2024 16:33
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Mr. Nice! posted:I went and calculated it myself just now for Dak using https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/dallas-cowboys/results. Wow! (But what's the base rate?)
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Mar 26, 2024 16:34
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It would be one thing if he was still coming off of his rookie season or something, but he isn't. At this point there is a book out on how to beat Dak Prescott and gosh darn it wouldn't you know it, it turns out good teams with good defensive coordinators but also the Cardinals have read that book.
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Mar 26, 2024 16:34
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Mr. Nice! posted:That's the 2023 loss at the bottom. It happened in 2024 but was part of the 2023 season. Ah, you've got the team wrong which is what threw me off.
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Mar 26, 2024 16:37
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Mr. Nice! posted:Dak has 41 losses in his career. In 62% of those losses, Dak is down 10+ at any point in the second. What's the rate compared to the average QB though
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Mar 26, 2024 16:41
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Hot Diggity! posted:Ah, you've got the team wrong which is what threw me off. poo poo I fixed it. Harlock posted:What's the rate compared to the average QB though I dunno but Mahomes is like 0.580 when down 10+ at any point in the game. The whole point is to emphasize that Dak cannot come back from a large early deficit.
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Mar 26, 2024 16:44
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Mr. Nice! posted:Unless, of course, you're a sicko that hates dallas. Quiet Feet and I have names! 
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Mar 26, 2024 16:52
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Mr. Nice! posted:poo poo I fixed it. Mahomes isn’t human tho
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Mar 26, 2024 16:56
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I'm sorry I made an error. Those were just cowboy records in general since 2016. There were three games that Dallas lost that had other QBs starting. Dak is 2-18 in the regular season and 2-22 for his career. I updated my posts accordingly.
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Mar 26, 2024 17:10
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fartknocker posted:Quiet Feet and I have names! In all fairness it's a daunting task to list everyone who hates the Cowboys.
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Mar 26, 2024 17:18
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I didn't dig through everyone, but Eli Manning had four games where he overcame a 10+ point deficit in the second quarter from 2016-2018. Tony Romo had 4 between 2014-2015. I haven't dug deeper on those two, but there are definitely more.
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Mar 26, 2024 17:19
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Sure didn’t take long for the NFC East thread to reach peak offseason posting status.
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Eli Manning and Tony Romo: more clutch than Dak.
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Mar 26, 2024 17:45
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Eli is one of the best QBs ever so .. duh
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Mar 26, 2024 17:47
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Mr. Nice! posted:I didn't dig through everyone, but Eli Manning had four games where he overcame a 10+ point deficit in the second quarter from 2016-2018. I answered a slightly different question during the season on how often certain teams won when trailing by any amount at the half. A slight modification provides the following data for all teams trailing by 10 or more at half time from 2016-2023: code:This data is regular season only (so the games played is equal among teams), but if Dak is 2-18 over his career then he's worse than average. Though the top two teams will be greatly skewing the results. E: Whoops, was using the wrong denominator. So Dak is worse than average! Ayudo fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Mar 26, 2024 |
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Mar 26, 2024 17:49
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My data wasn't trailing 10+ at the half, though. It was at any point in the second quarter. Other QBs I've looked up have more total wins in this arena than Dak as well, although I haven't summed up the stats for anyone else conclusively to get a rate like I did for Dak. I'm going to have to tally up Romo because I think his rate is significantly higher than Dak's. When Dak is down by 10 points at any time in the second (including starting the second down 10+), he's losing the game. Clutch QBs, like Tony Romo and Eli Manning, can come back from that deficit.
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Mar 26, 2024 17:53
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Mr. Nice! posted:I went and calculated it myself just now for Dak using https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/dallas-cowboys/results. And what is every other starting QB in those situations
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blarzgh posted:And what is every other starting QB in those situations I haven't looked up others, but Eli, Romo, and Mahomes are all better. I'm going to look up Mark Sanchez next.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:03
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It’s not fair to compare to Mahomes who, while obv talented, has extra help that no one else does . Besides maybe Brady
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Mar 26, 2024 18:06
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Ayudo posted:I answered a slightly different question during the season on how often certain teams won when trailing by any amount at the half. Good work
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Mar 26, 2024 18:07
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The real skill of an NFL qb is not so much “not throwing interceptions” (tho that is the most valuable on field tangible thing they do) but their ability to be an anchor for a country wide marketing campaign.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:08
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Mr. Nice! posted:My data wasn't trailing 10+ at the half, though. It was at any point in the second quarter. Other QBs I've looked up have more total wins in this arena than Dak as well, although I haven't summed up the stats for anyone else conclusively to get a rate like I did for Dak. Yeah, we're using slightly different data sets. But, this was done using an old script in R, and I'm too lazy to match your data exactly. Plus, trailing at the half conforms to some in-game logic around halftime adjustments, etc. This way you aren't including games where weird poo poo happens late in the game that suddenly sets a team back by 10 points. Ultimately we're trying to compare a single player's stats to a base rate for all players, which I think this does. Ayudo fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Mar 26, 2024 |
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Ayudo posted:I answered a slightly different question during the season on how often certain teams won when trailing by any amount at the half. At .090, Dak is squarely in the median of teams at this. And further to my point @Mr.Nice, the difference between.100 and .090 is so miniscule as to be statistically insignificant. There is Mahomes at 30% and then everyone else.
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blarzgh posted:At .090, Dak is squarely in the median of teams at this. ok but you didn't claim he was the most median clutch quarterback... blarzgh posted:
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the sample is small enough that I'd want to know more about the Cowboys' second half performance in those games, especially defensively, before hanging it all on Dak. maybe he's no Mahomes/Burrow/Brady/etc but not many people are
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The only advanced stat I need is FTC.
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All this talk about Dak when he's gone anyways https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1772679857173860730?s=19
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