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Ornery and Hornery posted:How has Strange looked? Is he bad? Do the pats have a decent OL coach since Scar retired? He was very bad the first half of the season, got benched for a little bit, played better as the season progressed, but still nothing special so far. OL coach last year was.... Matt Patricia and they replaced him with Adrian Klemm, former OL guy who was coaching at Oregon.
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Metapod posted:Undervalue linebackers then wonder why the run defense is so bad Ornery and Hornery posted:… over the last ~7 years there’s never been more than like 4 solid defensive starters on the team at any given time… Positional relative value doesn’t really matter when most of the defensive players suck regardless of position.
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May 2, 2023 18:46
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Kalli posted:He was very bad the first half of the season, got benched for a little bit, played better as the season progressed, but still nothing special so far. I hate Matt Patricia
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May 2, 2023 18:46
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I hate Matt Patricia So Say We All
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Positional relative value doesn’t really matter when most of the defensive players suck regardless of position. Well yea, this is my point. Positional value doesn’t exist in a vacuum so saying “a good CB is more valuable than a good ILB” doesn’t really make sense as a general statement. It’s probably fair to say that finding a serviceable ILB is easier than finding a serviceable CB but that doesn’t imply that it’s bad to draft ILBs high.
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May 2, 2023 18:53
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Lol okay I'm sorry there's only 4 players worth rostering in your idl fantasy spot
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do any of those "draft capital" charts take trades for players into consideration, like do the Rams get a bonus for picking up Ramsey and Stafford and winning a Superbowl or do those picks not count cause they didn’t take rookies
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:you mean like this I love a chart that immediately devalues itself. If you look at the top 8 vs bottom 8 Top 8: 3 playoff teams, 3 teams drafting top 10 Bottom 8: 3 playoff teams, 3 teams drafting top 10/ Hmmmmmm, maybe this poo poo doesn’t mean anything
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Bird in a Blender posted:I love charts that prove they are worthless as soon as you look at them. KC just won Super Bowl, is on top of this chart. Checks out.
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May 2, 2023 19:11
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I hate Matt Patricia Everyone does
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I hate Matt Patricia I can't root for a team with a wide open multi-year superbowl window because of his lovely rear end
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Even Eagles fans can't appreciate him for the Super Bowl he handed them because now he's infected their team. And also he's a massive piece of poo poo in multiple ways.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I hate Matt Patricia Matt Patricia's mom account spotted
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May 2, 2023 20:34
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I don't get it are you saying that there's no one worth drafting to stop the run or the Seahawks just didn't go after them?
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Relentlessboredomm posted:I love a chart that immediately devalues itself. Jokes on you the seahawks were both a playoff team and drafting in the top 10
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May 2, 2023 20:43
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Metapod posted:Undervalue linebackers then wonder why the run defense is so bad don't draft one in the first round because they're probably gonna suck for at least a year or two. linebacker is drat near impossible to play the NFL because you're expected to stop the run and also provide pass coverage against guys who run a 4.3. like I supported the Roquan Smith extension because there's just not all that many guys who can do what he can do
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Just use all your draft picks on Hall of Famers every single year and you'll eventually win a few Super Bowls, I don't see what's that hard about this "drafting" thing.
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May 2, 2023 21:46
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John Schneider is Bo Duke There is no other John Schneider
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Mega64 posted:Just use all your draft picks on Hall of Famers every single year and you'll eventually win a few Super Bowls, I don't see what's that hard about this "drafting" thing. Thanks Kawa- wait you aren’t Kawalimus 
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I love- just flat out adore - the fact that all the sudden the Bengals have a stacked linebacker room after drat near a decade of it being a problem. ADG would be a perfectly serviceable starting linebacker but he has to hope for injuries to see the field. The 2020 draft class was so goddamn good.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Free safeties are criminally undervalued at the moment. I don't think so. The way I see it the league views starting caliber utility Free Safeties and take away the middle of the field ball coverage free safeties as very different commodities. Those coverage guys like Jessie Bates, Kevin Byard, and Marcus Williams still get paid big.
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The punter the Bengals drafted thought he was getting pranked: https://youtube.com/shorts/SZ-B6FxgJUs?feature=share
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May 2, 2023 22:54
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I like this Brad Holmes guy. https://twitter.com/burchie_kid/status/1653399563951112194?s=46&t=DcBXErlGIUJUj8quAgYfkQ
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May 2, 2023 23:04
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Counterpoint teams pass on talent we can all see and then they turn out awesome. Like drafting CEH over Tee Higgins which I'll never stop bitching about
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It seems like all the premiere pass rushers go in the like 8 to 15 range. Micah JJ TJ Aaron Donald etc etc etc. Seems like if you're one of the best dudes a dozen or so teams are going to find a reason not to draft you.
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CEH barely being relevant on the highest powered college offense of all time rushing against no one in the box drafting him that high I Would Never.
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I respect his confidence in his convictions but I still can’t stop reading all of Holmes’ post draft comments in Trump’s voice.
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Diva Cupcake posted:I like this Brad Holmes guy. Yeah that’s why GMs rarely draft badly
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kiimo posted:Counterpoint teams pass on talent we can all see and then they turn out awesome. And sometimes they pass on guys that everyone here is sure are talented and then those guys suck or have debilitating medical issues or whatever. Teams miss a lot and fans and draft experts also miss a lot. Everybody misses a lot.
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AndrewP posted:don't draft one in the first round because they're probably gonna suck for at least a year or two. linebacker is drat near impossible to play the NFL because you're expected to stop the run and also provide pass coverage against guys who run a 4.3. Roquan is really good he deserves his money
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Doltos posted:CEH barely being relevant on the highest powered college offense of all time rushing against no one in the box drafting him that high I Would Never. He was a big part of the reason they beat Bama. That game probably got both he and Najee Harris overdrafted.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:And sometimes they pass on guys that everyone here is sure are talented and then those guys suck or have debilitating medical issues or whatever. It just seems pretty condescending as if they're right all the time and then you get like 80% of fans screaming that DK Metcalf is a stud and all the GMs pass on him for two rounds because of a bad 3 cone drill and what do you know he's a loving stud
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YOLOsubmarine posted:He was a big part of the reason they beat https://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=122Bama. That game probably got both he and Najee Harris overdrafted. Let me be a hater
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GMs never miss, they always hit exactly where they aim
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Said it before I'll say it again. Teams should have to save their draft boards and release them to the public 10 years later. It's not going to give away any sort of competitive advantage but it would be hilarious to see where every franchise rated Jimmy Clausen or Tim Tebow or whatever.
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Then fans should have to as well. Excuse me while I tear up my mocks that had Geno Smith and Brady Quinn wayyyy too high
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kiimo posted:It just seems pretty condescending as if they're right all the time and then you get like 80% of fans screaming that DK Metcalf is a stud and all the GMs pass on him for two rounds because of a bad 3 cone drill and what do you know he's a loving stud I think where he says they have “all the information” is condescending as hell but the broader point that teams are operating with significantly more information than prognosticators who make mocks is definitely true. There’s clearly an information gap and it’s made worse bc teams intentionally lie to a lot of media types to manipulate it. And that information gap causes lots of bad feelings is definitely accurate as well. I would love to see what additional info teams have and how they weight it tho. They’ll never share it but that’d be super interesting
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kiimo posted:It just seems pretty condescending as if they're right all the time and then you get like 80% of fans screaming that DK Metcalf is a stud and all the GMs pass on him for two rounds because of a bad 3 cone drill and what do you know he's a loving stud Most of this forum loving hated DK because of the 3 cone drill, though.
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I watched the three cone drill live and commented how much I hated it too but then the internet tried to blame it on a slip which, horseshit, his 3 cone was bad before and after that tiny non-slip Turns out you don't need to run a three cone when you're a loving MOOSE going full speed down the sideline haha we took Mecole Hardman over that goddam centaur
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Remember in the 80s and 90s the workout warrior game was really coming into its own and to this day people are still being suckered by this poo poo. Lmao RAS more like rear end.
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