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MechanicalTomPetty posted:Frankly I'm amazed it took so long for this to kick in - I guess people figured the initial killing spree was a one-and-done so they were willing to give WB the benefit of the doubt? I think when Disney and Paramount started doing it too the writing should have been on the wall across the industry that this was the new normal and your work continues to exist period at the whim of a CEO that could change at any time based on what some accountant's spreadsheet says at the end of the fiscal quarter.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:Frankly I'm amazed it took so long for this to kick in - I guess people figured the initial killing spree was a one-and-done so they were willing to give WB the benefit of the doubt? It came up in another thread that Coyote vs. Acme was especially bad because it was truly pointless. Batgirl was at least rumored to be a mess in pre-screenings and a lot of other cancellations were niche projects that you could sort of justify or say that it wouldn't happen to your project. This was a project with a star attached to a strong IP (or lol if they managed to squander Looney Tunes) that apparently came in on-time and on-budget and was screening well. And they killed it. So that pissed a lot of creatives off.
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:It came up in another thread that Coyote vs. Acme was especially bad because it was truly pointless. Batgirl was at least rumored to be a mess in pre-screenings and a lot of other cancellations were niche projects that you could sort of justify or say that it wouldn't happen to your project. This was a project with a star attached to a strong IP (or lol if they managed to squander Looney Tunes) that apparently came in on-time and on-budget and was screening well. And they killed it. So that pissed a lot of creatives off. Not just "screening well" but like people were coming away raving about. The people in test screenings loving loved it. But nah, gently caress that. I need $30 mil.
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nine-gear crow posted:I think when Disney and Paramount started doing it too the writing should have been on the wall across the industry that this was the new normal and your work continues to exist period at the whim of a CEO that could change at any time based on what some accountant's spreadsheet says at the end of the fiscal quarter. When did paramount shelve a finished unreleased project?
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Emma Stone is having a loving ball doing all this promotion for The Curse. I know part of it is me being convinced by her brand and stuff, but it still makes me like her a lot.fart blood posted:When did paramount shelve a finished unreleased project? Spiderwick*, and I think the second season of Star Trek: Prodigy was fully completed before being shelved and then subsequently saved by Netflix. I swear there was something else as well though. *nope, whoops. It was scrapped at Disney, and I think it's heading to Paramount now? Edit: Oh, and A Murder At The End Of The World was originally a completed Showtime production called The Retreat before it was sold off to Disney (F/X). I assume if it hadn't been sold it would also have vanished. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Nov 18, 2023 |
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Nov 18, 2023 20:53
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Canceling a TV show and not airing completed episodes isn't something that was invented in 2023.
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Isn't there a finished season of Snow Piercer someone is sitting on for tax cheating?
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Khanstant posted:Isn't there a finished season of Snow Piercer someone is sitting on for tax cheating? Yeah it probably would have happened with the most recent season of Miracle Workers too but they messed up and accidentally released the first episode. Pinterest Mom posted:Canceling a TV show and not airing completed episodes isn't something that was invented in 2023. Most of the time they don't cancel a show that's already filmed an entire season that hasn't aired yet. Also there's the recent trend of unreleasing shows and movies.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Emma Stone is having a loving ball doing all this promotion for The Curse. I know part of it is me being convinced by her brand and stuff, but it still makes me like her a lot. I remember Spiderwick was kind of eyebrow-raising because they changed the ethnicities of the main characters to minorities so it looked really weird.
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They did that accidental showing thing with Killin It and I am glad. Honestly surprised there's nobody who just dumps a copy online somewhere. Maybe they have surprisingly good cybersecurity so nobody gets a peek at their shady algorithms and data gathering, plus biggest buyers in on anti piracy grifts.
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Yeah, back in the day you'd maybe shelve the last 2-3 episodes of a season (or more likely, burn them off in the summer or a death slot) and just not pick up a show for the back 9. Shooting an entire season and just chucking it in a lake is definitely new for the 2020s.
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, back in the day you'd maybe shelve the last 2-3 episodes of a season (or more likely, burn them off in the summer or a death slot) and just not pick up a show for the back 9. Shooting an entire season and just chucking it in a lake is definitely new for the 2020s. I mean, sometimes, but something like Wonderfalls in 2004, they filmed 13 episodes, aired four, and threw the rest into a lake. It happened.
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Didn't Firefly have some unreleased episodes, or were those just scripts?
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Soonmot posted:Didn't Firefly have some unreleased episodes, or were those just scripts? Yeah, but only a few. 11/14 produced episodes aired.
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Pinterest Mom posted:I mean, sometimes, but something like Wonderfalls in 2004, they filmed 13 episodes, aired four, and threw the rest into a lake. It happened. Yes but they aired it, which also led to international sales to distributors and a DVD release. The modern 'set fire to it before seeing light of day' tactic means that isn't even an option.
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Yeah the 2000s version was you'd hold something back and then, suddenly, you have extra spice to sell the DVDs. Then different studios stopped wanting to do that before this pre-emptive binning.
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Though-out TV history they’d do ‘movies of the week’ on summer nights when nobody watched tv and they’d show all kinds of crap they bought and didn’t want to use.
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Remulak posted:Though-out TV history they’d do ‘movies of the week’ on summer nights when nobody watched tv and they’d show all kinds of crap they bought and didn’t want to use. SyFy Channel used to do that all the time in the 00s and 10s. They'd dump all the pilots they'd commissioned and then passed on for series on Friday or Saturday nights as TV movies or miniseries.
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Soonmot posted:Didn't Firefly have some unreleased episodes, or were those just scripts? Did Firefly ever actually air the FIRST episode of the show?
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I worked on Nautilus (Captain Nemo adaptation) in 2022 and Disney canned that about three months ago. 10 month shoot, $200m budget, the sets are absolutely mind blowing it looks stunning. All just chucked in the bin. Sure I still got paid for everything, but to say it's disheartening is an understatement.
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tanglewood1420 posted:I worked on Nautilus (Captain Nemo adaptation) in 2022 and Disney canned that about three months ago. 10 month shoot, $200m budget, the sets are absolutely mind blowing it looks stunning. All just chucked in the bin. Sure I still got paid for everything, but to say it's disheartening is an understatement. That sucks. Are you still able to put this on a resume?
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tanglewood1420 posted:I worked on Nautilus (Captain Nemo adaptation) in 2022 and Disney canned that about three months ago. 10 month shoot, $200m budget, the sets are absolutely mind blowing it looks stunning. All just chucked in the bin. Sure I still got paid for everything, but to say it's disheartening is an understatement. Still loving sucks obviously but didn't it get picked up by another ... I don't know what we even call them anymore? Station? Channel? Service?
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But have you considered that somehow, somewhere, a line is going up for the shareholders this quarter?
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tanglewood1420 posted:I worked on Nautilus (Captain Nemo adaptation) in 2022 and Disney canned that about three months ago. 10 month shoot, $200m budget, the sets are absolutely mind blowing it looks stunning. All just chucked in the bin. Sure I still got paid for everything, but to say it's disheartening is an understatement.
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Jerusalem posted:Still loving sucks obviously but didn't it get picked up by another ... I don't know what we even call them anymore? Station? Channel? Service? There's talk of AMC picking it up in the US, but afaik it's not a done deal despite what you may read in the trades. Also no word on international distribution. External Organs posted:That sucks. Are you still able to put this on a resume? It won't go on my IMDB if it doesn't get a release but I'll still put it on my CV. If only to explain what the gently caress I was doing in 2022 lol. The community is small enough that everyone mostly knows who worked on which shows anyway. CVs are kinda redundant in the film industry.
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That sucks, sorry tangleweed, hoping it gets a release.
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Jerusalem posted:Did Firefly ever actually air the FIRST episode of the show? That, I remember, they did, it was just out of order, with the third episode or whatever the Train Job one airing first. I have the dvds, but drat if I'm getting out of bed to check lol
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The fact that entire tv shows get shelved tells me that streaming is a gigantic money loser and no one knows how to generate profit and viewership from it and studios are terrified investors will find out and collapse the whole thing
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fart blood posted:The fact that entire tv shows get shelved tells me that streaming is a gigantic money loser and no one knows how to generate profit and viewership from it and studios are terrified investors will find out and collapse the whole thing You'll notice that after the studios caved for everything else, WGA and SAG-AFTRA still can't look directly at the money streaming generates. Which definitely points in that direction
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And considering that’s getting into “potentially looking at decades in federal prison” territory, it’s no wonder they’re being cagier than a rabid jackal about it
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DarklyDreaming posted:You'll notice that after the studios caved for everything else, WGA and SAG-AFTRA still can't look directly at the money streaming generates. Which definitely points in that direction Yeah, that was one of the two fulcrums the strikes hinged on. WGA and SAG-AFTRA were like "we're terrified you're going to replace us all with AI" and AMPTP was like "we're terrified of actually revealing the data behind streaming" and were willing to give up basically everything to keep the inside baseball nerd numbers secret.
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Jerusalem posted:Did Firefly ever actually air the FIRST episode of the show? They aired it last.
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While he characterized Bateman as being “justly cautious about the future,” he also insisted that the deal’s rules around AI were “the most that could be achieved with a 118-day strike.” Well then looks like you need a longer strike!? The language around the AI stuff is so goddamn weaselly that the AMTP essentially gets to do whatever they want with only the most nominal compensation and consent from workers. I'm not sure what even is meant to be the difference between now and after the deal, it's a sucker's contract. They absolutely need to go back to the table and get a real deal with real terms that actually put some chains on AMTPs AI probing hands. Because next time actors want to strike, they'll load up scab.exe and produce shows uninterrupted without a single thought towards the obsolete non-digital humans.
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It’s in the guild’s voters’ hands now. Hopefully they do the right thing. I wonder if Crabtree and Drescher basically knew this would happen and would rather let the actors vote no then deal with studio bullshit again. But that would defy Occam’s Razor a bit.
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Yeah I figure they were probably exhausted and probably legitimately the least completely terrible deal they've had yet, but it's still completely terrible nonetheless. The AMTP and execs were laughing off the strike, they didn't really suffer any consequences or feel that much pressure.
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I have compassion for all the folks affected, but at thi point, gently caress it, just torpedo the entire 2024 entertainment calender.
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Khanstant posted:Yeah I figure they were probably exhausted and probably legitimately the least completely terrible deal they've had yet, but it's still completely terrible nonetheless. The AMTP and execs were laughing off the strike, they didn't really suffer any consequences or feel that much pressure. They were laughing publicly but privately they were running out of content that was in the can. They weren’t spending money on new content but a model like that is completely unsustainable and they knew that and so did the shareholders.
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