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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Beeftweeter posted:



to be entirely fair the article concludes that GPT generated stuff is not as good as an actual comedian, but it even hedges that

Imagine working in news and then writing this.

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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Happy Landfill posted:

Replace executives with AI

What do they actually do that a machine couldn't? They mostly just push what the algorithm "wants" onto their writers and production teams, surely they're the most useless part in a system that runs off AI?

Because it's of course not about that, it's about them.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Hollywood Reporter's been giving me an anti-strike vibe, but this piece is neat. Talks about the shifting role of showrunners and writers rooms, which has been covered, but also offers some commentary on the Director's Guild and such, and gossip about last minute rewrites and production issues on various shows.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Good. They're gonna need the help.

So disappointed that the director's guild didn't end up making a show for solidarity, and I was worried SAG would go the same way.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Just got back from Oppenheimer. Most I've liked a Nolan in ages. Also managed to catch a showing on film, which was very cool.

ANYWAY the relevant bit to this particular subforum is there's a *very* loving funny casting injoke involving the TV series Manhattan, which tickled me.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
https://deadline.com/2023/07/alien-alex-lawther-samuel-blenkin-cast-fx-series-production-no-sag-aftra-actors-strike-1235443713/

Does anyone know Noah Hawley's position re: the strike? He's directing here, and would have been involved in casting too.

One of these is the little socialist kid from Andor, which shouldn't matter as much but kinda stings a bit tbh.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Aren't they scabbing just by virtue of applying for the job, particularly when you've got actors like Alex Lawther and Essie Davis, neither of whom would have much difficulty getting work based on their CVs and awards history. Perhaps not quite as prestigious a role, but ho hum.

I guess it would depend on when they were cast, though actors are often cast only a couple of weeks before filming, so I dunno. I can't imagine they weren't aware that they'd be non-(SAG) union labour replacing striking actors.

I guess there's not quite enough information to go one way or the other here, but I can still see the case for them being scab labour.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Ahh, yeah -- and I totally get where you're coming from here, but how does the article define "well before"? A month? Three months? It's not defined. Also the wording there is finnicky, given that you could convincingly argue that the strike was also announced "well before" it actually began (on July 14). So the dates their contracts were signed becomes the determinant on the issue.

But given we'll probably never know that, it's probably not worth splitting hairs over. Fair enough.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Gaz-L posted:

Yes, the strike vote was made well before the deadline but the strike technically could've been called off right up until midnight on the 13th, so that's kind of a lovely standard to try and pull. You can't just stop looking for work for a month because a strike 'might' happen. Like, would you hold literally any other industry to that?

I mean, I'm trying to work it out here, but at this point I probably would hold other industries to a similar standard. e.g. if the French teacher's union is probably about to strike, I don't think it's fine for German teachers, under a separate German teacher's union, to apply for contracts working at French schools, particularly when still they're capable of getting work in their home country.

I'm not saying that these actors should swear off all work, particularly since they're not themselves part of striking unions, just that I believe that some of them, like Lawther and Davis, could have pursued less tendentious work instead. Of course now they're stuck in their contracts and have to fulfill them, I understand this, but they still chose to put themselves in postion such that they're outside labour coming in to work on an American company's prequel TV series for an American film, filming during a period that (a contract would stipulate) would ocurr simultaneously with when the American acting union would likely be engaging in a strike.

But of course this is dependent on just how long ago contracts were signed, and how aware they were about the situation when they signed them. But I think saying that they can't be scabs because their hands are currently tied ignores the issue that, at one point, they weren't obligated.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Teek posted:

From what I understand for why high viewership new shows still get cancelled, it’s usually because watchers don’t actually finish the shows. Meaning those viewers watch the first few episodes and then bail for whatever reason. So that means they can’t be counted on to be there for a season 2. So while show X may have amazing numbers, not enough are even bothering to watch through to the end.

Netflix viewing standards are more specifically insane than this -- they're critically interested in people who binge shows close to the release window.

So if you, I dunno, have a life or for some other weird reason don't want to watch eight to ten hours of a television show within 72 hours of it dropping, then your viewership is less meaningful.

It's something Neil Gaiman was talking about in terms of Sandman, but I've seen it pop up a lot of times before.

Edward Mass posted:

With regards to live-action Bebop, I think I read that the show went super over budget due to Cho breaking his leg and then COVID-19 happening. It's not that it wasn't a success, it's that it wasn't AS BIG a success as it needed to be to get renewed. At least, that was what I remember the official story being.

Yeah, didn't that effectively double their budget? I think I remember reading that somewhere.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Good for them.

But I'm concerned that the way PR is framing this is actively misleading, and gives the impression that, yeah, the studios that do most of the animating have unionized, and that Disney is actually a magnanimous employer.

But, yes, good for them.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Yeah, I'm not sure what Max is gonna look like a few years from now tbh. They say they're going all in on IP, but that doesn't strike me as a sustainable when their biggest "draw" is a slavish recreation of HP.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

fart blood posted:

If January is the start though, then they gotta get everyone back NOW.

That would be the sensible response, but I bet they think they can just have people film without (finalised) scripts. Consistent with their logic so far tbh.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

Ehh, someone can disagree with going on strike, so long as they respect the decision of the union and down tools when a strike is called. It's only scabbing that should have repercussions.

He broke ranks to promote work during the strike.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Vegetable posted:

It’s hard to say how much this diminishes the new requirements. The most obvious beneficiaries are the lone wolf writers like Taylor Sheridan.

https://deadline.com/2023/09/mike-white-taylor-sheridan-rule-showrunners-wga-deal-1235557877/

Or ones that are credited as such; I think there's been some insinuations online that Sheridan doesn't actually write all his scripts himself.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Emma Stone is having a loving ball doing all this promotion for The Curse. I know part of it is me being convinced by her brand and stuff, but it still makes me like her a lot.

fart blood posted:

When did paramount shelve a finished unreleased project?

Spiderwick*, and I think the second season of Star Trek: Prodigy was fully completed before being shelved and then subsequently saved by Netflix. I swear there was something else as well though.

*nope, whoops. It was scrapped at Disney, and I think it's heading to Paramount now?

Edit: Oh, and A Murder At The End Of The World was originally a completed Showtime production called The Retreat before it was sold off to Disney (F/X). I assume if it hadn't been sold it would also have vanished.

Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Nov 18, 2023

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

CelticPredator posted:

I think even avengers infinity war had actors act in front a blue screen not really telling them who they were interacting with

Yeah, Brie Larson specifically complained about this, though at the time she argued that it was out of a need to protect Endgame from being spoiled.

She's an excellent actor too, and it's terrible to see actors struggling in a sea of green or blue without anything to react to. (see also: Ian McKellan on The Hobbit)

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

theflyingexecutive posted:

Here's a perfectly legal thing that I've watched happen.

A very good actress who's been in and led some very high profile projects was cast as the #4 in a big tv show for 8 months of filming. In the middle of month 5, the studio replaces her with a different actress playing a somewhat different version of the same character. Spending five months in another state on a project your face will never be in absolutely hurts your future casting potential way more than making your smile 23% larger or whatever.

This Dune?

(Sisterhood or whatever it's called now)

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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

1st AD posted:

What messages exactly have been in Disney films?

I haven’t watched all the Disney releases this year but I watched all the marvel ones, the film they just released has 4 women leads and never once do they even remotely allude to anything related to women’s rights, feminism, or even anything political. It’s loving sanitized of any message about anything.

There was queer content cut from the film, so perhaps this is just a reference to a practice that's recently started motion.

Thought it's also possible that a film starring mostly women, mostly people of colour, like, that's considered a "message" film in and of itself. The "woke go broke" lot would probably consider it to be, so, like, maybe that's what Iger'a gesturing at.

It's all very vague, but I don't like it.

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