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In the biosphere thread over the past few weeks there has been back and forth discussion on the natalism. Rather than clog up that thread with the contending natalist and antinatalist viewpoints, we can have the discussion here. Personally, I don't find the natalist argument very compelling. "You can't fight a natural impulse" is idiotic considering how many natural impulses we overcome on a daily basis in addition to being an incoherent position once you examine natalism in the real world. "Antinatalism is malthusian/racist/genocide" similarly doesn't make any sense whatsoever once natalism's impact on the real world is examined. Like so many things, unrestricted natalism sounds good in theory but in practice leads to terrible outcomes for people everywhere. This isn't just speculation, but an observation based on the historical results of natalism as a policy. I could be wrong though. I'd be willing to listen to the counter arguments. You'll need to be very convincing though to make me think that a modern reestablishment of a Boer-controlled Natalia Republic or Natal Free State would do anything to improve our climate future. bedpan has issued a correction as of 00:06 on May 18, 2023 |
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Once again I am asking where is the Leftist Quiverfull movement??
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May 17, 2023 16:16
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Op, I'm sorry for you because you can't gently caress
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bedpan posted:I could be wrong though. I'd be willing to listen to the counter arguments. You'll need to be very convincing though to make me think that a modern reestablishment of a Boer-controlled Natalia Republic or Natal Free State would do anything to improve our climate future. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Benatar He really doesn't like those Boer republics!
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May 17, 2023 16:20
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just cant figure out why my philosophy that ends with the extinction of the human race isnt gaining traction with humans
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May 17, 2023 16:20
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being able to comfortably afford children is a class indicator
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May 17, 2023 16:24
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I don’t care about this pointless debate at all, but I’m glad there’s a containment thread now so I don’t have to read posts about it interrupting the pointless debate that does interest me.  Also KirbyKhan posted:Op, I'm sorry for you because you can't gently caress
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May 17, 2023 16:24
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Im the chad childless father and youre the virgin Pussy Toucher
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May 17, 2023 16:25
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child care is 2k a month where i live and we have no family to watch our kid easy decision
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May 17, 2023 16:29
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i had a coworker tell me that he and his wife had to spend her entire salary on daycare the first year of their kid's life
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that's too much lol
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May 17, 2023 16:30
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masturbatalism
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May 17, 2023 16:31
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The world is horrible and both my gf and I had a rough time coming up and we'd rather not put anyone through that.
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I’m having a kid this year and probably another one next year perhaps even a 3rd the following
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May 17, 2023 16:33
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lot of justifying individual choices in a thread purporting to be about a social philosophy
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May 17, 2023 16:34
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for every free state you dont have i'll have three
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May 17, 2023 16:35
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croup coughfield posted:lot of justifying individual choices in a thread purporting to be about a social philosophy didn't read the op sorry
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Cuttlefush posted:for every baby you dont have i'll have three exactly this triggered much goons????
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May 17, 2023 16:36
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SorePotato posted:being able to comfortably afford children is a class indicator worrying about the affordability of having children is a class indicator
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May 17, 2023 16:36
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Xaris posted:exactly this ??
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Onion Kelly cartoon with a school shooter standing in an empty classroom crying lady liberty behind him "Huh? Guess I'll just go home then" Anti-natalism guy looking through the window "Yes! hahaha! Yes!" Corner Kelly: School's out forever
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in the future we won't need children. you can gestate your sperm in a vat and in 5 months you have a fully grown 12 year old ready to move out and enter the workforce
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In 2007, average birth rates were right around 2 children per woman. By 2021, levels had dropped more than 20%, close to the lowest level in a century. antinatalism is gaining traction
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May 17, 2023 16:41
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Anti natalism seems to be inexorably winning across the globe in practical terms(below replacement fertility) even if the philosophy itself isn't very popular Granted probably not fast enough for people in doomer threads
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lmao
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May 17, 2023 16:45
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patiently explaining to the judge for the third time that im an anti-natalist, i think children are bad, and therefore its tyrannical for force me to support them
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I mean, I'm alright with kids generally, but humanity as a whole is a bitter disappointment and there being fewer of us around sounds fine.
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every anti-natalist sees themselves as Rust Cohle and the world sees them as r/childfree
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antinatalism as a personal choice is fine, not everybody needs to have kids and if for whatever reason you do not wish to have kids that is fine and you should be permitted to do that. perfectly valid choice. antinatalism as an overarching philosophy or god forbid governmental policy is bad and wrong. the extinction of the human race would be bad and i hope you can understand why most people would not be on board with that. pro natalism in the sense of encouraging people to give birth is probably not necessary given the earths resource constraints but certainly any worthwhile political project would make it as easy as possible for people to be parents - free childcare, free schools, free healthcare etc. free formula, legal protections for nursing mothers, you get the idea.
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:every anti-natalist sees themselves as Rust Cohle lmfao never considered this angle before
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also if you personally believe that humanity should go extinct or that literlly nothing can be done about a climate apocalypse then why do you even pay attention to politics, if i thought we only had like 10 good years left or whatever i would be out having fun, doing drugs, living the life not posting on somethingawful lol. what a grim way to spend ones final antediluvian moments.
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natalist horseshoe theory
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croup coughfield posted:lmfao never considered this angle before lemme introduce you to the world of "thomas ligotti fan meme accounts" on instagram
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I feel guilt at all the waste my baby generates
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:lemme introduce you to the world of "thomas ligotti fan meme accounts" on instagram lets see em
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croup coughfield posted:just cant figure out why my philosophy that ends with the extinction of the human race isnt gaining traction with humans Most Antinatalists aren't advocating for extinction, they're advocating for degrowth for a few generations
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:Most Antinatalists aren't advocating for extinction, they're advocating for degrowth for a few generations thats not the impression ive gotten reading the climate collapse thread
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busting raw just feels better, op
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:Most Antinatalists aren't advocating for extinction, they're advocating for degrowth for a few generations lol
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