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some anti eugenic natalist points forall you cool fellas out there reasons why kids are bad:
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May 19, 2023 20:17
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Cuttlefush posted:yeah whether or not that gets eugenics-y really depends on what someone's idea of "can sustain" means. if it's "a lot less than current" and you are thinking in terms of "we should do policy that aims for this lower number", welp or it just reveals what the person thinks is an acceptable standard of living. if you are an american you might have a skewed perception of what living comfortably means.
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May 19, 2023 20:18
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the number that needs to go down is consumption not population
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May 19, 2023 20:19
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what needs to go down... is capitalism
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May 19, 2023 20:21
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yeah. we need control over the means of production so we can actually direct it towards a sustainable future. the only people who can do that are the people who produce goods and services.
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May 19, 2023 20:22
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:i dont think its "obvious reality" that there aren't enough resources to sustain the current global population F Stop Fitzgerald posted:or it just reveals what the person thinks is an acceptable standard of living. if you are an american you might have a skewed perception of what living comfortably means. Putting aside what the planet can theoretically sustain in an optimistic future scenario where we don't destroy ourselves and have stabilized the biosphere, the momentum towards collapse that we've already baked into the system will force a resource crunch upon us no matter what. We can barge full steam ahead towards that catastrophe and wait for famines and droughts to reduce the human population, or some subset of us can make a conscious, voluntary choice to not reproduce and lower population pressures by some amount in the future. The latter sounds far preferable to me, and there's no need to force anyone to make that choice as again, simply empowering women to have bodily autonomy (something that is inarguably a good thing anyway) in our current world is sufficient to lower birth rates below replacement level. lobster shirt posted:the number that needs to go down is consumption not population Voluntarily reducing birth rates is not a replacement for destroying capitalism, it's just one of many ways we might help reduce suffering during the impending crises and hopeful destruction of capitalism. IMO gradually lowering global population might in fact hasten capital's destruction, as reducing the size of the labor force it will put additional downward pressure on the rate of profit. That is not the primary motivation but it seems like a nice ancillary benefit. bawfuls has issued a correction as of 20:37 on May 19, 2023 |
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May 19, 2023 20:31
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Here's an open question for the thread: Why do you want to have children? If you don't want to have children, why not?
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May 19, 2023 20:33
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Hubbert posted:Here's an open question for the thread: why do you want to have children? Apparently from skimming this thread: to prove they aren't goony goon goons who care about things
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May 19, 2023 20:34
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Hubbert posted:Here's an open question for the thread: why do you want to have children? somebody has to keep this forum going after we're gone
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May 19, 2023 20:34
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if kids didn't exist totk wouldn't exist. kids are officially based
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May 19, 2023 20:35
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4d3d3d posted:Apparently from skimming this thread: to prove they aren't goony goon goons who care about things Hubbert posted:Here's an open question for the thread: how are you two always this dumb
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May 19, 2023 20:40
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bawfuls posted:There are all sorts of resources we are consuming too quickly even beyond the CO2 we're pumping into the atmosphere. What standard of living do you consider acceptable, and are you sure the planet can sustain that with 8 billion+ people? we aren't over consuming because we are straining to house clothe and feed everyone, and we definitely aren't using the energy we do use towards it efficiently.
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May 19, 2023 20:43
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they sure aren't making of strong case for the doomsday thread
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May 19, 2023 20:43
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:we aren't over consuming because we are straining to house clothe and feed everyone, and we definitely aren't using the energy we do use towards it efficiently.
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May 19, 2023 20:46
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Me, looking at a graph showing exponential growth in energy consumption: "we aren't overconsuming"
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May 19, 2023 20:48
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bawfuls posted:There are all sorts of resources we are consuming too quickly even beyond the CO2 we're pumping into the atmosphere. What standard of living do you consider acceptable, and are you sure the planet can sustain that with 8 billion+ people? Why are you so sure it can't? The issue is that none of the basic resources people need to survive are distributed evenly.
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May 19, 2023 20:50
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have a kid or don't who gives a poo poo
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May 19, 2023 20:51
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Also what is this nonsense about bodily autonomy? Having a child is just another aspect of healthcare, everyone should have healthcare...
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May 19, 2023 20:51
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i dont think the problem is even doomposting. it's stupid rear end posters who can't read or think good. like kibbles just misread f stop's post completely to post a stupid quip what they have here is a failure to communicate
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May 19, 2023 20:51
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spacemang_spliff posted:have a kid or don't who gives a poo poo while I tend to be sympathetic to some AN arguments, at the end of the day yea this. Shits hosed either way.
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May 19, 2023 20:52
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bawfuls posted:I think it's reasonable for future generations to expect more than simply food clothing and shelter. Like say, modern medical technology, basic labor saving technologies like washing machines, etc. medicine goes without saying i hope but like in the US 2/3rds of all housing units are SFH and the vast majority of them have their own personal washing and drying units. its stupidly wasteful
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May 19, 2023 20:52
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bawfuls posted:I think it's reasonable for future generations to expect more than simply food clothing and shelter. Like say, modern medical technology, basic labor saving technologies like washing machines, etc. i always think about this. how much would reducing oil/NG output have an impact on essential stuff. our trade/output now is structure without that in mind. i feel like there would be significant sacrifices made if we actually tried to change things.
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May 19, 2023 20:53
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Cuttlefush posted:how are you two always this dumb Cuttlefush posted:i dont think the problem is even doomposting. it's stupid rear end posters who can't read or think good. like kibbles just misread f stop's post completely to post a stupid quip No worries, my dude. Let me know when you'd like to share your answer on my question.
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May 19, 2023 21:00
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Why are you so sure it can't? The issue is that none of the basic resources people need to survive are distributed evenly. Even if we distributed all of global food production today such that no one was ever malnourished, the land use required to produce that food is beyond sustainable limits. F Stop Fitzgerald posted:medicine goes without saying i hope but like in the US 2/3rds of all housing units are SFH and the vast majority of them have their own personal washing and drying units. its stupidly wasteful bawfuls has issued a correction as of 21:11 on May 19, 2023 |
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Cuttlefush posted:i dont think the problem is even doomposting. it's stupid rear end posters who can't read or think good. like kibbles just misread f stop's post completely to post a stupid quip My quip may have been stupid but I don't think I misread anybody, I was trying to mock the people who can't square the circle of sustaining our modern way of life while growing indefinitely which I don't think was anyone in this thread? Anyways sorry for being gauche, I'm a rusty poster.
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Hubbert posted:No worries, my dude. Let me know when you'd like to share your answer on my question. why are you even asking? it's not relevant. it's not even really good for figuring out who will or will not have kids. it's like asking people talking about universal healthcare whether they think they'll get cancer or not. Kibbles n Shits posted:My quip may have been stupid but I don't think I misread anybody, I was trying to mock the people who can't square the circle of sustaining our modern way of life while growing indefinitely which I don't think was anyone in this thread? Anyways sorry for being gauche, I'm a rusty poster. ah, did not consider you'd be doing that to mock people who aren't posting in the thread or probably in cspam Cuttlefush has issued a correction as of 21:16 on May 19, 2023 |
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May 19, 2023 21:13
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bawfuls posted:No poo poo, I'm not suggesting that a steady state target population requires everyone living in a SFH with their own washing machine and dryer. But likewise there's a lot more than food clothing and shelter that everyone can and should have. It's not just producing penicillin, insulin, and birth control, it's technically sophisticated machines like MRIs, or scopes which allow for arthroscopic surgeries etc, and all the ancillary technologies which enable their development and production. ok? my list wasn't exhaustive but not sure what that changes . i think everyone should have leisure time and dignity also
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Cuttlefush posted:ah, did not consider you'd be doing that to mock people who aren't posting in the thread or probably in cspam I didn't make it obvious, it's my fault. Re-reading it, it does looks I was addressing f-stop when I really wasn't. My bad f-stop Kibbles n Shits has issued a correction as of 21:20 on May 19, 2023 |
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May 19, 2023 21:18
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Kibbles n Shits posted:I didn't make it obvious, it's my fault. also my bad. today is my aggro day
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May 19, 2023 21:19
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tbf i also thought they only read the first three words and immediately tried to own me with no other information
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The only limits are those conceived of in the mind.
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May 19, 2023 21:21
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Makes me wonder how many times I've misinterpreted someone as dumb as myself and labelled them off as something they weren't.
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May 19, 2023 21:23
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I've changed my mind nobody should be alive anymore
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May 19, 2023 21:24
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Kibbles n Shits posted:Makes me wonder how many times I've misinterpreted someone as dumb as myself and labelled them off as something they weren't. i do it all the time but i also don't remember posters very well so unless it happens 10 times in a row i wont mislabel them for more than a few pages of a thread
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May 19, 2023 21:24
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:ok? my list wasn't exhaustive but not sure what that changes . i think everyone should have leisure time and dignity also
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May 19, 2023 21:35
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bawfuls posted:Your post gave me the impression you underestimate how much leisure time and dignity is enabled by somewhat energy intensive technologies. why are you so focused on "energy"
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May 19, 2023 21:53
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:why are you so focused on "energy" but also because it is our energy use that is most strongly driving CO2 emissions and even if we had a perfectly clean renewable energy system, thermodynamics puts a hard cap on the growth of energy use on the surface of a finite planet (and with the exponential growth demanded by capital, we're closer to this cap than you might think) in short, energy is the fungible unit of resource consumption bawfuls has issued a correction as of 22:05 on May 19, 2023 |
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