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PoundSand posted:Private schools and colleges I can vaguely understand because it’s essentially a service with customers nowadays, my wife is a state uni professor so I see what she has to deal with all the time in terms of “customer is right”mentality, but I don’t get why public schools are like this. A single angry parent can stir up a ton of poo poo over anything with just a couple of emails/phone calls. And that's before lawsuits.
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Mr. Grapes! posted:Parents Holy cow that’s bad. I had a not great manager who’d compulsively check her McMansions security cameras. No pets, wasn’t expecting a package, no recent break ins, just had the tool so was going to use it. That expanded to schools sounds nightmarish. Regarding the kids dropped off at a beach that is ridiculous. I’ve heard parents try that for hours at GameStop at the mall & get upset when security is contacted immediately for an abandoned child.
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Mr. Grapes! posted:- Being in a classroom alone with female students. Do you teach in like, Missouri or something?
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spacetoaster posted:A single angry parent can stir up a ton of poo poo over anything with just a couple of emails/phone calls. And that's before lawsuits. Yeah, one of my frenemies had an intense parent and the havoc they could cause if her precious son felt hurt. That kid was a spoilt prick, and a tremendous bully to anyone he thought he could get away with picking on. They once tried calling up my mom because her son was picking on a friend of mine, saying I said “gently caress Jew” (yes, “gently caress Jew”, specifically). My mom was startled at this because uh, I’m very much not antisemitic nor have I shown signs of any of that poo poo, and if I had, my mom would have raised holy hell. I informed my mom that I didn’t say “gently caress Jew”, I said “gently caress you” to her poo poo kid, and that the kid her son was bullying was also Jewish. Most of my friends were, my best friend was, most of the people we knew were Jewish. Turns out his mom didn’t know her son was bullying anyone and abruptly hung up the phone on my mom once she was informed of that key little detail. No response - just click. There are parents who cannot handle their poo poo kid being a poo poo kid, whether teachers or even other parents inform them of this fact. It reflects poorly on them, so better turn that reflection into a deflection. My mom was NOT the only parent who informed this woman about her lovely twerp son.
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Today you have to worry about a conservative activist group (not a parent, not a student, not someone who even lives in the loving state) picking out a book in your room they don't like and it leading to a fine and decertification. One of those books is Maus. Banned because of "pornography." I can't understand why these people would find a book about Nazi genocide sexually arousing.
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yea i read about the maus thing the excuse they came up with is there's a panel where you see a pile of bodies and one of them is naked. but very obviously its just an excuse, no one actually considers it "sexually arousing" they are just using any kind of wedge they can come up with to advance their cause. there's been similar poo poo going on with the diary of anne frank, for years.
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Two friends who are teaching, one is in an ok not great district & pre-covid had to deal with students bringing in vodka which I guess isn’t super uncommon. Post-pandemic began process of career change after a student hit her & the administrator response was “well it’s your word against theirs.” Second friend teaches math online for the state for students who for whatever reason are not able to attend in person school. Interestingly as her students were already all online pre-pandemic her job stayed about the same, as the environment for the kids didn’t drastically alter.
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spacetoaster posted:A single angry parent can stir up a ton of poo poo over anything with just a couple of emails/phone calls. And that's before lawsuits. The teacher I replaced at my first teaching assignment quit because a parent was taking the school to court. They were vague about that during the interview though.
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Greg Legg posted:The teacher I replaced at my first teaching assignment quit because a parent was taking the school to court. They were vague about that during the interview though. Yeah that's a loving red flag. Honestly if your Admin is remotely right wing or bougie at all get the gently caress out as well, School Admins are mostly insane narcissists from my experience, and will destroy your self esteem and make your work life hell. I have had 2 good admins over 7 positions, it's just loving awful. Thankfully my current one is amazing and loving gets it.
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School administrators are cowards. A colleague had a meeting with our boss today about kids using ChatGPT to write essays. The boss said that we cant prove it was cheating since we cant produce a source it was plagiarized from and that we should just grade the essay as if the kid wrote it. So kids are allowed to use chatGPT to generate essays now. Teaching loving sucks.
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:any european teachers check in? wondering how it compares to canada/ontario where it is a very good job  but i'm in higher ed, i don't deal with anyone who isn't a high school grad.
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May 30, 2023 19:37
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Oh also kids are allowed to curse now.
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WILDTURKEY101 posted:Oh also kids are allowed to curse now. One thing I loved about working at an after school program for primary school aged kids was kids learning how to curse and use “adult” words and totally not getting it. Yeah, you had to tell them no and to dissuade that type of behavior, but some of it was hilarious. Once had a kid scream the life alert commercial at me and then do this little twist jump when frustrated.
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Worked with a guy who taught for a year at the elementary level. The parents broke him. Is the private school scene any better at avoiding crazy parents banning things left and right? I would assume the parents who can afford to and care enough to send kids to private school are a little less insane when it comes to the Diary of Anne Frank. This is assuming the private school isn't religious.
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The funniest thing to me is 5 year olds saying: "Make sure to like and subscribe!" every time they do something or turn in work. I also had one who would stand by the road that runs next to the playground shoot the bird with both hands at every car that drove by.
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WILDTURKEY101 posted:Oh also kids are allowed to curse now. Decades ago in orchestra a student referred to Richard Dreyfuss’s new film as “Mr. Holland’s Anus,” and our usually strict teacher chuckled.
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spacetoaster posted:I also had one who would stand by the road that runs next to the playground shoot the bird with both hands at every car that drove by. knew my kid was out there somewhere
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Most of the good ones I know got sick of the abuse and went into some form of IT. I presently know one good teacher who still teaches, and they teach teenagers in Idaho.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Decades ago in orchestra a student referred to Richard Dreyfuss’s new film as “Mr. Holland’s Anus,” and our usually strict teacher chuckled. I had a gimmick account called that some years back when I was a much more ignorant man
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There's been at least one poster in this thread mentioning becoming a teacher from a previous career. Anyone else here become a teacher after their first/second/third/whatever career? Did that work out okay? I think about becoming a teacher time-to-time, and I'm in my mid/late-thirties.
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Mustached5thGrader posted:I had a gimmick account called that some years back when I was a much more ignorant man back in 4th grade?
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pizzapocketparty posted:There's been at least one poster in this thread mentioning becoming a teacher from a previous career. Anyone else here become a teacher after their first/second/third/whatever career? Did that work out okay? I think that was me. It seems like it's easier for me because my life is much more settled than a lot of the other elementary teachers. They're all early/mid 20's and going through getting their lives set up (marriage, having kids, housing, education, etc). Also it's easier for me to deal with admins, co-workers, and manage my time, etc because I've already navigated that world of a couple of decades in the career I retired from. Honestly it's a great job that is very low stress compared to what I used to do. The regulations, rules, policies, grading, testing, and other paperwork aren't very arduous either. But that can just be personality (and the fact I come in at like 0630 in the morning), I'm not someone who gets stressed easily. The kids are great and the parents are really happy to have a man because their kids won't be getting another male teacher until middle or high school. Also, coming in later in life can get you higher pay depending on your level of education. I'm at the highest pay tier because my previous career required graduate degrees and gave me free college after I left to get a higher level education degree.
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pizzapocketparty posted:There's been at least one poster in this thread mentioning becoming a teacher from a previous career. Anyone else here become a teacher after their first/second/third/whatever career? Did that work out okay? Yeah I did 20 years in offices before becoming a teacher. Going back to uni was a breeze, my life is pretty stable and employers, at least where I am (australia), love people that have some experience outside the school -> uni -> back to school as a teacher pipeline.
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I’ve thought about finishing my long dormant secondary education degree (which no longer exists as an undergraduate degree from what I understand) and going to teach high school history, but I can’t afford the $20k pay cut from pest control.
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Mr. Grapes! posted:My girlfriend is a teacher too and she had the real winner of parent-meetings, in that they brought her in to complain to her boss that my girlfriend was not literally sticking her finger up a kid's rear end to help him poop, because this is the only way he would poop at home and they demanded that she continue this at kindergarten.  What the gently caress is going on in American schools? Are you guys ok? Blink if you need help.
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The Bible posted:
they are being actively destroyed and replaced with charter schools and private education at the behest of a 30% "majority" of parents and two of the three branches of the Federal Government, op
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Yes, and during the civil rights movement there was an explosion of segregation academies and to this day these schools still exist so white parents can shield their children from the undesirables. In the south there are still towns all over where almost all the white kids go to the private school and everyone else goes to the lovely failing public school.
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Well... poo poo. Whatever. Keep paving the way for Asia, I guess. Kids here are smart as hell and super-driven to learn and succeed.
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teen witch posted:Same, I have the utmost respect for teachers because the parents are the real shitheels sometimes. Like there are absolutely garbage teachers, I can definitely make a few, but far more awful parents that are only hindering their kid. There are multiple kids who tell me their parents punish them if they do not receive 100% on the tests in the gifted program. These kids are doing work that is 1-2 years ahead of their own age group and their parents insist they are flawless. Many of them finish school and then they are forced into other things like tutoring, piano lessons, etc to make sure they do not have any free time in which to develop a personality. Then they go home and do several hours of homework and go to sleep, repeat. I am constantly harassed by parents of even very young children for not giving the 'standard' amount of homework they receive from other teachers. Other teachers at my school will give something like 20-30 minutes worth of homework per subject per night so you have 7 year olds with more than 2 hours worth of homework to do on top of staying in after school programs and also going to other organized activities after the school shuts its doors. I go out of my way to be maliciously compliant and give homework that requires the parents spend quality time with their kid. Like, "Go on a nature walk and find 4 different rocks and compare their properties" or "Build an insect 'motel' and see what kind of creatures you can attract into it out in your yard and take photos." Parents loving hate this because the correct kind of homework is a worksheet that the kid can quietly struggle through at the kitchen table while mom watches Netflix. Some parents blatantly do their children's homework themselves so their child can have a flawless homework record and that is good ammo for the Parental Bragging War that ensues when the gently caress These loving Teachers flame war subsides in their group chats. During online lessons in Covid we gave tests online while kids were on camera and there were dozens of idiot parents who think we can't see them on camera pointing out correct answers to their child. The slightly clever ones will be out of frame but kids are bad actors and you can always tell. Admin doesn't really care because high scores look good and high scores keep parents happy so why start an issue? They have eliminated recess at school. Most parents think this is a Good Thing because in recess kids can get their designer clothes dirty and they are wasting valuable learning time in which they could be studying for a test. Mr. Grapes! fucked around with this message at 01:19 on May 31, 2023 |
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Ville Valo posted:I taught Intro to C++ to high schoolers for one year. Never again. This was before smart phones too; but it was in a computer lab so similar distractions. Most of the kids enrolled because it counted as a math credit and they didn’t want to take Trig. They’d gently caress around on the PCs and then copy assignments from the one or two kids who were actually interested. Its only gotten worse with Ai. I tell my kids to not go to college if that is their plan. The structure of college makes it much much harder to do that poo poo. I had a 1 on 1 final where he could ask me anything and I had to do it on the board while explaining. It was an upper div Physics class. Good luck cheating in college lol
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PoundSand posted:Private schools and colleges I can vaguely understand because it’s essentially a service with customers nowadays, my wife is a state uni professor so I see what she has to deal with all the time in terms of “customer is right”mentality, but I don’t get why public schools are like this. Because a parent with a grudge and free time is a tenacious opponent. Highest school board positions are often elected and they are elected by a very small electorate who actually gives a gently caress about that stuff, so a few angry parents can really sway it. I, Mr. Grapes, will gently caress off from school right when I am allowed to do so without being fired, and will purge school from my mind the moment I leave. Unemployed Parent has nothing to do but seethe about their child's school. They have no social life. They live vicariously through their child and will do anything to ensure that the child reaches the arbitrary level of success they have decided. They will call teachers at midnight about being unable to log in to a loving school app. Asking them why their child is doing homework at midnight never leads to any sort of satisfying answer that makes you feel that the parent is sane and their child is leading a good well adjusted life. The most active Karen type parents are often heavily involved in school volunteering so their willingness to disappear can make admins nervous because they are unpaid employees. They are not paid in money, they are paid in clout and 'respect'. Some of them can be very clever and weaponize woke language against you so if you do something against their child they can accuse you of whatever 'ism' they feel like. This is not just hardcore leftist moms, the right has learned how to weaponize this language just as well. Every accusation must be taken seriously and what does that mean? Well, loads of unpaid extra work on the teacher/admin end so kowtowing to them is often easier then going through the formal process of dealing with their bullshit. I am not saying that teachers are immune to being bigoted little assholes, plenty of them are. It's just that you can get called in for an accusation because some kid recorded a 20 second phone video of you dismissing a kid's question when you just need them to sit down and shut up for 2 minutes to explain how to start the project. In a history class about ancient Rome I got in trouble because a kid asked about the existence of Jesus (which sparked a whole debate) and I said that Jesus was almost certainly a historical figure that actually existed (though he probably looked a lot different than our depictions of him) but we have no real records of the miracles he is thought to have enacted. For that same discussion I got complaints to the admin that I was pushing my Christian faith on the kids and another parent complained I was denigrating their Christian faith. I didn't get in real 'trouble' but trouble to me is wasting my loving time for an hour with a fake smile on my face while listening to a crazy person talk about how awful I am while my admin gladhands them and assures them this will never happen again. What's worse is that there are even worse parents. Some of them just don't loving care at all and act completely unsurprised and unperturbed if you tell them their kid stabbed another one with scissors or is sharing nude selfies around the school. Mr. Grapes! fucked around with this message at 01:59 on May 31, 2023 |
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Toxic Mental posted:Do you teach in like, Missouri or something? I currently teach at an international school for rich kids. So, local rich families + rich foreigners who are often the children of diplomats or bigshot business types. You could say that my students are extremely diverse with the only commonality being that they have a lot of money. Extremists on both ends of the political spectrum for sure. I've got kids of Chinese Communist Party officials and kids of Putin Yacht Millionaires and kids of Ukrainians who fled the country and kids of BMW execs and kids of celebrities and kids of Swedish crunchy moms who insist you don't use gender pronouns and so on. There are a surprisingly large number of Koreans who are hardcore Christians. There are all types. I don't get too many utterly checked out uncaring parents here because it's an elite school. You do get some, but they typically pay an au pair or tutor to actually care about their child so that is who you end up in communication with. Nannies are almost always chill because they are in a similar position of catering to rich assholes so I often prefer dealing with them. Mr. Grapes! fucked around with this message at 01:57 on May 31, 2023 |
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Decades ago in orchestra a student referred to Richard Dreyfuss’s new film as “Mr. Holland’s Anus,” and our usually strict teacher chuckled. Totally missed the boat on calling it Mr Holland's Orifice
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The Bible posted:Well... poo poo. Whatever. Having worked at schools in Korea, Vietnam, and Japan, I can assure you that there is rampant cheating and falsification of grades going on, as well as the most ridiculously unhealthy school-life balance. In Korea I taught highschool and finished at 4pm, and I would routinely witness my students coming out of their after-school cramming academy still in their school uniforms at like 11pm. Then they go home and do homework. This is to train them to be suicidal office drones.
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I feel like I can remember when parents would back up teachers. Your teacher says you've been behaving like a little poo poo head? Well, then you've obviously been behaving like a little poo poo head. A smack in the face for you (I don't condone this, seemed a bit excessive) and a stern warning NOT to repeat your bad behaviors. When did this change?
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Animal-Mother posted:I feel like I can remember when parents would back up teachers. Your teacher says you've been behaving like a little poo poo head? Well, then you've obviously been behaving like a little poo poo head. A smack in the face for you (I don't condone this, seemed a bit excessive) and a stern warning NOT to repeat your bad behaviors. Right about the time you could get a camera small enough to catch a parent dope slapping little shithead johnny.
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Animal-Mother posted:I feel like I can remember when parents would back up teachers. Your teacher says you've been behaving like a little poo poo head? Well, then you've obviously been behaving like a little poo poo head. A smack in the face for you (I don't condone this, seemed a bit excessive) and a stern warning NOT to repeat your bad behaviors. Evolution culture war Common core culture war The mask culture war. Now the pronoun culture war. I got a multi page drunken email from a parent first week of school last year. It wasn’t about anything I did in class. It was about a bunch of poo poo they had just read over the summer and they were just angry as gently caress and ready to sound off about teachers in general. A kid comes home to that every night. 
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Animal-Mother posted:I feel like I can remember when parents would back up teachers. Your teacher says you've been behaving like a little poo poo head? Well, then you've obviously been behaving like a little poo poo head. A smack in the face for you (I don't condone this, seemed a bit excessive) and a stern warning NOT to repeat your bad behaviors. Do kids still get beaten by their parents for performing poorly in school? Absolutely. Witnessed it myself during Covid times even on camera, and then there are always kids you suspect in class who have unusual bruises and such but following up on it doesn't always lead to a positive outcome. Beating kids isn't cool and the beaten kids often are rather aggressive with their own classmates because that's how they learn to solve issues at home. You also have kids who are wayyyyyy too sexual at an early age which leads to suspicion of stuff happening at home I don't even want to get into today. To be fair a lot of that isn't necessarily something illegal but just a consequence of having spent the last few years living on their phones/computers so they get into porn stuff at a far earlier age than I remember as I come from the Playboy buried in the woods generation. Kids are also very TikTok/Youtube poisoned and absolutely tell you to 'Like and subscribe!" and will draw like the youtube interface perfectly from memory as a frame on their assignment submissions. Like I said before I'm at an international school so I have parents from a hundred different cultures and they all have different ways. Crazy exists across all cultural lines and the hardcore tiger mom who schedules every spare second of her free time and locks kids in their room for disrespecting the teacher also sucks even if she doesn't beat the kid. I say moms a lot because it is usually the moms, but dads aren't getting a free pass. Dads are usually just more checked out of the whole situation and obviously haven't been following along on their three official school apps and daily emails and weekly reports and daily photo drops and all that other poo poo. Keeping up with all the school content is like keeping up with everything going on in Fortnite and Destiny except even more boring and buggy. I'd say you also have a higher proportion of stay-at-home moms with wealthier people as both parents don't really need to work. Moms are more likely to start poo poo with you while Dads are more likely to ignore you if you actually do need to get parental feedback or involvement on something. Mr. Grapes! fucked around with this message at 02:50 on May 31, 2023 |
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Animal-Mother posted:I feel like I can remember when parents would back up teachers. Your teacher says you've been behaving like a little poo poo head? Well, then you've obviously been behaving like a little poo poo head. A smack in the face for you (I don't condone this, seemed a bit excessive) and a stern warning NOT to repeat your bad behaviors. Dang, yeah my parents weren’t tyrants but I certainly wasn’t permitted to decide not attend school some days, demand & receive garlic bread for dinner each night, & if I had routinely made their lives hell at bedtime for video game related reasons my Nintendo would have gone bye bye fast.
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