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Mr. Grapes! posted:Do kids still get beaten by their parents for performing poorly in school? Absolutely. Witnessed it myself during Covid times even on camera, and then there are always kids you suspect in class who have unusual bruises and such but following up on it doesn't always lead to a positive outcome. Beating kids isn't cool and the beaten kids often are rather aggressive with their own classmates because that's how they learn to solve issues at home. You also have kids who are wayyyyyy too sexual at an early age which leads to suspicion of stuff happening at home I don't even want to get into today. To be fair a lot of that isn't necessarily something illegal but just a consequence of having spent the last few years living on their phones/computers so they get into porn stuff at a far earlier age than I remember as I come from the Playboy buried in the woods generation. Kids are also very TikTok/Youtube poisoned and absolutely tell you to 'Like and subscribe!" and will draw like the youtube interface perfectly from memory as a frame on their assignment submissions. Every tough kid I had talks about how much their parents hit them pretty openly.
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Mr. Grapes! posted:Having worked at schools in Korea, Vietnam, and Japan, I can assure you that there is rampant cheating and falsification of grades going on, as well as the most ridiculously unhealthy school-life balance. In Korea I taught highschool and finished at 4pm, and I would routinely witness my students coming out of their after-school cramming academy still in their school uniforms at like 11pm. Then they go home and do homework. These days, they usually stop going to hagwons after Middle School, and spend their entire evening at the High School studying. A few years ago, some laws were passed preventing hagwons from holding classes so goddamn late, but of course, parents found this little hack around that. This seems to be much less common in the international schools I've taught at, but for the brief stint I did in public schools, yeah, you paint a pretty accurate picture. Cheating does occur, as does grade-rigging, but one big thing I don't see here (that often, anyway) is religious groups actively sabotaging education by injecting their myths into the actual curriculum, and that's going a long way to decimating America's youth on the international stage. The Bible fucked around with this message at 04:40 on May 31, 2023 |
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Dang, yeah my parents weren’t tyrants but I certainly wasn’t permitted to decide not attend school some days, demand & receive garlic bread for dinner each night, & if I had routinely made their lives hell at bedtime for video game related reasons my Nintendo would have gone bye bye fast. Garlic bread is a basic human right.
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May 31, 2023 10:07
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:any european teachers check in? wondering how it compares to canada/ontario where it is a very good job I'm a teacher in a small UK private school. It's mostly great, extremely low stress, small classes (largest is 16 students), and I'm trusted to get the job done and largely left alone. I have enough free periods to prepare and the students are well behaved so I can do fun stuff often, like spending a double period getting 12 year olds to design and make a rube goldberg machine from random junk. I have previously worked in UK state schools which are basically the opposite in every way. My last year in one of those schools I had 34 students in KS3 classes (11-13 yr old) and very few free periods. Constant micromanagement from above with lesson observations, "learning walks", marking checks, mock inspections, and endless new "initiatives" every few months that were also inspected. In my last year "Growth Mindsets" were the latest fad so we had to put posters up in every room and loudly refer to them when being observed. Nobody in management had read any research or had any way to check if this did anything. The previous one was "Building Learning Power" which involved pointing at posters and asking students which "learning habits" they were using in a task, utter bullshit. We were told to write an A4 lesson plan for every lesson and include references to the bullshit initiatives but nobody did and middle managers would just sign off that they had seen it. The school also openly used performance management processes to target union reps until they quit or were signed off with stress. Parents are less of an issue here because we don't set grades in the same way as the US - we have external national exams at 16 (GCSE) and 18 (A-Level) so our internal marks have no bearing on university applications. Some of them will still complain but we also don't have the same insane politics as the US.
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May 31, 2023 11:07
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Holy poo poo on homework and no recess for early grades. I was expecting my soon-to-be second grader to have homework in Kindergarten and was pleasantly surprised to learn that our K-6 school doesnt do homework for any of the grades. That's how I grew up in the late 70s/early 80s.
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Of all the anecdotes in this thread, the stories of elementary school kids having smartphones and being permitted to use them in class are the wildest to me. At this point it seems inevitable that in a few decades we’ll look on the 2010s/2020s and shake our heads at how ignorant we were in permitting young kids to have these devices. “Oh sure, we let little Billy and his developing brain have near unlimited access to this thing that causes addiction, attention/focus issues, sleep issues, depression, body dysmorphia, and radicalisation by people like Andrew Tate… but if he didn’t have it he couldn’t text me in an active shooter scenario.”
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My heart goes out to you teachers or those who have teachers in their families. 6-8 years ago when I was still trying to figure out what I wanted to be having gotten kicked out of Uni ~8 years before that, and landed on teaching, but I'd need to actually have a proper degree and I sure as gently caress couldn't afford to do so without upheaving my entire life and going back to live with my folks to afford it. From speaking to friends online and some of the horror stories here it sounds like a dodged a bullet - even in my little daydream fantasy I'd teach primary school (5-11 compulsory) or 6th form (16-18 usually not mandatory) but never anything in between. Thanks for your service I hope you one day get to tell those dogshit admins and helicopter parents to gently caress off, if not in real life then at least in a really good dream.
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Cheesus posted:Holy poo poo on homework and no recess for early grades. That’s kind of wonderful to hear. I think from 2nd grade on homework just got incredibly excessive and worse, when we started using textbooks, loving hell on my back. Even though we had lockers 6th-12th grade, some years, some kids didn’t have lockers because the budget didn’t pass and hooray, now there’s kids carrying a lockers worth full of books all loving day. I didn’t have a locker 11th-12th grade because there wasn’t enough, and would stash books in a friendly teacher’s classroom at the rear end end of the building. poo poo, do kids have lockers assigned to them still? I hated remembering the combo and I still have nightmares of trying to open a locker and not getting it perfectly on the number. E: solid thread by the way, this has made me reconsider a few things about my experiences with school.
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If I wound up at a problem school I'd probably at the start let every kid and parent know that everyone gets an A+ so if you wanted to learn biology or w/e lets go over outside and walk around and play by my rules, everyone else gets the day off or isn't allowed to hang out with the learners if they want to gently caress around. I'd just do that and explain what I was doing. If I couldn't earn a living doing that I'd change careers.
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May 31, 2023 13:03
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I gotta ask: is the "like and subscribe" thing for real or are you exaggerating?
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May 31, 2023 13:38
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kiminewt posted:I gotta ask: is the "like and subscribe" thing for real or are you exaggerating? Little kids say it unprompted to their parents.
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kiminewt posted:I gotta ask: is the "like and subscribe" thing for real or are you exaggerating? Absolutely for real. I teach 5 year olds and there are a couple that get on a device the second they get home from school and stay on it until they pass out from exhaustion at 2am. Then get dragged to school. I've got one little boy who, in addition to saying "make sure to like and subscribe", has started making ...... well sexual lady noises that you hear in some anime meme or something. The school counselor is working on that particular case.
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Amarcarts posted:If I wound up at a problem school I'd probably at the start let every kid and parent know that everyone gets an A+ so if you wanted to learn biology or w/e lets go over outside and walk around and play by my rules, everyone else gets the day off or isn't allowed to hang out with the learners if they want to gently caress around. I'd just do that and explain what I was doing. If I couldn't earn a living doing that I'd change careers. Lol. Just. Lol. Hi, all the good kids. Let's give you zero incentive to do any work. Also, all you bad kids, I'm going to ignore you while you plot and carry out murders of one another. I sort of want you to do this once to see how bad of an idea it is, but I would rather you not ruin some kids' day.
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I tell my students straight up that if they complete every assignment on time then they will get at least a B. But you’ll probably get an A because if you do the assignments on time you’ll learn enough to get an A.
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spacetoaster posted:I teach 5 year olds and there are a couple that get on a device the second they get home from school and stay on it until they pass out from exhaustion at 2am. Then get dragged to school. What gets me about the removal of recess (!) is that you can tell the difference in a kid that spent 15-20 minutes a day running around vs devicing all day. Mine is out like a light at bedtime and occasionally will beg off me reading to him 15 minutes before hand because he's too tired.
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Cheesus posted:As a parent who puts their kid is in bed by every night by 8pm (and only now lets him read on his own until maybe 8:30) this sounds like it has to be hyperbole. But there was a time when I was childless and wasting my life hunting down new Star Wars action figures at Wal-mart at midnight. I was aghast at the number of people with their kids shopping at that time of night on school nights. I am not using hyperbole.
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I know you're not. I'm saying it may sound like it but I can confirm there are some really, really lovely parents out there.
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Cheesus posted:I know you're not. I'm saying it may sound like it but I can confirm there are some really, really lovely parents out there. I wanna say that there are plenty of cases of lovely, disengaged, manipulative parents but there's also far, far too many instances of overworked single parents working two jobs just to make ends meet, or working second/third shifts that don't have the ability to monitor their kids at certain times of the day. I definitely judged enough parents in absentia right up until they finally made it in for a conference, still in scrubs and looking like they were going to drop face first on the floor. It's hard not to feel something for them. Whatever arrangements they've made to keep a roof over their head and food on the table don't include stopping their kid from going into the early hours doing whatever it is they do. You know what was one of the hardest things about teaching? If you want to be effective, you have to have some degree of empathy - but if you do, it makes things that much more difficult to handle. It was never just a job that I was able to stop thinking about or shut off as soon as I walked out the door.
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Grandparents too. I had a suicidal 6 year old a couple of years ago, he was living with his really elderly grandmother who had no idea what was going on. His older sibling had shown him how to find pornography and had introduced him to videos of tortures/murders from movies like SAW. He just couldn't process what he was watching for hours a day and it broke him.
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Mr. Grapes! posted:I go out of my way to be maliciously compliant and give homework that requires the parents spend quality time with their kid. Like, "Go on a nature walk and find 4 different rocks and compare their properties" or "Build an insect 'motel' and see what kind of creatures you can attract into it out in your yard and take photos." Parents loving hate this because the correct kind of homework is a worksheet that the kid can quietly struggle through at the kitchen table while mom watches Netflix. Some parents blatantly do their children's homework themselves so their child can have a flawless homework record and that is good ammo for the Parental Bragging War that ensues when the gently caress These loving Teachers flame war subsides in their group chats. Your mentioning of malicious compliance reminded me of all those 'fun' projects they gave us that basically wound up being busywork parent projects (reports that required all kinds of resources to complete, dioramas, science fair projects, etc…). Not only were they the opposite of fun and inevitably involved some amount of yelling and/or crying, it was painfully obvious whose parents basically did the projects for them vs doing it themselves. "Why yes, I, as a 9 year old, certainly soldered up the working lights in my extremely detailed diorama". Meanwhile some other kids who cobbled it together with old action figures and scraps of construction paper, because that's all they could scrape together from around the house, got a bad grade.
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Man that's where a rubric will save your rear end, the kid's rear end, and everyone involved can walk away feeling decent. My Science Fair rubric was 14 parts that could receive a scale of 0-4 and "Display Quality" was one of them. One year I had a kid I knew from a family that was one bad week from being homeless - he turned in a handwritten Science Fair display on cardboard, but he included all other categories to a level of 3 or 4 and I think ended up with like a B- or a C+. Meanwhile I would get beautiful projects that absolutely went to dog poo poo the moment you read them, missing entire sections or trying to dazzle with style over substance, and then when the parent emails you to demand to know why their child (really, it was the parent's) hard, beautiful, totally not last-minute work didn't deserve an A, you can just refer to the rubric and that's that.
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ElectricSheep posted:Man that's where a rubric will save your rear end, the kid's rear end, and everyone involved can walk away feeling decent. I loved grading rubrics as a kid because it told me in black and white exactly how lazy and halfassed I could be and still get away with a B-. Sometimes they basically boiled down to 'please at least TRY and you'll get a 75 minimum. Look, you get 10 points for putting your name and date in the top right corner, please just give me something here.' My favorite science fair project I ever witnessed was a kid who used science to determine exactly how you can microwave both a potato AND something metallic without the microwave dying, things catching fire, or exciting sparks appearing! The centerpiece was the ancient countertop microwave that you could absolutely tell was on it's last legs by the faint smell of burnt poo poo alone.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Dang, yeah my parents weren’t tyrants but I certainly wasn’t permitted to decide not attend school some days, demand & receive garlic bread for dinner each night, & if I had routinely made their lives hell at bedtime for video game related reasons my Nintendo would have gone bye bye fast. This is something that has perplexed me since I started teaching rich kids. "<STUDENT> won't be present from September-December due to family ski trip". That's actually one of the reasons we had a student miss several months of class, and it is pretty common for kids to just be absent because "vacation". We called that "truancy" when I was in school, but I was a poor, so maybe the rules are different (they are). And this is in a country where education is thought be to cutthroat competitive if you expect to rise to the top, but that's a lot easier when Daddy is the CEO of a multinational company, I suppose. ninjoatse.cx posted:Little kids say it unprompted to their parents. And their teachers. They'll also advertise NordVPN to you apropos of nothing. The Bible fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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The Bible posted:This is something that has perplexed me since I started teaching rich kids. The trips happen to a LOT of my Mexican students. Kid disappears for two weeks, note in the attendance program says "In Mexico, visiting family". They never catch up. I guess if I was rich and could afford tutors for my kids I'd be okay taking a two month ski vacation, but my students are like, multiple reading levels behind, and some are still level 1 ELL students taking these trips. They don't stand a drat chance. I get it's probably a cultural thing that I'll always struggle to understand but please, I WANT to teach your kid, please let them come to school.
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Smartphones should be illegal to anyone under 18, not even joking. It's as bad as poo poo like alcohol and smoking. Surely there will eventually be some national study that comes out which explains the huge braindrain/vacuum since their inception and how they're making the population objectively stupider
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I think while sure a ban is cool and all, teaching moderation, best usage practices and consequences from actions would also benefit kids immensely. Same with alcohol and drugs. Which means never in a thousand loving years. ALL OR NOTHING
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Toxic Mental posted:Smartphones should be illegal to anyone under 18, not even joking. It's as bad as poo poo like alcohol and smoking. Plenty of these studies already exist. I think some focus on cognition, but the bulk are on the more emotional aspects of mental health (depression including suicidal ideation, body dysmorphia, etc.). It’s scandalous that there isn’t more mainstream news coverage, lobbying efforts, and concerned parents advocacy on this. I think the problem is that adults have viscerally seen bodies and lives destroyed by alcohol and cigarettes and realise it’s their duty (of sorts) to try to keep that stuff away from kids. The negative effects of social media/smartphones are seemingly more pernicious - though this is not at all to say less harmful - in both adults and children. For a parent to conclude that a smartphone is a dangerous thing to give to their kid requires the parent to consider that their own use of a smartphone is causing at least some sort of harm.
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We don't need to get rid of smartphones. We need to get rid of algorhythm driven media. The self-reinforcing effects of it are very clearly harmful. I see the problem brought to the surface by smartphones. But i don't see teetotal prohibition as the solution to it. Until algorhythm driven content is gone, kids need to be taught how to use it safely. Because if you just ban smartphones until a certain age, you'll just shift the problem and you get a whole bunch of media illiterate 18 year olds entering universities and colleges.
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Toxic Mental posted:Smartphones should be illegal to anyone under 18, not even joking. It's as bad as poo poo like alcohol and smoking. Yeah, a buddy was upset that on the bus third graders were showing first graders clips from Squid Game.
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I also think media literacy should be a much more common subject. I was lucky I had that in grade school but why it was limited to kids who took journalism is beyond me.
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Or at least like, a state-level "no phones in schools" policy or something. Anything.
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LimaBiker posted:We don't need to get rid of smartphones. We need to get rid of algorhythm driven media. The self-reinforcing effects of it are very clearly harmful. I agree media literacy needs to be required in school curricula, regardless of any policy interventions. Also fully agree that algorithm-driven media is the real scourge. But kids owning their own smartphones do amplify these issues: their ubiquity gives kids 24/7 access to the problematic platforms instead of, say, only when they are at a computer. That difference in exposure is huge. And the problem isn’t only media literacy or addiction to media because of how it’s served. Kids are significantly less likely to socialise in person now, with their friendships primarily mediated online. Meanwhile kids self-report as way more lonely and depressed. Maybe a full-on nationwide prohibition before age 16 or something is unrealistic, but a public school ban coupled with required digital media literacy classes would be way better than the status quo.
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I think most definitely no state or other national institution should have anything to do with it. Allowing the state to decide on people's digital lives has never ever turned out to be a good thing, except when it comes to net neutrality. I have seen these in schools near me:  First thing kids have to do is put their phones in that thing. They can only take it out when the class is over, or when explicitely allowed to by the teacher. Parents get a letter with this new policy, and that the school does not accept responsibility for loss, theft by another kid, or the kids forgetting them. If they don't want that, kids need to leave the phone in their locker. Since nearly every kid has a phone these days, it's instantly obvious if some still have them in their pocket.
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The_Franz posted:"Why yes, I, as a 9 year old, certainly soldered up the working lights in my extremely detailed diorama". Meanwhile some other kids who cobbled it together with old action figures and scraps of construction paper, because that's all they could scrape together from around the house, got a bad grade. That happened to me in sixth grade. Every year the sixth graders would do a history project with an elaborate display that they'd put in the gym for the rest of the school to see. It was a small school and a pretty big deal I guess. I was new and didn't know it was some kind of tradition. I did mine all on my own and every other kid obviously had their parents doing it. There was a report and presentation that I put a lot of effort into, but for the overall project I got a C for not putting enough effort into my display.
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LimaBiker posted:I think most definitely no state or other national institution should have anything to do with it. Allowing the state to decide on people's digital lives has never ever turned out to be a good thing, except when it comes to net neutrality. As you dismiss class a kid takes two phones before anyone notices and now you've lost a kid's phone, yay!
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Just saying if you have children knowing they'll be exposed to this system then, to be honest, WTF
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Strategic Tea posted:Just saying if you have children knowing they'll be exposed to this system then, to be honest, WTF Yeah, same. I already have several reasons both personal and objective which contribute to my decision of not having kids, but this just adds more to the pile. Christ, school sounds even worse these days than when I was a kid.  Do people just... have kids and hope for the best?
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Do people just... have kids and hope for the best? Traditionally the knowledge of how to raise kids is passed down from the elders, but here in Freedomland we just stuff those useless old people in an abusive care home the instant they ask us how to program the remote, so our parents have to learn everything from scratch, as Jesus intended, hermetically sealed off from the village that would normally raise a child, in suburban nuclear family silos, with Fox News playing on the TV 24/7.
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Grem posted:As you dismiss class a kid takes two phones before anyone notices and now you've lost a kid's phone, yay! We have CCTV cameras in our classrooms here that only record video. I was uncomfortable with it until a student just hauled off and bodily shoved another kid off his chair and into another kid, sending both into another table and then the ground. Saved me a shitload of trouble explaining just how suddenly it all went down and why I couldn't magically teleport to catch the kids. Other teachers have been accused of violence (and molestation once) and had those cameras not been there... Rich kids are as hosed up as poor kids, if not moreso, and absolutely will accuse you of violent or sexual crimes if they think it will get then out of an hour of detention or because you failed them on an exam they literally just doodled on for an hour. The Bible fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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