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BioEnchanted posted:I kind of like Eddison in Deep Space 9, the mid-series Security Chief for the Federation (alongside Odo as chief of Bajoran security), because he's just there as some guy. No major subplots so far or drama, he just does his job and goes home. It's an amusing contrast to everyone else having some kind of major personal stakes in every situation. lol E: this snipe brought to you by my avatar, I guess.
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I could definitely see a bored teenager, living on his own for the first time, just Also, Jake was an aspiring writer at that time. When I'm writing and I hit a wall, I could definitely see myself loving around with a replicator for no reason. Think of it like the 24th century's answer to scrolling through social media.
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Grand Fromage posted:Bong is the appropriate headspace for Move Along Home. I hated "Move Along Home" the first time I watched it. I guess it's grown on me, but I'm with this take, that it's bad in a good way. There are a few VOY eps like this, too. "Thaw," for one. That one is usually remembered for that killer Kate Mulgrew monologue at the end, but the rest of the ep is bananas. Give me a bad Trek ep that is a head trip like a C-tier Farscape episode.
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Paper Lion posted:threshold deserves the vitriol, but its for the fact that its a perfect example of every poor writing and acting choice, every aspect of the poor production, every ability to turn all ideas into boring grey paste, and every writers room inability to think ahead or within the actual limits of their shows conceit that voyager has to offer all in one episode Absolutely. Retrospect is beyond bad. It is offensively bad, and not for its technique. It's doubly sad to see victim blaming in a rape allegory aimed specifically at Jeri Ryan, who IRL has gone through some poo poo. It's not bad in a fun way or in a way that's fun to make fun of. The PVSTV guys did a jokes out of the room short episode about it because it would have been terrible to make jokes about the episode at all. In conclusion, gently caress Bryan Fuller. BioEnchanted posted:I'm onto Far Beyond the Stars. It's always fun to play "Which period character is which actor sans the usual makeup." Took a while to recognise the guy handing out drawings because I recognised the voice but without the Klingon makeup General Martok was unrecognisable to me.  I always love seeing people go through DS9 for the first time. "Far Beyond the Stars" is a top 3 ep for me, maybe my favorite.Now listen -- Benny Russel has dreamt all of Trek reality into existence! He's real! Don't believe that Pah Wraith nonsense! That is just the writers chickening out on the implications of what they did here! Everything in Trek canon is from Benny's imagination! Don't be fooled by the lies! It's real! IT'S REAL! IT'S REALLLLLLLL! *Is dragged out of the room, screaming*
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Arivia posted:I think this got lost. I bounced off Delta Fliers because of the repetition. They're both nice guys and have interesting things to say from time to time, but they seem to forget between episodes what anecdotes they've already used multiple times. Robbie MacNeil seems to know his stuff but is kind of absent minded. Garret Wang seems cool and would be fun to hang out with, but he's kind of...ditzy? I dunno. The People vs. Star Trek Voyager is alright. Annoying in different ways, but alright. They do a really self-indulgent musical and/or drunk episode once per season that I skip, but otherwise I prefer them if you absolutely must experience VOY again without actually watching it.
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Jun 3, 2023 17:46
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BioEnchanted posted:In the Pale Moonlight brought to mind why I don't mind DS9's "As you know" dialog - it often serves an actual purpose. For example, in one episode the Audience knows what happened with Quark's Klingon ex-wife from a prior episode but Worf does not and is confused about the situation, so Dax is gleefully relaying the whole stupid situation to him because it's a funny story. In another, Sisko is asking for a major breach of protocol from the doctor, so his relaying of information is not unnecessary. It's his justification for trying to talk Ben out of requesting the highly dangerous substance. "I cannot do this because YOU KNOW it is illegal" is the context. Also, Elim Garak posted:"And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant. And all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal, and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain."
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Jun 3, 2023 20:36
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Beeftweeter posted:perhaps today is a good day to dine This. It's this one. A+ I'm thinking this for the tagline of a Klingon-themed but Ferengi-owned Applebee's type chain.
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Jun 8, 2023 21:45
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holefoods posted:show her the one where janeway deletes the wife Fair Haven/Spirit Folk has got to be the worst related pair of eps in VOY, if not the whole franchise. Needless to say, they are essential viewing.
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FlamingLiberal posted:If Retrospect didn't exist then Fair Haven would probably be the worst episode Oh yeah, 100%. What gets me about Fair Haven, and especially Spirit Folk, is that there's potential in the premise of the episode. In Spirit Folk, the holographic people begin to think the flesh and blood people are Fae, taking them away to some incomprehensible, alien place which is exactly what they are doing. That's a cool parallel! But the episode does next to nothing with it. It seems like the kind of idea one writer had but it got squashed and mutilated in the writing-by-committee that VOY did so often. holefoods posted:honestly everything related to them trying to get the voyager crew to have a thing in the holodeck is horrible "Bride of Chaotica!" is great if you read it as Janeway commiserating with the holographic supervillain about how both of them are surrounded by incompetent minions.
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Jun 11, 2023 12:25
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Arivia posted:I feel so bad for him (Alexander Siddig), because as far as I can tell right after DS9 ended he got basically railroaded into an endless run of "Terrorist #2" roles because of post-9/11 islamophobia poo poo. It sucks, he deserves much better than that. He was good in Syriana. That one is obviously related to the War on Terror roles, but he was at least a major role in that and not "terrorist #2."
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Jun 13, 2023 21:43
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Angry Salami posted:Naomi Wildman's mother saw her newborn daughter die and then was handed an exact duplicate from an alternate universe. I'm sure that won't leave her with any lingering trauma or psychological issues about her child! The reason she stops appearing after S3 isn't because the writers forgot she existed. She section-8'd her way out of service and is holed up in her quarters just hanging on with the help of what little counseling that ship can provide. Neelix is Voyager's de facto counselor.
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Jun 23, 2023 17:05
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FuturePastNow posted:The real job of Starfleet Counselors is to convince people they're still themselves after temporal and transporter shenanigans Nothing like a night of fiery poops courtesy of Neelix to ground you in the midst of an existential crisis.
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Books On Tape posted:Amazon is the shadiest loving business on the planet. I'm doing a run through of DS9 and made it up to Season 5, 2 or 3 episodes in when suddenly, season 5 is no longer available to watch through prime. I have to fire up Paramount plus with all its commercials. Funny how this happens to the only season I'm currently watching. Season 1-4, and 6-7 are still there just fine. loving bait and switch bullshit. A little while back I had a mind to rewatch Farscape. I found that Prime has S2-4, but not S1 for some reason. I checked back months later, and lo and behold S1-4 are on the platform, so I started watching the show. It took me a while, watching about 4-5 eps per week. I got four episodes into S4 and the whole show dropped from the platform. I still haven't gotten a chance to finish it, and that was six months ago. I don't have the kind of time to binge watch anything, so all of these streaming services increasingly loving with their libraries sours me on the whole idea. There's a lot of reasons (access, video quality, commentary tracks, etc.) a lot of folks have been moving back to physical media. I'm not there yet, but I'm getting close. Frankly, the only reason we still have Prime is that my wife uses the shipping to order miscellaneous supplies that she needs quickly for her business. The video service has increasingly sucked and is kind of incidental at this point.
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Jun 24, 2023 10:35
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zoux posted:I don't think that's low key I think that's widely accepted. The Mirror Universe episode is fantastic start to finish and I count it as a Hoshi episode because  I'm a big ENT apologist, but even I have my limits. As someone who watched all of Quantum Leap when I was a kid, I love me some of that Bakula. But he is woefully miscast, specifically in S3. He works better in S1-2 when they're usually going for more of an affable captain, but S3's attempt at BSG/post-911 tone is tough sledding for Bakula. I honestly don't know why they didn't just leave the harsh tone in the hands of Trip. The character is given a tangible reason to be even more mad than everyone else about the Xindi, and his actor can pull it off. But lol at Archer and Phlox's attempts at counseling Trip through his trauma. "Can't sleep because your family died? Have you tried erotic massage with T'pol?" I mean, it works, but it just seems wrong.
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Jun 28, 2023 10:32
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V-Men posted:I hope killing your own time clone is someone's Starfleet etrance exam psych evaluation. You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a time clone of yourself, it’s crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the time clone over on its back. The time clone lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?
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Atlas Hugged posted:I just watched Hard Time on my journey through DS9. I liked how that episode ended. DS9 handed trauma well compared to most Trek, and I liked that they didn't take the easy, episodic way out by mashing the ol' reset button at the end of the episode. VOY would have done nothing with it, and been borderline offensive about dismissing trauma. See also: "It's Only a Paper Moon."
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Jul 26, 2023 11:49
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Soul Dentist posted:No like the kid that would result from the conception during a Star Trek watch between consenting adults. Aatrek casts a long shadow over the thread. Side note: I am proud of having been reprimanded by Aatrek in a previous iteration of the thread. He threatened to probate me for stupid bullshit too, like not carrying water for his idea of Trek orthodoxy and arguing with him over it. How now, bitch? 
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Tighclops posted:computer: beam the poo poo out of my rear end *New Vegas' Fisto appears*
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Tunicate posted:It's not a big spoiler, a later voyager episode mentions that on their ship the holodeck has a totally separate power supply incompatible with the rest of the ship, which is almost certainly because they designed the Voyager class a few years later, and Geordi complained about having his holoddeck power limited by thr ship's power supply in this episode. Very goony of Starfleet to both have enough porn to need a separate power source for it, and to protect their porn with a redundant power source. Can't have Ensign Redshirt's Klingon BDSM program to go dark in the middle of a pitched battle. Priorities.
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I just read an article about the audiobook/reprinting of Andrew Robinson's Trek novel. I might pick it up, and I'm in the mindset for some good, light-ish sci fi. I haven't read any Trek novels though, so can the thread recommend some besides "A Stitch in Time?" (Because I'm already going to get that one). Looking for top 5 or 10 lists because I trust the opinion of goons ITT more than randos on the internet, especially about nerd poo poo.
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Vic Fontaine is a better counselor than Deanna Troi. I like Troi for lots of other stuff but God drat is she terrible at her job sometimes.
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Kesper North posted:But the really unforgiveable part to me was the whole series mcguffin being that a woke collectivist mind virus is infecting the youth and only boomers can save us. It's hard to imagine anything less Trek. More like chuddy passion play. No thanks. Yikes. I hate this. I had been on the fence about skipping the first two seasons and just watching S3, but gently caress all this.
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Confusedslight posted:I've been putting this off for a long time but I think it's time after watching pretty much everything else. Good news: it's better than you have heard. Bad news: you have to listen to the theme song before every single episode because of Space LawTM
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Lord Ludikrous posted:The random elements of the game are the dice rolls, starting positions, drawable cards, how long players take to carry out their turn and the challenge of the Klingon Sword; the video plays out exactly the same each time. Even so with the amount of other random elements no two games should ever be the same. Me and my buddies covered this in our podcast years ago. It's one of my favorite episodes. It's a genuinely fun game. https://tableflipsyou.blogspot.com/2012/12/episode-17-star-trek-next-generation.html (I don't intend this a shameless plug, as it is for a podcast that's been over for a few years. Just putting it out there if people want an in-depth rundown of the Bij experience.)
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Wait people don’t like Course: Oblivion? It’s one of the few Voyagers I genuinely love because it’s so bleak.  I have a hard time enjoying Sub Rosa as bad in a fun way because it is about a rape ghost. It's not as bad as VOY's Retrospect, but it's pretty loving bad.
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MuddyFunster posted:Wait, now it's a rape ghost? YOU GUYS, COME ON Oh yeah. Sorry about that. You also get to enjoy some writer being a weeb for Scotland for some inexplicable reason. It's....great.
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Yeah. As goofy as it is, Move Along Home is a pretty good example of the show's original premise. Just weird bullcrap coming out of the Gamma Quadrant episodically, rinse, repeat.
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Der Kyhe posted:Yes, definitely. And he was the by far the best celebrity cameo in Community. 100% agreed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhOG3XwX9Yw Also, his podcast, LeVar Burton Reads, is awesome and does exactly what it says on the tin. He has great taste in lit and does such a good job with the readings. I wish he could narrate every single audiobook.
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ENT S3 seems like a symptom of network standards for season lengths. I feel like if it were to be made these days, it would be about ten fewer episodes, which seems about right.
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Timby posted:There was one particularly vitriolic poster at Trek BBS who was an ardent proponent of "it doesn't count if Roddenberry wasn't involved." Holy poo poo. Even in less extreme cases, I have always had a hard time understanding reactionaries being super into Trek. Trek has always been progressive relative to its own time (TOS for the 1960's, TNG for the 1980's, DS9 for the 1990's, etc.) I mean, not with everything, but generally it's progressive. How someone could watch the particular kind of moralizing going on in Trek and still be a fan if their worldview would call it "bleeding heart" or whatever is just vexing to me.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:A couple of the really super influential early fanfic (and slashfic) writers were hardcore Randians. They caused problems. nine-gear crow posted:Reactionaries tend to be, to a one, A) really loving stupid, like, ghastly unintelligent, and B) media illiterate. So that special brew of ignorance is how you get gross crusty dillholes with more hair on their necks than their heads going "This new woke Star Trek really sucks!" without a hint of irony. This does explain a lot, and articulates the issue pretty well.
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Arivia posted:Goddamn the next episode “Mortal Coil” is Ethan Phillips’ finest hour as Neelix grapples with his own mortality. The episode even survives a fuckin vision quest with Chakotay. I love that episode. I'm usually a VOY hater, but that is one I will stand up for when it comes up. Ethan Philips is fantastic, and the ending is uncharacteristically bold for VOY in resisting the urge to wipe everything away with a Hollywood Ending.
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It's pronounced "Miss-ter Haus"
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If I were in the Star Trek universe, I would believe absolutely anything anyone told me about their personal experience. Got a body part teleported out of their body? Yep. Claims to be mentally decades older than they appear because of doing a dime in Space Prison? Sure, we've all been there. Saw the literal physical manifestation of evil as a black puddle? Save the antipsychotics, this one's fine. Boned an alien sex ghost? My only question is, "which one?" And this is without getting into Kirk's time. As wild as that is, it would all be part of popular consciousness by the TNG era, so it would be normalized if anything. The NPCs in Trek should either be the most chill or the most traumatized people in history.
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A.o.D. posted:The duality of Voyager. An Emmy for makeup effects. I like adding "Emmy-award winning episode" ahead of the title when I think about "Threshold" in the same way that people add "Hugo Award nominee" to Chuck Tingle's name. It's really grounding both as a reminder of how good Voyager could have been, and how stupid award shows are.
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Re: Ezri Dax as a captain: As someone else said before, it's hard to tell who she would become because we only see her in what is probably the most tumultuous time in her life. But even so, Ezri didn't seem to have the personality or interest in Starfleet as a career. She seemed to me to be one of those "joined the military to pay for college and then got out after one enlistment period," rather than a career soldier. And you would think the Dax Symbiont would want a change of pace too after 10+ years of that anyway. Given that Jadzia had some wild impulses, I always thought of the Dax Symbiont as more restless than something that would settle for an orderly military life over multiple lifetimes. Ezri is lucky the thing didn't immediately say upon their bonding, "Alright., What's your whole deal? Counseling? College? Nah, gently caress all that. Let's go do some ayahuasca and really see the loving cosmos." Symbiont Dax as Electrochemistry, basically.
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Sash! posted:Plus if you think about it like classic naval warfare, shore batteries were always considered more powerful offensively and significantly more durable defensively. Yeah. I'm in the middle of Shattered Sword right now (a minute-by-minute accounting of the Battle of Midway) and there's a lot written about the Japanese Imperial Navy's treatment of the chief island at Midway itself. It had an airfield but unlike a lot of islands in the pacific theatre it had little else, so it was treated as a kind of immobile carrier. This is stressed in contrast to Imperial Naval doctrine's treatment of other such islands that had more substantial artillery. Normal doctrine would have had them all but ignore the US fleet before hammering the poo poo out of the island to necessarily put it out of commission before turning toward the seaborne naval assets. (They did this near Singapore and elsewhere early in the Pacific war.) Weirdly, Midway not bristling with guns let it escape more of the Imperial Navy's notice and allowed it to participate more in the battle than it would have if it could have been outfitted with naval guns. They bombed it, but not enough to take it out of the fight and kind of ceded an extra aircraft platform to the Americans throughout the battle. tl;dr: neutralizing stationary batteries requires enough commitment from naval resources to warp operations around the pursuit, and are often hard points that are worked around rather than gone through. DS9 is probably equivalent to a small fleet of ships on its own, to say nothing of The Defiant, a giant loving gun with a warp drive duck taped to it.
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CPColin posted:Captain...long-range sensors have detected a black hole sun... lol I hated Fair Haven when I watched it and I still do, ("spirit Folk" even more so) but I have turned around on what the episode means for Janeway as a character. Her line, "Delete the wife" is as much a pillar to how I remember her as the line, "Release the virus" while holding a Borg baby in some other episode. She's nuts but in a kind of understandable and definitely fun and cool way. In the case of Fair Haven, she's desperately lonely and she's going to solve that problem with all of the authority and insanity she can bring to bear.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:IIRC that had other wrestlers in other shows too as part of the promo. loving god, Harry. We can't see your nonexistent biceps when you're blending in with those black pajamas. Big Show was in an episode of ENT as an Orion slaver. The scene is pretty funny in how it highlights how loving huge the guys is. He effortlessly picks up Jolene Blalock by her waist to show her to a leering crowd, and it's like, "Sure. But she's tiny." Then he picks up an adult man a foot taller than her and does exactly the same thing with seemingly no effort.
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Atlas Hugged posted:These Voyager two parters just aren't very good, are they? Let's see... Caretaker: trash Basics: trash Future's End: trash Scorpion: Ok this one is good, great even Year of Hell: same The Killing Game: ehhhh Dark Frontier: trash Equinox: garbo Unimatrix Zero: hot garbage Flesh and Blood: trash Workforce: OH GOD THIS ONE WAS SO loving BORING Endgame: good because it ends the series
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