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thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Atlas Hugged posted:

Also, when they took the sticks out, I thought for sure they'd be an integral part of playing the game, for like making barriers, attacking enemies, or moving pieces chopstick style.

They're for sounding, obviously.

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thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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cenotaph posted:

I've been re-watching the x-files and I chuckle every time they talk about the syndicate fearing exposure. An entire generation of tv writers with Watergate brain.

It's internally consistent with UFO lore though. No need to cover poo poo up if you don't fear exposure.

Maybe aliens are shy or whatever.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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If I remember correctly during the run of Enterprise they're at first like "once every 7 years", then "nerds from the pro-emotion sect are working on speeding that up some" and at the end they're like "oh Vulcan women can bang as long as it is logical".

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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MikeJF posted:

Yeah, the Klingons kicked their asses in the opening waves of the war but that was basically preparation and first strike advantage and it didn't last long enough for anything else. The war never really had a chance to move past the initial stages because the Federation got Martok exposed pretty quickly.

It was always implied that the Cardiassians were hilariously outmatched by the Federation in the big picture and the only reason the Federation didn't completely stomp them was a lack of will on the Federation's side to go to full war footing.

The Federation seems matched by, and maybe even slightly outgunned by the Romulans and the Breen. However, both of those species dislike direct conflict, which actually makes a lot of sense considering the scale of destruction wrought by even a single vessel.

The Klingons seem to be a bit weaker than the federation in the TNG/DS9 era. The Klingons that are upset about the peace have somewhat of a point, in that regard. They make up for that by their enthusiasm, and actually being good at fighting when not lead by idiots.

The Cardasssians seem a match for the Klingons in firepower and cruelty, but not so tactically. The Federation-Cardasssian war having lasted as long is a bit of a mystery, but I think it is implied that multiple truces and peace attempts by the Federation were exploited by the Cardasssians. They're an empire in decline, if not broken.

thotsky fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Jun 27, 2023

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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dr_rat posted:

I think it's also implied that the Cardassians put a lot of resources into the war and it was their main focus where as for the federation it was just one of many boarder conflict that if you have boarders as big as the Federation you just have to sometimes deal with.

The Federation suffered plenty of losses, most of the captains we follow took part in the conflict, and Statrfleet Command is very invested in making the treaty work, so it's not like it was a small deal, but the fallout seems to be that the Cardasssians are bloodied, counting their blessings with how things shook out, but essentially unbowed. Maybe a kind of what-if the war in the pacific ended with a truce rather than the occupation of Japan.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Yeah, the federation seems to be larger than most of the other empires, possibly quite a bit larger, but Starfleet is not really a standing army and I don't think its military might is proportional to the size of the Federation. I think we can assume the Federation is unwilling to be on war footing unless the threat is existential.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Odo says killing your own clone is still murder, but I guess that could be Bajoran law and not Federation law.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Grillka seems to be into Quark not really being a relationship type of guy. Which makes sense; she wants to run her own house. Them being friends makes sense as they're both very independent movers and shakers somewhat on the fringe in their societies. It seems like they stay in touch, but it would be in character for both of them to be more into closing the deal or the chase, respectively.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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zoux posted:

Oh here's NOT a great running gag, The "Spock I think that's the most human whatever you've ever whatevered" and Spock going "There's no need to be insulting" or the corrolarry "Spock you're a machine/computer/most heartless guy I've ever known" and Spock going "Why thank you doctor". I think I've seen that one 3 or four times and I'm only 3 deep into s2

Wait until you get to his eulogy.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Family is one of the best Star Trek episodes.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Screaming is hardly unique to Ferengi.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Wailing.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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I don't remember the episode where Nicholas Cage and Saruman got fused in the transporter.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Powered Descent posted:

Fun fact: for the French dub of the show, the character of Vash had to be renamed, because "vache" (pronounced similarly) means "cow".

Yeah, it wasn't misogynistic enough for the French.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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I like her character, but that bit makes no sense. You can change your name. She's deliberately chosen to go around being called Hitler and is upset about it.

thotsky fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Aug 15, 2023

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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skasion posted:

It would suck to have to change the name you were born with, through no fault of your own, just because a few people don’t like it.

Not if it's Hitler!

Presumably all of her ancestors decided it was super cool, but La'an is explicitly unhappy with the reaction people have to the name, falling in love with the first person who doesn't immediately raise an eyebrow when she introduces herself.

It's ridiculous.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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So, in the episode with the child-murdering utopia Pike bangs the alien lady, but a few episodes later we learn he's in a long-term relationship with Marie Batel. Do they have an open relationship, was he cheating, or had they not decided what the relationship between the characters was? In the pilot I thought she was his daughter or something.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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All this talk about The Volume really reminds me of that The Nozzle joke.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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cenotaph posted:

What's a good holodeck hangout? Oh, I know, 19th century Ireland. Nothing bad happened at all!

the food scene was killer

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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MikeJF posted:

The Drumhead is extremely good but has also been getting a little bit of retrospective side-eye lately for the 90s fantasy where a good speech at the right time and taking people's mask off is all you need to stop that kind of poison.

That's quite a bit of TNG in general, but yeah epitomized by that episode. Solving issues with The Picard Speech is clearly a liberal fantasy with no basis in reality. I am okay with it because some of the time TNG does feature a little more nuance than that, and some of the more overtly socialist utopian stuff is genuinely surprising when it crops up.

It's more cringe when SNW tries to do the same thing.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Atlas Hugged posted:

I mean, but it is. We've seen enough of Klingon society to know that there are other professions than just crewman on a Bird of Prey. DS9 has that chef who will slay your hunger and boredom with grak and opera. Then there's the lawyer who doesn't even care about justice; he just wants to meet you in his battlefield of choice: the courtroom. Alexander can absolutely go on to do something else and no one will ever get to say he's a coward who dishonored himself when the Empire needed him.

If you're a warrior you're a warrior until death. Retirement, or dying of old age, is portrayed as the worst possible fate, and a grave dishonor, multiple times across the various shows.

The lawyer, cook and scientist lady are looked down upon in Klingon society, even if some of them have managed to find some honor in what they do.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Atlas Hugged posted:

Well gently caress it then. He gets to be a Klingon good luck charm for the rest of his life, and while that may not come with the highest standing, he is at the very least accepted.

As a warrior his standing would be significantly above that of the Klingon chef, although I doubt Alexander could take him in a fight.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Atlas Hugged posted:


Also, I'm still not sure I buy the whole "once a warrior, always and just a warrior" thing because we're shown that Worf has had multiple jobs, sometimes military, sometimes diplomatic. His status in Klingon society has risen and fallen on multiple occasions and the highs and lows don't always line up with how much of a warrior he's being. To say that Alexander is now just stuck as a warrior and wouldn't be accepted doing something else once the war has ended feels wrong to me now that I've had time to think about it. Plus, a major part of DS9 is getting the Klingons to accept that their society has to change or they will be wiped out because it's rotted, not from corruption, but from stagnation.

Warriors are a caste of Klingon society, it's not your job description. Worf was raised by humans and joined Starfleet. He repeatedly rejects invitations to reclaim his birthright. He's simply not a warrior in the Klingon sense; lots of Klingons have trouble even accepting him as Klingon.

If Alexander is serious about being a Warrior he will die as one.

thotsky fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Sep 4, 2023

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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No Dignity posted:

Okay important question: is Lwaxanna bullshitting about Picard being horned up for her? The obvious answer is yes, but Pixard is auch a repressed, victorian prude that I could believe that would be his response

Picard looks older than he is, but even then he seems to be into women quite a bit younger than Lwaxanna. She's projecting.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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I dislike the Maquis and most of the Dominion War stuff in DS9. It's very neoliberal in a way that has aged much worse than the liberal utopianism of TNG. I have no trouble imagining that the writers didn't give them a good reason for wanting to stay because that's how they feel about Palestinians or the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh or whatever.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Der Kyhe posted:

Yes, and why isn't there a permanent "gently caress off"-fleet in Sol system, where the Federation headquarters, Starfleet high command, the main campus of the Starfleet Academy, and the main fleet yards are located? And two out of three main enemies of the Starfleet use infiltrator ships that are pretty much invisible until the moment they start to stir up trouble, so catching them on the way isn't really that reliable either.

The Dominion does seem to go after the other member worlds first, like Betazed, so I figured they do have one.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Paradoxish posted:

VOY and TNG both went out of their way to make holodeck past times feel like some weird combination of sophisticated, quirky, and just downright bizarre and it never really worked for me.

That's just flavor though. You load up Sherlock Holmes or DaVinci's study, but once that arch closes it's all analingus.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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MikeJF posted:

What about when you're going Double Twain?

Analingus.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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MikeJF posted:

How the gently caress did Trek get away with putting 'hey, here's Satan, he's actually a good guy and we're chill with him' in an ostensibly semi-kid-targeted animated show in 1973, anyway.

I mean, they got in trouble over Spock's ears in the original show because people thought it was satanic. Maybe it's a reference to that.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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dr_rat posted:

I mean, sure that could explain why they might do it, but not why they're not getting in trouble of it. Like you just pointed out even just having slightly suggestive ears got them in trouble, how could literally finding out the devils a cool dude not?

The 70s were a different time than the 60s? Maybe nobody gave a poo poo about children and this kind of thing until the Satanic panic in the 80s?

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Watching TNG from the start to introduce it to a friend. Man, season one is rough. There's some fun idiosyncracies, like Picard being an rear end in a top hat and Riker being cocky, but the line delivery...

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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I much prefer TMP to 2001.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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HD DAD posted:

“Leather fetish gear? No, no this is uh…what we all wear in the 31st century. It’s a spy suit, I swear.”

(Daniels is a time traveling sex pest with a timeline corruption kink)

It looks like a stillsuit out of Lynch's Dune.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Nana Visitor really sells it, but I always kind of wished it was revealed as a psychotic break, Bajoran intelligence operation or some such.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Kind of lol that alcohol is barely consumed in the federation due to deleterious effects, but slamming quadruple espressos all day is totally fine.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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8one6 posted:

A better show would have kept Sarah Silverman around for a while like Farscape did with Chiana.

Huh? Chiana was in almost every episode.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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A.o.D. posted:

If Starfleet is, as it purports to be, primarily an agency of exploration and diplomacy, it makes perfect sense that there would be room for career subject matter experts who don't have either the inclination or ability to pursue a command track.

Combine that with the fact that starships canonically spend years on mission, it seems reasonable to me that you'd see career tracks that more resemble age of Sail tenure rather than the modern up or out military.

I'll grant that Riker's refusal to move into the Captain's chair is TV fuckery, but there is definitely a place in Starfleet for the 40 year career xenobiologist.

Yeees, but a Starfleet xenobiologist is a very specific thing, and making it as one for 40 years would be a definite achievement. Most federation xenobiologists are not in starfleet.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Which episode has the best Riker beard?

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Powered Descent posted:

TNG, being a really episodic show, doesn't have a whole lot of big years-long character arcs, but Riker has a good one. It's never really explicitly said this way, but at the start, he's straight-up afraid of becoming a Captain. He passes up no less than three offers for a ship of his own, giving excuses like he still has so much more to learn. Finally, during The Best of Both Worlds, command is thrust upon him, and he discovers that yes, he's ready.

Of course, the problem is that this arc is over by the start of season 4, and then the writers hit a great big pause button on his character. He's still a good character, but he's basically static for the rest of the show, and until the end of the movies. It's over a decade before he finally takes command of the Titan.

I don't really think Riker has much of an arc, and for an episodic show that would usually be okay, but his characterization makes it all the more conspicuous that nothing really happens with him, and so people tend to fill in the blanks.

I disagree with your read. He's not afraid of responsebility, and from the beginning he's shown to be a capable and confident leader. He's described as ambitious, which is reinforced when we learn he had given up Troy to pursue some career opportunities.

I think it's more fitting to assume that for all his professionalism he is an adventurer at heart and giving up away missions with his friends on the flagship for some second rate command just isn't in him.

I think the RLM guys have a similar theory, but in The Best of Both Worlds he briefly gets to have the position he wants, on the ship he wants; the best of both worlds. His arc after being confronted with Shelby, who resembles himself just a few years prior, should have been for him to realize that he is stagnating by being so picky.

There's nothing to indicate that he needed to learn or learned that "he's ready". For the rest of the show they tone down the bravado and impishness he had in season 1 and 2 and instead have him ask a bunch of dumb questions so others can deliver exposition. Between that and his mishandling of the situation in Darmok, his overreaction to Ensign Ro and finally his disgraceful attitude in Chain of Command I think the logical conclusion is that he became a worse officer over the duration of the show, and they never really gave us a satisfying explanation for why that is.

thotsky fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Dec 18, 2023

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thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

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Refugees with a weird religion are sexist and rude. Oooooh, allegory... We wear rags on our heads and our skin flakes off so people consider us dirty. Some writer saw the ferengi and were like, "hold my beer".

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