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Tesseraction posted:Because cultural assimilation is bad? Sending your kids to school and paying your taxes are pretty loving basic things that people living in a society should do
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Tesseraction posted:That's not cultural assimilation... You're the one that added the word cultural.
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Aug 3, 2023 11:04
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Tesseraction posted:Because there's different levels here. No-one here argued against traveller kids being allowed in schools, but the problem is that schools only allow children with fixed home addresses, meaning that the kids will have to be abandoned and adopted by non-traveller parents, cutting them off from their community. Yeah, so give them houses, and their children can go to school?
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Aug 3, 2023 11:18
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What do you think the state does to parents that refuse to educate their children? I can't believe I have to use the cliche, but we live in a society. Part of that includes things like sending your kids to school. If you're putting your desires above the needs of your child then you're not fit to be a parent. It's pretty basic.
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Aug 3, 2023 11:28
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OwlFancier posted:Perhaps we could find some way to allow kids who move around a lot to get an education? Perhaps we could also look at society and think about whether academic qualifications are really so necessary for people to be allowed to subsist? Well yeah. Let's do that. If you've got ideas for change, then I'm all ears.
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Aug 3, 2023 11:33
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Jakabite posted:If it doesn’t matter then why not just tell me what you’d like to see done with any travellers who refuse Labour’s plan. gently caress it, this wasn't aimed at me, but: Provide housing in towns and communities for people to live in, send their kids to school, have jobs and bank accounts and pay taxes and all that stuff that makes up part of living in Britain. If you refuse to take that up, then we start applying laws that already exist for the rest of our society to that community. Not giving your children an education? Then I'm afraid you lose those children and they get adopted out. You have a responsibility to those kids and your desire to live free on the road isn't as important as giving them that education and health care Not got a permanent address? Then your car insurance is probably not gonna be valid. Ripping up fences / gateposts and parking on sports fields? That's an arrest or fine. Same for fly tipping Cash in hand work and tax avoidance? Like we've got laws against that too. It's poo poo, nobody asked for this society, but you can't just choose to opt out and also expect special privileges. It's me, I'm the ukmt fash
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Jakabite posted:Well you’re right on that last point. At least you have the bollocks to say ‘I’d take away their kids and lock them up’. Overlooking the bit where I said they should all be provided houses I see. Yeah, if you're not providing education for your kids, and put your desires ahead of theirs, you shouldn't have kids. Same as we do for other families where there's DA and drug use in the home.
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Aug 3, 2023 12:41
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Julio Cruz posted:equating moving around to domestic abuse is quite something That's quite a stretch. Putting your desire to live on the road above your child's needs to education and healthcare is 100% a sign you're not fit to patent.
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Aug 3, 2023 14:08
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forkboy84 posted:
Oh I'm sorry pal. Do my views not fit with your society? And you want to exclude me for it? 
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Aug 3, 2023 14:14
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Council estates aren't (or at least shouldn't be) ghettoes
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OwlFancier posted:Absenting the obvious notion of coordinated trolling, it's a depressingly common blind spot among people who think they're quite progressive and sensible but are unaware of, or unwilling to consider that history is full of other people who thought exactly the same thing and still ended up supporting things we now consider monstrous. "What's coming to them" in this instance being homes and education and healthcare.
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OwlFancier posted:I really would like you to answer the question about why you think places become ghettos because I have a feeling it's very important to understand the likely outcome of that policy. Bro you'll have to tell me why places become ghettos, coz it's a sociological thing I've not studied. I guess it's where you stick a group of minorities together in a small community and give them no access to services. That's not really what I'm suggesting though. Creating a solely traveller housing estate wouldn't be good. Getting them in estates in towns and becoming part of the local community is gonna be a better outcome overall.
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OwlFancier posted:
Yeah, that's a valid point, but integrating with the community and getting along is what society is about. People living and working together and seeing that we're all just people is how it has worked in this country whenever a minority community or immigrants have moved into an area. poo poo as this place may be, we don't have regular race riots in communities with lots of immigrants. There are no no-go zones in London OwlFancier posted:And it happens because, as I keep saying, the problem is with the hegemonic society. You need to stop society from wronging people first because if you don't then anything else you try is going to be utterly destroyed by those same behaviours from society. I'm all for improving society, but I don't see it happening any time soon, so what do we do in the interim?
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DesperateDan posted:
Woke Sadiq's ulez, denying you your heritage
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:I will say that I'm a raging unrepentant bigot toward billionaires and all of your woke tolerance will nudge me not one mil (as in thousandth of a non-metric inch) Another group of people that don't fit into society, and also avoid taxes. Though in the case of landed gentry and nobility they will have been doing this for generations, so it's a heritage and can't be changed
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Aug 4, 2023 10:58
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Lot of people really struggling with encountering opinions different to their own.
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Ah, you're right Things are totally fine as they are. There's no such thing as society, just do whatever you want. Break into public parks and set up camp on rugby fields. Anyone with a problem with that is literally Hitler While you're at it, might as well pick and choose which other parts of the social contract you want to apply to you.
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Nah mate, just do whatever you feel like. Set up a trap house, that'll bump up your pip payments. Depending on your level of mobility you might have issues outside tho, as people parking fully on the pavement is on the rise. And why not? More power to you. Stop picking up after your dog, someone else will clean it up, probably.
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mrpwase posted:I would argue about what the social contract is and how it applies in this situation but I'd rather just call you a oval office. Good point, well made
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fuctifino posted:No, you really are dense and it really is a waste of time and energy to point out the many flaws in your 'logic'. I don't hate anyone son I just don't think the traditional traveller lifestyle is particularly compatible with life in modern Britain. Never called anyone thieves or scum. Not wishing death on people, unlike other posters in this thread.
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Skull Servant posted:You're advocating for a way of life to be completely eradicated because you are self-absorbed enough to believe that it is inherently invalid because you have had a couple of bad run ins. Cop yourself on. As has happened countless times before. We weren't all always city dwelling computer touchers, but society changed and so did people's way of life. Having groups of people roll up into town and set up camp on school field for a while doesn't really work anymore. Or I'm turbo Hitler.
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smellmycheese posted:Ah. We’re off on round 2 are we? gently caress no, this is boring
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OwlFancier posted:I don't think it's beyond the ability of modern society to provide campgrounds with amenities. It's beyond the ability of modern society to feed children. You might be overstating modern society's abilities
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OwlFancier posted:You're the one proposing we need to "solve" people moving around too much. You are advocating investment of resources into this, but what you are choosing to allocate those resources to do is not to make people's preferred way of life easier to achieve, but to destroy it because you seem to think it's intrinsically wrong. Aye go on then. Forcibly seize all private and crown estates and manor houses and turn them into free campsites 2 birds, one stone
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NZAmoeba posted:Sounds like modern society is really poo poo. Great idea. Got any plans?
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First two might be related to the third. Who knows?
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Jakabite posted:Should’ve let her bleed out The people with open head wounds will look up and shout "Save us!"... ...and I'll look down, and whisper "no."
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Can't even get graff in English these days. Country has gone to the dogs
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Ah jeez guys. Sorry my posting is beyond the pale. Maybe I should just make posts and how I wish for a painful death of people I disagree with. Y'know, to fit in a bit more
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The saddest thing is your inability to conceive that someone may have a different opinion to you.
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Mr Phillby posted:Seems like a culture problem to me mate, have you considered assimilation? Yeah, like 2 posts above DreddyMatt posted:Ah jeez guys. Sorry my posting is beyond the pale.
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Was looking why our asylum barge was called Bibby Stockholm. It's not a Miss Snuffy twee villain, but the company that makes them are called Bibby. They've got a website, and to the fury of gammons everywhere, it turns out that it's not actually a floating prison, instead it's offering "luxury living", boasting great features such as ventilation. https://www.bibbymarine.com/bibby-stockholm/ Guaranteed they've ripped out the gym and games rooms
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I thought you had to be a charity to get a .org domain, but apparently not https://fight2survive.org/ Guy puts "ex British army" after his name, so people don't get confused. Gotta signal that this is a good public protest, not like all those other jso hippies E: a lot can change in a year. Did a similar thing last August, but his sole focus was cost of living. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-62503572.amp Now he's tacked on some anti uluz stuff. https://fight2survive.org/phase-1 Down the rabbit hole he falls. Phase 1 looked like a fairly agreeable set of demands. Phase 2 is where the internet has ruined his brain DreddyMatt fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Pretty harsh behaviour from your mother in law there. Did you forget to use a coaster?
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How is Kelvin Mackenzie talking about anyone's career trajectory?
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Local government making noises about making it be rebuilt brick by brick using the same materials and not allowing a change of use for the site. But lol if you think that's going to be enforced
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Necrothatcher posted:This does actually happen: Wow, good things are possible (Loosest definition of 'good', but you gotta take what you can get I suppose)
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University conservatives society gala ball E: "This isn't Google"/"Don't post your search history" etc DreddyMatt fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Aug 8, 2023 |
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