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qirex posted:that's all there is. people have been chasing this for decades and it turns out it's not actually good at much besides being another screen idk man that magic leap poo poo would be badass and i dont see why they cant make it happen with this thing unless there's something they're not telling us
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r u ready to WALK posted:I don’t get why they didn’t add a bunch of ddr5 slots in the new Mac Pro and marketed the unified memory as up to 192gb of l2 cache and vram instead Presumably any enterprise SSD you chuck in there will be equivalent to the performance of DDR memory being outside the CPU package.
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rotor posted:things i want to do with an AR headset: what about facetime with life-size representations of your contact's torso
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Beeftweeter posted:like, if you can use those cameras to just take pictures or video it might be kinda useful to me personally but not if it's as much as a really good mirrorless system + a couple lenses it can take stereo pictures and video and they're displayed in 3D inside the headset
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haveblue posted:it can take stereo pictures and video and they're displayed in 3D inside the headset ok it will definitely be used for porn then
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rotor posted:things i want to do with an AR headset: 
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ikea cabinet build instructions but in AR would be fuckin tight, i could potentially finally assemble something right the first time
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rotor posted:idk man that magic leap poo poo would be badass and i dont see why they cant make it happen with this thing unless there's something they're not telling us magic leap reels were all fake though. you can't realistically make content that actually adapts to anything besides "put something on a flat surface"
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Expo70 posted:shame you can't do anything with them agree op disappointing that there was no secret killer app, only the same sort of stuff that meta already showed but executed better
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rotor posted:* display live tips about how to use a device overlaid on the device itself this was what AR was supposed to be for, looking at stuff and being able to dive deeper into it instantly without taking your eyes off it it turns out humans get really skeeved out by the even the possibility of someone doing it to them
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qirex posted:you can't realistically make content that actually adapts to anything besides "put something on a flat surface" I'm not sure thats true any more
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haveblue posted:this was what AR was supposed to be for, looking at stuff and being able to dive deeper into it instantly without taking your eyes off it ??
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rotor posted:idk man that magic leap poo poo would be badass and i dont see why they cant make it happen with this thing unless there's something they're not telling us the magic leap poo poo like the whale jumping out of the floor was completely fake, and you know it because there is no way you can use an illuminated screen to make part of the outside world darker. AR in its current state can project glowing lines over the world but it can't make a dark blue whale appear floating in front of you. unless you do a total stereo video passthrough as apple is doing here, but that's not what magic leap was selling.
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i could agree to using itunes on the thing but only! if they crank that skeumorphism dial until it breaks
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rotor posted:I'm not sure thats true any more but apple and disney with all the resources in the whole rear end world can't do it?
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rotor posted:I'm not sure thats true any more granted what we saw were all mockups but they didn't even show that. in fact i'm not sure we saw anything interact with anything, just covering up real stuff
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Sagebrush posted:unless you do a total stereo video passthrough as apple is doing here, but that's not what magic leap was selling. I am aware that the magic leap poo poo was all fake, my point is that it is now possible/likely possible with this new apple device but it is worrying that we dont have demos for it
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rotor posted:ikea cabinet build instructions but in AR would be fuckin tight, i could potentially finally assemble something right the first time one of my grad students built a prototype of this and i really hope he takes it further and i'm baffled that none of the big companies have done it yet. it's such an insanely obvious application
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Sagebrush posted:one of my grad students built a prototype of this and i really hope he takes it further and i'm baffled that none of the big companies have done it yet. it's such an insanely obvious application if you make $10 per cabinet spending 5 million dollars making an ar manual that only the world's wealthiest people can use isn't money well spent
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i will also say that "on a plane" is a good pitch. not about to pay for it, but i'd enjoy some deep immersive poo poo on just about any kind on a plane.
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ikea even already has an AR app, but it just lets you see a tiny video on your phone of what the furniture would look like against that wall
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rotor posted:i really wish they had talked & demo'd more about the AR abilities and a lot less about watching movies and answering email. nobody but nobody has a use case for these things that isn't games or maybe meetings, but strapped to your face
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qirex posted:but apple and disney with all the resources in the whole rear end world can't do it? idk man i'm seeing a shitload of sensors and cameras and poo poo and ARKit is pretty robust so I am left wth a couple options: (1) all that poo poo doesnt really work very well or (2) this demo was premature and they dont have a lot of good demo content yet None of these seem really likely.
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apple has spent years and billions of dollars employing hundreds of very smart people on this and "powerpoint floating in space" is the best they could come up with
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I would go with 2, this device has been so secret there are so few third party devs working on it
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infernal machines posted:nobody but nobody has a use case for these things that isn't games or maybe meetings, but strapped to your face though that *might* be shareholder talk and there might yet be stuff that makes no money but is neat. though that pitch is way way better if it didn't cost $35 million
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rotor posted:av/post combo is v strong here I need somebody to photoshop eyes on this av's goggles
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haveblue posted:I would go with 2, this device has been so secret there are so few third party devs working on it this is my guess but i could certainly be wrong
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Pulcinella posted:Triple posting but… Man, it kills me so bad. the fact we don't split front and back end of "real" software the same way we do the web is both really good (security, privacy) but really bad (coherence, latency, interoperability) the way i try explaining this is as if you had a polymorphic dashboard of primitives which can read stuff going on in a software you can't see and then just hook into and display or input relationships between those values and tweak those of others like sort of ux gloop that has some context inference and understands what its dealing with and can sort of envelop different portions of those softwares and pass information between them -- so software just sort of melts together and the boundary between something like blender and unreal engine or a laptop and a desktop in the same space just disappears -- like api discovery on steroids between desktop programs, where they can share spit-swap memory the same way they share files with some sort of master scheduling system for project objects between programs in realtime without the clumsiness of copying and pasting, or arbitrary datatypes by passing them through different analogues or something like the revolution the operating system brought to computers initially, but *again* from scratch with all the lessons of human limitation and hindsights likewise, the separation of compile-time and runtime was not something i was raised with and the fact you have to stop to change something instead of being able to change it safely while running costs so much time like the entire way we think about human/computer interaction feels like its locked in ideas from the 1980's and it just won't ever move on i gave a talk once like 10 years ago in london on this at some stupid event for yuppies when and i made the mistake of actually saying things i really thought to a room of technocrats which totally went over their heads the cow-eyed looks i got basically told me "i can't even explain this adequately, let alone build it, so this isn't happening in my lifetime"
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i will also say that "on a plane" is a good pitch time to barf any% speedrun WORLD RECORD
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rotor posted:idk man i'm seeing a shitload of sensors and cameras and poo poo and ARKit is pretty robust so I am left wth a couple options: both seem incredibly likely, idk what you're talking about
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haveblue posted:I would go with 2, this device has been so secret there are so few third party devs working on it we've known about this thing for literally years
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qirex posted:apple has spent years and billions of dollars employing hundreds of very smart people on this and "powerpoint floating in space" is the best they could come up with the richest company on earth didn't bother hiring a couple of game devs or cg artists to make a really cool sizzle reel demo?
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rotor posted:idk man i'm seeing a shitload of sensors and cameras and poo poo and ARKit is pretty robust so I am left wth a couple options: I'll add (3) "unique" content is so difficult and expensive to make it's not worth doing. we've had VR and AR for basically a decade now and there's some games and the ikea app that draws a kallax in your living room Sagebrush posted:the richest company on earth didn't bother hiring a couple of game devs or cg artists to make a really cool sizzle reel demo? that was supposed to be the disney sizzle reel
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:though that *might* be shareholder talk and there might yet be stuff that makes no money but is neat. though that pitch is way way better if it didn't cost $35 million and also $3500 a unit you don't generally create weird art with a $3500 paintbrush. i mean you could, but on average that's not going to select for the people creating weird art
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infernal machines posted:both seem incredibly likely, idk what you're talking about
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