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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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I like that you started this thread, Acebuckeye13, and it will be fun to watch these morons try to out patriot each other.

But the fact that there are so many GOP candidates (already), IMO, basically hands the nom to Trump. Whether he's indicted or not. There's not going to be much suspense here is what I'm saying. It's like a Rocky movie at this point.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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In "Candidates With No Shot" news, here's a recap of Chris Christie's town hall if anyone cares

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/12/politics/chris-christie-cnn-town-hall-takeaways/index.html

H'e not Trump, but he agrees with Trump. He is cool with abortion laws but thinks they should be up to the states and who knows? And he won't say if Trump is worse than Biden but he himself is good and should be president, basically.

Kind of hosed up when he's the most reaspnable Reupblican right now but, well.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Chris Christie finding out what modern GOP evangelical christianity is all about

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/chris-christie-shouts-down-trump-172713912.html

Chris Christie Shouts Down Trump Supporters at Evangelical Conference: ‘You Can Boo All You Want’

quote:

Chris Christie drew boos at an evangelical conference on Friday when he told attendees that Donald Trump had “let us down.”

“I’m running because he’s let us down,” the 2024 Republican presidential hopeful said of the former president, who has been charged with 37 counts relating to the Espionage Act after failing to return several boxes of hundreds of classified documents he had taken from the White House.

“He has let us down because he’s unwilling. He’s unwilling to take responsibility for any of the mistakes that were made and any of the faults that he has, and any of the things that he’s done. And that is not leadership, everybody. That is a failure of leadership.”

That’s when the crowd began to boo. “You can boo all you want,” Christie continued, eventually drawing cheers and applause after saying, “But here’s the thing: Our faith teaches us that people have to take responsibility for what they do. People have to stand up and take accountability for what they do.”

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Meatball posted:

Christie, to the hooting masses, he never made a mistake and has no faults. They think he's perfection. He'd probably still win the nomination if he was dead.

"Boooooo, this man conflating Christianity with character and morality!"

I know that evangelical christians have been terrible assholes for a long time but to ultimately settle on Donald J. Trump as their messiah - a man who openly and publicly commits at least one of the seven deadly sins every hour of his life - is still amazing to witness.

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I love how horrible rear end in a top hat Chris Christie is now the new model for a Reasonable Republican too. Who was it last time? Kasich I guess?

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jun 27, 2023

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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cross post from USCE

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It doesn't really matter because there is a 0.0001% chance that Mike Pence wins the primary, but he explicitly came out and endorsed the idea that you need to raise taxes on the bottom 50% and cut them for "the rich" that most Republicans are smart enough to cloak a little.

He took the Mitt Romney position (roughly half of Americans pay no federal income tax - this is bad and they need to pay some taxes to get skin in the game to get them excited about tax cuts) and combined it with "I don’t really buy into the rich need to pay their fair share."

I don't think this is even an especially popular position among the Republican base.

He is definitely not running for a VP slot, so it becomes even more confusing why he decided to end his career this way.

https://twitter.com/American_Bridge/status/1676643909391228950

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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God what a poo poo show

First GOP debate next month faces threats of boycott as lower-polling candidates scramble to qualify


quote:

NEW YORK (AP) — Seven weeks before the premiere debate of the 2024 GOP primary, anxiety is building that the event could prove messy and divisive for the party.

Some candidates, like former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, are struggling to meet fundraising and polling requirements to make it on stage. He and others are pushing back on a loyalty pledge the Republican Party is insisting candidates sign to participate. And the race's frontrunner, former President Donald Trump, is considering boycotting and holding a competing event instead.

That's turning what is typically the highly anticipated opener of the election season into a source of uncertainty for the candidates and broader party. The frustration is particularly acute for candidates who hoped to use the forum as a powerful opportunity to confront Trump and try to blunt his momentum.

“If the outcome of all of these machinations is a very limited field and no Trump in the first debate, it's hard to see how that can be successful," Hutchinson said in an interview. Still, he said he was confident he will make it to the stage, even though he said he has only received contributions from “over" 5,000 donors.

This is all about Trump and these people at least trying to act reasonable and poo poo need to realize what they've created, a cult, and that their voters are full on all about it.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

If you asked someone to sum up DeSantis' campaign message in less than 5 words, could anyone do it? Could you get 80 out of 100 people to give you the same answer when you asked them?

Something along the lines of "Florida is Doing Great!"

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Edgar Allen Ho posted:

people make cracks about states like Ohio or Jersey but goddam, becoming more like Florida sounds downright ominous, even from a fellow lovely red state

Agreed. As a resident I can tell you that the state (or at least where I live) is getting dumber, meaner and less affordable but, in conservative ideology, is held up as a shining beacon of Freedom because they stayed open for business during Covid and only 89,000 people died.

The worst thing happening here, that's especially related to the free market, is that pretty soon it will become impossible to insure a home, and not just on the coast. Which is gonna get real weird legally when mortgage owners are required by law to have it but no company in the country will offer it. I'm wondering what happens then? My understanding is that the bank just buys it somewhere for you but that doesn't sound too great and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that it will be just a tad expensive.

DeSantis is doing jack poo poo about it (too busy fighting Disney and schools) and I'm not sure what can be done short of some kind of non profit/public option model but that's a non starter for the free market conservatives here.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

There already is a non-profit/public insurer in Florida, but it is only available if you can't get a policy from anyone else. FEMA redid their flood insurance policies in 2021 to stop fully subsidizing people who build in flood zones and make claims every 3 years, so now the Florida state fund is slowly on track for bankruptcy because the state government knows it is a losing battle and doesn't want to raise taxes to dump in there. Going to be interesting to see how that looks in 15 years.

That's correct. It's means tested or something close where you can only get it if competing policies are 30% or above the subsidized rate. My uneducated guess is that the insurance companies that do insure will just quote that rate. And 30% is pretty high.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Mooseontheloose posted:

Someone asked me how do you do the Trump routine without acknowledging the big lie, which is admittedly hard.

Trump "routine" you say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAOLyi_4AbQ

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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LOL at Trump calling people fat. Next, he'll make fun of someone's ridiculous comb over or garish spray tan

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Ron DeSantis - in his new more relatable and human form - is having his wife give interviews to stress his humility and compassion.

The two examples she gave of his humility and compassion during their 14-year marriage were:

1) He took her out to dinner as a surprise in 2014.

2) After she was diagnosed with breast cancer, he would pick up their kids from school on days when her cancer treatment was scheduled at the same time as their kids' school or sports.


https://twitter.com/VABVOX/status/1689358167975534592

Wow! When I was married and my wife had a seizure and couldn't legally drive for six months, I took her to and from and work every day and did all the driving. So I'm a hero. Can I run for president now?

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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DeSantis announces new campaign platform

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkazdm/iraq-banned-words-homosexuality-gender

Florida Has Banned the Word ‘Homosexuality’ From Its Media

quote:

The words “homosexuality” and “gender” have been banned in Florida by its media and communications regulator, highlighting the worsening status of LGBTQ people in the country.

all media outlets and telecommunication providers must now use the phrase "sexual deviancy" instead of “homosexuality.” It did not specify what terms should be used instead of “gender.” The CMC said it would take action against any company that violated the new rule, without specifying the nature of penalties.

Oh, wait. Sorry. This is in Iraq.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It had a majority of justices appointed by a Republican since the 1970's. But, those Republican appointments included people like Souter, Blackmun, and John Paul Stevens (who eventually became liberal bloc leaders on the court). They didn't get a full 5-vote majority of extremely conservative justices until the GWB-era.


Republicans have appointed 2/3 of the current Supreme Court in spite of only winning the popular vote twice in the last 35 years.

Also, as of July 18, 2023, of the 179 Courts of Appeals judges, 91 were appointed by Republican presidents, compared to 81 by Democratic presidents.

They also hosed Merrick Garland out of a hearing by just pretending he didn't loving exist.

So what I'm saying is that the higher courts don't represent the overwhelming will of voters.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Is there a separate debate thread for this godforsaken shitshow tonight that I'm not going to watch?

Do we have a bingo card?

- socialism
- laptop
- Hunter
- pedophiles
- Weaponized DOJ/FBI
- China too easy/free space
- Election fraud
- Border Wall
- Chicago/NY/SF
- BLM/Antifa
- Pelosi

Only thing I'm remotely interested in is Chris Christie getting booed relentlessly for daring to suggest that Donald Trump is a liar, a con man and a felon who's unfit for office. Not sure what world I'm living in where a ghoul like Christie is the biggest voice of reason on a national stage of GOP presidential candidates, yet here we are. Interested to see which other candidates aren't total pussies who will also call out Donald. They have to take him on since he's leading by a mile and his absence is the elephant in the room but they CAN'T because their base is an insane, brainwashed cult and it's also probably best if they can somehow ignore him while still attacking him. Somehow.

I want one of the questions to be to asked of Desantis or anyone else up there to please give us examples of all the "pornographic" children's books littering our school libraries. Because I've searched and can't find a definitive list (even a top 10) of these horrible works of deviant literature and I'd like to check this objectionable material out for myself.

Anyone with pdfs, scans or even titles of this horrible filth, please post them.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Google Jeb Bush posted:

I'll toss up a watch thread

Link

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4040285

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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VorpalBunny posted:

Anyone have a good video of Desantis getting booed at the Jacksonville photo op today? I've only read about it

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ron-desantis-booed-jacksonville_n_64ec09c5e4b05b73949db94b

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/gov-desantis-booed-at-vigil-for-jacksonville-shooting-victims-191702597808

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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DarklyDreaming posted:

This is clearly a joke but there really was a gap between "I'm not Trump but I'm still a Republican" and "So what exactly are your policy goals?" where it actually looked like he was something resembling a frontrunner :v:

gently caress "Woke" Things

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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smackfu posted:

You cannot strike out the words “strike out”!

Yeah, that's what got me too.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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bloodysabbath posted:


I hope I’m wrong but I do think Trump is absolutely going to win in 2024.

Same. And it kind of bugs me when I see so many people writing off the possibility

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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The real problem for Joe, as I see it, is two fold:

- Biden is almost as unpopular as Trump. He was a weak candidate in 2020 and a weak candidate now. No one finds him inspirational at all, not even Democrats (many of whom don't even want him to run), and this round he's going to have his put his clearly reduced cognitive abilities on a more national stage

- Trump has a much larger base that would, in fact, still vote for him if he shot someone on 5th Avenue, just like he said. In a sane country, someone with 91 felony charges who said that, led an attempted coup on the country and acted like he did would be Walter Mondale levels of hosed. But we are not a sane country anymore and the grip that Donald has on his party is 100% unwavering. It's a cult. They'll vote for him if he's in loving jail. His base I mean.

Joe can tout "Bidenomics" and the unemployment numbers all he wants but, fact is, people are simply not feeling it in their day to day lives. I'm not. I cut my budget every month and have largely stopped eating meat. I seek out gas stations that have 5 cent lower prices. I've taken to attempting my own home and car repairs with what I can glean off YouTube and shop at Dollar stores, garage sales and thrift shops more often than not these days. I've reduced my home insurance coverage to the bare minimum and have put off going to the dentist as well as the doctor.

Writing off Trump's chances again is foolish and a repeat of the same mistakes and overall mindset many had in 2016. I played around with The Road to 270 electoral map, flipped a few states that are well within reason of going the other way this time and came away realizing that it's not far fetched at all.

If I were betting who would I gamble on? Biden, certainly, but to my eyes the 2024 election is going to be an even bigger poo poo show than 2020, regardless of the outcome. Reminder that roughly 70% of Republican voters STILL believe the last election was stolen and that fraud was widespread. I don't know if we get another 1/6 that's ramped up this time or what but that wouldn't shock me either. If it's not that, it probably will be smaller, more locally focused and widespread "uprisings" and intimidation tactics.

Whatever it is, these nuts are not just going to sit there and accept it if they're god king loses again (or is jailed) and, from my perspective, GOP voters are measurably more fired up to vote right now. Maybe the prospect of DJT2.0 will be enough to drive turnout for the dems again but I'm not banking on it.

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God drat. Republican graphic design sucks rear end.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Sep 30, 2023

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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small butter posted:

Good points

EDIT:
Do we actually have any evidence of Biden's cognitive decline since 2020? Most of what I've seen are snippets that are out of context, or parts of much larger speeches in which Biden seems perfectly normal.

Well, it seems fairly obvious to me and I'm not much into receiving my news through out of context RWM clips demonstrating it.

You raised some good points and you're probably right overall.

Biden also has (had) the slight "advantage" as not being hated as much as Hillary Clinton - a person who was roasted over a slow fire for 20+ years - for rage minded conservatives to vote AGAINST. But I'm not sure that's true anymore. I think that Biden was just a guy; a familiar name that was bolstered a bit by his direct association with Barrack Obama. But NOW, the Hunter Biden/Burisma stuff is making headlines and the RWM noise machine is beginning to paint him with that same Hillary brush and a lot of it is landing/permeating the discourse. At least in my circles. Could just be regional bias on my part.

And Trump's viability has not BUDGED one % point, despite being indicted on 91 felonies, a sexual assault conviction and a fraud verdict in NYC. Many MANY people view Biden and Trump as equally corrupt, right or wrong, and when things aren't going too great the tendency is to vote for the other person. Now, in this case, the other person is a known commodity so Trump doesn't have that blank slate outsider thing to work with and, granted, the DISLIKE of Trump is higher than Joe's. So I dunno.

This thing shouldn't even be CLOSE but here we are, you know?

You're right that Trump's base alone is not enough but part of the reason he won in 2016 (along with the Hillary Buttery Mails and misogyny) was tapping into people who normally don't vote at all. And the thing about his base is that it's RABID. I don't remember a political candidate in my lifetime that could claim that level of unwavering dedication from that large a group of people. Not even Reagan or Nixon, who both won in landslides.

This country is mean spirited, angry, uneducated, uninformed, heavily armed, deeply brainwashed, selfish, scares and increasingly ugly and desperate. What better totem than Trump to reflect that in the highest office? Nixon was run out on a rail as a national disgrace 50 years ago for FAR less. The fact that Trump is even on the ballot and is now spawning imitators should make us all stop and think, really, and have us looking at politics through a different, less traditional lens.

I'm not doom posting here. I'd put Trump's chance at roughly 40-45% based on the electoral map.

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Who even is this Vivek guy? I never even heard of.hij until he got on stage

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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small butter posted:

I think you're overestimating how many people are like this vs appalled at these people. Who don't want these people to win. I think less are mean-spirited than more, hence Trump losing the popular vote twice and a Republican winning it only twice in my lifetime (and Trump is destined to lose the popular vote again). But yes, a lot of people in this country are raging freaks. It's just that they're often congregated in the right states to be successful.

https://abcnews.go.com/538/democrats-winning-big-special-elections/story?id=103315703

Yeah, like I said, it could just be a regional bias type of thing on my end. Thing is, though, even if it's not, there's still a hell of a lot more of the former that are like this and it concerns me a great deal. I've never seen a political candidate that had people flying giant flags on their trucks or jabbed into the sand at the beach like this idiot has created with his cult followers. I've NEVER seen this. TBH, it frightens me. I would almost get it if it was all for a person that was smart, clever and had his poo poo together in some particular way but Trump is just an abject pathological lying moron who hugs flags, breaks the law and talks about loyalty. Race to the bottom and all that.

The party of law and order worships a man charged with 91 felony counts.

I remember RWM going on about how much liberals and democrats fawned over Barrack Obama and, while there was admittedly some of that, at least I could see the attraction but it was nothing like what I'm seeing now.

Worse, moving forward, I think we're staring down decades of Trump Lite (or Trump MEGA TURBO) political candidates from the GOP trying to capture his lightning as opposed to a shift towards more "reasonable" candidates like traditional old school Romney/Bush republicans, who were monsters in their own right to start with. My tolerance/dislike of the Republican primary candidates are basically completely upside down compared to their polling numbers. Things are going to continue to degenerate and get worse, the way I see things. So, even if Republicans can't win elections NOW, eventually the voters are going to rightfully grow weary of their lives inevitably getting worse and if, like you said, the Dems are in charge during that phase since the GOP can't win, EVENTUALLY they're going to flip the lever to the other side in a two party system.

Also, the Electoral College and gerrymandering, combined with voter restrictions going on right now are showing us that they don't even need a majority to win. Plus, look what they've done with SCOTUS.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Crazyweasel posted:


I’m not saying there isn’t work to do to make sure Biden wins in ‘24, but you have to think about how many people actually think life would improve under a Trump admin, when we all know inflation is baked into the economy no matter who wins, and then vote that way.

The RWM sources I've heard somehow blame rampant inflation on the COVID checks that went out and also entirely blame Biden for that even though the majority of the money that went out was under Trump. He even signed the loving checks.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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The graphic design is still making me angry that someone got paid for it .

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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daslog posted:

I fear that today's mailers won't make you feel much better.


You were correct.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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smackfu posted:

Ha, they screwed up their little icons. They repeated the balance one so the cutting tape one isn’t on “slashed red tape.”

Balanced red tape

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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daslog posted:

Was on a business trip for a few days and came back to this one from Vivek. At first glance, I thought it was an ad for a comedian.




It kinda is.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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skeleton warrior posted:

And as a result his entire campaign strategy has been "prevent defense" in trying to not lose votes or fall out of second place, and every football coach will tell you exactly how effective "prevent defense" is.

Of course, DeSantis' plan also involved him being seen as competent and presidential and we've seen how well he achieved that, too.

You can only play prevent defense once you're well ahead so, yes, a really dumb campaign strategy. Like others have said, I think he was counting on Trump's legal issues and poo poo removing him from the race but, like most GOP politicians, he's dealing with the rabid frankenstein monster that the cult driven base has become.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Papercut posted:

While going up against MNF just to really make sure no one watches it

E: TNF lol

Nah...Republicans stopped watching NFL football once all the uppity dudes started kneeling for the flag and hating the troops.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Dapper_Swindler posted:

A lot of desantis support from chuds was conditional because he played the loyal lickspittle to trump and did hosed up poo poo they liked. the issue is he went for the king and missed and now he is traitorus extremes.

You're right. DeSantis would have to go get arrested a bunch of times and call more people losers to even approach the idea of chipping away at the Trump cult.

Misunderstood posted:

Yeah, there are probably too many good candidates, and (although I personally rate the state favorably) too many ways to say "California sucks," for Newsom to have any shot at the nomination in a competitive primary.

hmm...

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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loving crazy that the two most reasonable and palatable GOP candidates to my eyes are Nikki Haley and Chris loving Christie right now. It just keeps getting more weird with this party. I thought the 2016 and 2012 primaries were clown car poo poo shows but we can really see now how much the lunacy has penetrated the core of the party for what they need and who they must cater to in order to be elected to anything.

When assholes like Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney (plus Haley and Christie) are the grownups in the room making any kind of sense or behaving anything close to reasonable, we really have evidence of a continuing Overton Window shift that needs an entire foundational overhaul to move. I don't see how the constant doubling down and trying to out conservative the next person really ends anywhere other than 100% pure unadulterated fascism/authorianism, even assuming that we're not already there.

Which I think we mostly are and, sadly, I don't think we're going to stop it unless the dems can stop nominating candidates that aren't ones like Joe Biden. We all know it's a two party system, and I doubt that will change within my lifetime, but more and more we're looking at fascism and theocracy vs neoliberal centrism; and that center keeps moving right. People are so angry and frustrated right now that roughly 45% of the country sees no other alternative than a dictatorship and are living in a reality where Trump and the nonsense from RWM are fairly mainstream views. Do yourselves a favor and listen to just FIVE MINUTES of FOX or any radio talk show and try to imagine millions of people listening to that for 16b hours a day and NOTHING else. If one knows the history of how fascist dictatorships can take hold, and most of us here obviously do, America seems ripe for the picking right now.

The only inspiring candidates my party has run in my lifetime were Carter and Obama, not counting people I liked who lost the primary, and I don't see much on the bench that fires me up.

I truly don't see a way to unfuck this.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Zwabu posted:

Right Wing Media, the topic of your other thread, BiggerBoat, is in my view the primary reason behind the continuing rightward shift. Without it things would not only ratchet in one direction, the GOP would move back towards the center sometimes in response to a loss like in 2008, 2012, 2020 or 2022.

Totally agree. Advertising, which is what RWM and talk radio are, works and has a way of permeating discourse at a minimum and shaping thought on the top end. I don't think we have MAGA, Trump, 1/6 and a ton of other things without and its far reaching influence. It was one thing way back when where you had curmudgeons blaming Walter Cronkite for helping us lose in Vietnam or even hating on Dan Rather for botching a GWB story but now they just simply have their own version of the news. Alternative facts, etc. and now they hate the idea of a free press and the very foundation of the 1st amendment.

Social media isn't helping anything either, as has been pointed out.

I wander outside of my echo chambers now and then - a few times a week really - and the reporting, comments, topics and selective reporting is really something. Especially when I know that it actually LANDS. All I need to know about it, I can ascertain by simply overhearing conversations at work. The Rush Limbaugh model is 100% the modern GOP mold.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Dec 10, 2023

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Vivian Darkbloom posted:

It’s an incoherent answer that totally dodges the question. Seems like the right move for winning over Republicans.

She's trying to avoid alienating the CHUDS in her base who still fly confederate flags, call it 'heritage not hate' and who go around getting in people's faces telling them that the Civil War was about states' rights. Especially in South loving Carolina.

She's not an idiot. She knows the correct answer but, like you said, she just can't SAY it because the people she needs votes from are brain poisoned racists who still put "the South WIll Rise Again" and confederate bumper stickers on their trucks.

Zwabu posted:

The thing is, no matter where she is actually campaigning, she has to be paranoid to avoid a video clip that will alienate the huge number of “state’s rights heritage not hate” people in her party.

Essentially this.

Also lol at her moving on to the "Antifa Soros BLM UNdercover Plant 'Gotcha Question'" part of the explanation. Wonder if he was one of the secret operatives from Jan. 6?

It's nothing new. Remember when Sarah Palin called "what do you like to read?" a 'gotcha' question? The most innocuous, basic, harmless softball journalist question in the world that anyone could answer in a heartbeat was somehow this unfair attack on Pit Bull Soccer mom. Of course, in Palin's case, the problem was that she actually never loving reads anything at all besides maybe Facebook posts, Tweets and emails but all she had to loving say was "I don't get much time to read these days since I'm so busy governing, running my state, working hard for the AMerican peoples and trying to save the country".

She was too dumb to even have that answer locked/loaded/ready and made it look she was being picked on by pointy headed, mean, hard hitting journalists like *checks notes* Katie Couric.
...

"Hey, Zwabu and Vivian Darkbloom, either of you read any good books or news articles lately?"

Sorry if that question seems unfair. "No, not really" is an acceptable response.

God drat. I typically read a lot but even I haven't picked up a book in 8 months or so and I'm not embarrassed admitting that.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Dec 28, 2023

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

I wonder how Trump would have responded. Probably something just incomprehensibly stupid.

Not sure. But I know it would have been self aggrandizing at a minimum and pretty sure he would squeeze something about how much he loves Lincoln along with something about how much black people love him. Or he might just call the entire civil war fake news and call the reporter or whoever it was that asked about it a mean, nasty person who's being very unfair to him. And, whatever it was, it would have been something many people are saying and something something like no one has ever seen before in all of history because anything he does is always that.

It would be an attempt to sound smart in a way that might probably even give him credit for ending the Civil War or him talking about how, had he been president, it would have been solved better and far sooner with no bloodshed and black people would be rich and far better off now and he'd be on Mount Rushmore MAGA!

Fact is, I doubt Trump knows one loving thing about Lincoln or the Civil War and could honestly care less, but all the statues are glorious and all the generals tell him they wish he'd been president back then so they could go back in time and thank him with tears in their eyes. The glorious, wonderful times of America's Civil War that are wonderful and beautiful.

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GOD I hope he doesn't win. I can't take 4 more years of listening to that jackoff bullshit every loving day.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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FLIPADELPHIA posted:

Regarding the 31% of Republicans who don't think Trump would be fit for office if convicted, I'll loving believe it when I see it.

No doubt. And 31% is still way too low but, like you said, it won't matter because if he's convicted it'll be because the judge was biased and unfair or key evidence wasn't allowed or a jury had a democrat on it or it was in NYC/DC or what about Hunter Biden or...

"Poor Donald Trump was railroaded" basically

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Bellmaker posted:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/21/politics/new-hampshire-primary-poll-trump-haley-desantis/index.html

Trump went up from 39 to 50%
Haley went up from 32 to 39%
DeSantis is down to 6% :laffo:

It's over if this is accurate for Tuesday.

It's been over. The GOP is a cult and Trump is their leader, simple as that. They think he's anointed by God, that the FBI is a Deep State hell bent on taking him down, that the election was rigged and that 1/6 was Antifa BLM Soros Operatives. Seriously, more than half of every GOP voter honestly believes this. Trying to analyze polls and candidates through a traditional lens is absolutely 100% no longer possible, but people keep trying.

I don't think most people really grasp exactly what we're dealing with here, which is the complete abandonment of reason and truth - full stop - let alone tradition. None of this is loving normal and it's honestly unprecedented in my lifetime. I've been alive for the Nixon and Reagan landslides but neither was like this.

Phlegmish posted:

Wonder what he'd do if he dropped out. Endorsing Trump would be incredibly humiliating at this point, but he's just spent half a year calling Haley a treasonous China-loving bitch, so that'd be a hard sell too.

It doesn't matter. He'll absolutely endorse Trump, no one will care and he'll go back to destroying the State I live in.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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I heard an NPR segment today interviewing Republicans who will reluctantly pull the lever for Trump even though they say they don't want to. A lot of them, along with plenty of people I run into here in NE FL MAGA County, seem to say that they dislike both parties but Trump is "the only one they can trust" and someone who "looks out for the people" and I just...

I'm not sure where to start with that. Donald Trump doesn't give two shits about anyone but himself and the idea of him being trustworthy is a whole other level of delusion. He really did tap into a large segment of the "both parties bad" populace. And these people aren't wrong to point out that establishment politicians on either side of the aisle have let us down for decades but I'm not sure how they landed on Trump to be the baton carrier for trustworthiness and compassion for the little guy.

Jesus Christ.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I only have anecdotes not statistics-

but my experience is that the put-upon blue collar Trump supporter exists. I have worked and lived with them. It's been more night stocking at the local grocery store than cool jobs like hard-bitten coal miner, but still.

The majority though, that's people living off retirement pensions in like Jersey or Harahan if they're pro-suburb, more like Hudson Yards if they prefer Trump-style rich, driving (MAGA-bumper-sticker-laden) trucks that cost more than most americans make in a year and blitzing past children who have to dodge out of the way. That's the real Trump base. The gently caress-you-got-mines not the coal mines.

This pretty much describes my experience with MAGA culture as well.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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DaveWoo posted:

Yeah, Haley would've stood a very good chance of beating Biden in the general election. Too bad the Republican party threw that away.

I think Trump stands a good chance of beating Biden

Trazz posted:

I don't think Nikki Haley's problem is that she's a woman
Her problem is that she's Not Donald Trump
She simply does not have the juice to get 75 million Americans to vote for her, let alone debase themselves into a cult-like following for her

Like, do you really see family-shattering arguments occurring because of Nikki Haley?

100% this. Trump, at this stage, simply IS the GOP base and his rabid cult like following makes him unbeatable in a primary.

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