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Feels Villeneuve: Oct 7, 2007; Setter is Better.

like the stuff that makes threads poo poo to read is drama, hostility, slapfights etc. thats the whole point of giving people a "cool off" probation

# ? Sep 19, 2023 20:32

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 14:23

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Feels Villeneuve posted:

like the stuff that makes threads poo poo to read is drama, hostility, slapfights etc. thats the whole point of giving people a "cool off" probation

Especially if they are the kind of person who continues to have that be a problem

# ? Sep 19, 2023 21:19

Lovely Joe Stalin: Jun 12, 2007; Our Lovely Wang

The most productive probation I can remember getting was a sixer from The Saddest Rhino last Christmas. There was a lot of intense frustration with moderation in general at that time because of the QCS closure and Boxing Day Massacre stuff, and I was not posting placidly. The punishment was basically "I know why you're upset, but what you're saying isn't helpful, and I disagree with you."
It encompassed an acknowledgement of my feelings, explained why they could not let what I said pass, and also made clear that they disagreed with me. It was sincere, concise and reasonable. I have a lot of time for both Rhino and that sort of moderation because in two sentences the line was drawn, I was corrected, and I still felt treated like a person Maybe this sounds dumb, but I remember that they treated me that way and respect their authority for it.

To an extent I don't think duration matters anywhere near as much as delivery, sincerity, and accuracy when conveying what you are trying to intervene in. Harshness is generally counter-productive, as is being too laissez-faire. Sincerity, respect, and clarity will always get better results, in my opinion, even if you're just doing a sixer.

I've not moderated a community the size of any on SA though so I could also just be talking out of my arse. People do seem to disproportionately get the arseache over sixers.

# ? Sep 19, 2023 21:32

Leperflesh: May 17, 2007

The Saddest Rhino mods the sagas thread among other things and that is more of a job than I'd ever want to take on, he's a role model for the art of operating within the gray area.

# ? Sep 19, 2023 21:44

Leperflesh: May 17, 2007

Everyone please welcome Dwarf74 to full mod-hood! He's been operating as an IK across several threads for a long time now and doing a great job. Having a third mod on hand for TG should help us with coverage, vacations, etc. too.

# ? Sep 19, 2023 21:47

Hypnobeard: Sep 15, 2004; Obey the Beard

Leperflesh posted:

Everyone please welcome Dwarf74 to full mod-hood! He's been operating as an IK across several threads for a long time now and doing a great job. Having a third mod on hand for TG should help us with coverage, vacations, etc. too.

Congrats, you poor, poor bastard.

# ? Sep 19, 2023 22:07

Capfalcon: Apr 6, 2012; No Boots on the Ground,
Puny Mortals!

sebmojo posted:

Fwiw this is exactly the opposite message from the recent course of the thread, which has been saying don't de escalate, jump straight to probations lol

I think using sixers as de-escalation is fine, with the understanding that if people frequently get sixers for the same thing, some sort of step up is warranted.

Leperflesh posted:

Everyone please welcome Dwarf74 to full mod-hood! He's been operating as an IK across several threads for a long time now and doing a great job. Having a third mod on hand for TG should help us with coverage, vacations, etc. too.

My condolences. We'll remember you as you were, Dwarf74.

# ? Sep 19, 2023 22:08

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

Leperflesh posted:

Everyone please welcome Dwarf74 to full mod-hood! He's been operating as an IK across several threads for a long time now and doing a great job. Having a third mod on hand for TG should help us with coverage, vacations, etc. too.

# ? Sep 19, 2023 22:19

dwarf74: Sep 2, 2012; Buglord

Hypnobeard posted:

Congrats, you poor, poor bastard.

# ? Sep 19, 2023 22:24

Fajita Queen: Jun 21, 2012

Hypnobeard posted:

Congrats, you poor, poor bastard.

# ? Sep 19, 2023 22:43

Magnetic North: Dec 15, 2008; Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

Dwarf74 seems to have their head screwed on straight. Glad to see it.

# ? Sep 19, 2023 22:58

Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; College Slice

sebmojo posted:

Fwiw this is exactly the opposite message from the recent course of the thread, which has been saying don't de escalate, jump straight to probations lol

Personally my thinking is not to disagree with the idea that there could be more sixers, especially if people are being aggro in a way that requires immediate action, but I think also that in general that this doesn't mean to exclusively shift to sixers vs engaging to de-escalate.

To simplify I guess I'm saying I agree we could use more sixers (not that I've been hanging out in TG long enough to really know this for a fact based off of experience) but also that they shouldn't be the automatic response to an issue. I.e "Use hammers more often but not every problem is a nail."

Leperflesh posted:

I try to be clear with the difference between a "don't post this specific thing" sixer and a "chill with this dumb slapfight" sixer. I am in favor of clear probation reasons.

e. but any sixer reason can and will be challenged. "That wasn't a dumb slap fight I was just explaining very calmly" and also "and you didn't give those other people sixers after they all said I was being a dick" and so on and so on.

Yeah to be clear I'm not saying this is an issue with you as a mod or any other mod or IK in TG, I'm just stating my opinion in general what I think would be a good thing not that it is in response to something specific I've seen in TG.

Leperflesh posted:

Everyone please welcome Dwarf74 to full mod-hood! He's been operating as an IK across several threads for a long time now and doing a great job. Having a third mod on hand for TG should help us with coverage, vacations, etc. too.

Pour one out for Dwarves00 to 73 who had to be sacrificed to reach peak Dwarf. :cheerdoge:

# ? Sep 19, 2023 23:04

Major Isoor: Mar 23, 2011

Glad to see dwarf74 get some recognition! Congrats (and also, my condolences) :toot:

# ? Sep 19, 2023 23:38

Kai Tave: Jul 2, 2012; Fallen Rib

HKR posted:

your forums dot something awful dot com rap sheet isn't going to be used to deny you housing or job opportunities so I'm not sure why anyone would care that there are sixers on it. Frankly a clean rap sheet is far more suspicious.

The one reason I could see for this is to make it easier for mods to see at a glance which probations are for someone being an rear end in a top hat and which are to be disregarded.

# ? Sep 20, 2023 04:59

Mirage: Oct 27, 2000; All is for the best, in this, the best of all possible worlds

As someone who was a member of these forums when you could be banned because Lowtax had bad gas that day, a sixer is a gentle breeze. You young posters today grumble grumble.

Also, congratdolences Dwarf. Good luck and Godspeed.

# ? Sep 20, 2023 14:33

KingKalamari: Aug 24, 2007; Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack

I just wanted to add something to the discussion about moderation philosophy, reporting and the use of sixers: I think a lot of the reluctance to take action against problem posters is a holdover attitude from the pre-Jeffrey of YOSPOS era of the forums, when mods and admins throwing out bans arbitrarily and often was the norm. I think this has not just an effect on how the current mods approach the forums (Most of the active mods on here were active posters back in those days, so I wouldn't be surprised if their approach to moderation is at least subconsciously informed by the days when people could and would be banned at any moment) I think it also affects how some users approach the mods. As a poster who's been on these forums for a while, but doesn't post all that often or broadly across the forums, I find myself often reluctant to actually report problem posts because of my own memories of how moderation used to work back in the day where if you got on a mod's bad side they could just kick you off the site. I think something that some of us need to accept is that those days are over, the atmosphere of the forums is much different now and that action can be taken against problem posters without falling back into the Dirty Harry era of moderation.

At the end of the day, 6ers are not a big deal, and freely throwing them out as a warning to a poster who's getting a bit too heated in a discussion sends a message without being too harsh.

One thing that I will say, at the risk of sounding like a sycophant, is that I have always gotten the impression that the current moderation team approaches their role and the posters on this forum in good faith, which I think is very important.

HKR posted:

your forums dot something awful dot com rap sheet isn't going to be used to deny you housing or job opportunities so I'm not sure why anyone would care that there are sixers on it. Frankly a clean rap sheet is far more suspicious.

Let's also not forget that the code this forum runs on is ancient and held together with duct tape and collective will. Trying to change it to add another class of sixer that doesn't stay on a rap sheet is liable to cause the entire thing to fall apart or turn the population of another sub-forum into chickens during the full moon.

Leperflesh posted:

Everyone please welcome Dwarf74 to full mod-hood! He's been operating as an IK across several threads for a long time now and doing a great job. Having a third mod on hand for TG should help us with coverage, vacations, etc. too.

Congratularations!

# ? Sep 20, 2023 21:52

Splicer: Oct 16, 2006; from hell's heart I cast at thee
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Kai Tave posted:

The one reason I could see for this is to make it easier for mods to see at a glance which probations are for someone being an rear end in a top hat and which are to be disregarded.

I just spotted two people rapidly de-escalate a misunderstanding instead of going Full Posting Enemies and it made me semi-seriously wish there was like an un-sixer for being notably un-lovely.

No I don't mean a points system to buy off later probes this of all forums knows how points buy with flaws ends up.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 11:14

whydirt: Apr 18, 2001; Gaz Posting Brigade

I think they should be 1d6ers in Trad Games tbqh

# ? Sep 21, 2023 18:40

Harold Fjord: Jan 3, 2004

whydirt posted:

I think they should be 1d6ers in Trad Games tbqh

Yes. Yes. Probation Dice.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 18:49

Leperflesh: May 17, 2007

4d6, drop lowest. Minimum 3 hours, max 18, average 12.25.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 19:53

KingKalamari: Aug 24, 2007; Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack

Could we devise some kind of optional point-buy system for probations? For those of us who prefer to already have probation concept in mind beforehand?

# ? Sep 21, 2023 19:55

sebmojo: Oct 23, 2010; Legit Cyberpunk

I rolled 18 hours at home! P lucky really

# ? Sep 21, 2023 20:03

Kurieg: Jul 19, 2012; RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20

The worst part are the MAD probes where you need to have an 18 hour probe in multiple forums.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 20:04

GetDunked: Dec 16, 2011; respectfully

dwarf74 posted:

I bet your probe buttons don't even work idiot!!!!

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

# ? Sep 22, 2023 01:49

sebmojo: Oct 23, 2010; Legit Cyberpunk

GetDunked posted:

I bet your probe buttons don't even work idiot!!!!

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Looks like you were the one, who "got dunked"

# ? Sep 22, 2023 07:40

Major Isoor: Mar 23, 2011

Goodbye, clean rap sheet! :v:

# ? Sep 22, 2023 08:20

whydirt: Apr 18, 2001; Gaz Posting Brigade

When I hit level 8, I'm picking up a class feature that scales according to the number of probes on my rap sheet. It's from a villain NPC class, but I'm taking it because my character concept is dark and tragic.

# ? Sep 22, 2023 17:49

Splicer: Oct 16, 2006; from hell's heart I cast at thee
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whydirt posted:

When I hit level 8, I'm picking up a class feature that scales according to the number of probes on my rap sheet. It's from a villain NPC class, but I'm taking it because my character concept is dark and tragic.

If you splash into redditor at 6 you can hit the prereqs a level earlier

# ? Sep 22, 2023 17:56

Leperflesh: May 17, 2007

whydirt posted:

When I hit level 8, I'm picking up a class feature that scales according to the number of probes on my rap sheet. It's from a villain NPC class, but I'm taking it because my character concept is dark and tragic.

pff you only have four probations, and one of them is 16 years ago, are you really going to get utility out of that class feature anyway? Sure your backstory is all dark and tragic but it looks like you keep making lawful good choices except for when you took one level of rogue in 2020 (and your worst offense was being snarky to a PC who uncloaked and got banished to the nine hells).

# ? Sep 22, 2023 19:14

Splicer: Oct 16, 2006; from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Leperflesh posted:

pff you only have four probations, and one of them is 16 years ago, are you really going to get utility out of that class feature anyway? Sure your backstory is all dark and tragic but it looks like you keep making lawful good choices except for when you took one level of rogue in 2020 (and your worst offense was being snarky to a PC who uncloaked and got banished to the nine hells).

Part of the problem is it's one of those mother may I/powered by RP classes. It runs off probes and bans but probes and bans are entirely at DM discretion.

You're the DM btw.

# ? Sep 22, 2023 19:41

whydirt: Apr 18, 2001; Gaz Posting Brigade

Leperflesh posted:

pff you only have four probations, and one of them is 16 years ago, are you really going to get utility out of that class feature anyway? Sure your backstory is all dark and tragic but it looks like you keep making lawful good choices except for when you took one level of rogue in 2020 (and your worst offense was being snarky to a PC who uncloaked and got banished to the nine hells).

well I'm definitely not sharing my pizza rolls with you now

# ? Sep 23, 2023 03:25

Kestral: Nov 24, 2000; Forum Veteran

Most of SA seems to be neglecting its October duties, but we here know better. We maintain the Old Ways.

Time to become :spooky:

Traditional Graves :spooky:

# ? Oct 8, 2023 18:35

Ominous Jazz: Jun 15, 2011; Big D is chillin' over here
Wasteland style

TraditiGHOUL GRAVES and put a little vampire there

# ? Oct 8, 2023 19:14

Thranguy: Apr 21, 2010; Deceitful and black-hearted, perhaps we are. But we would never go against the Code. Well, perhaps for good reasons. But mostly never.