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Doesn’t she say something like “I don’t even have a vagina! And he doesn’t have a penis!” Earlier?
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so much stretching trying to turn a toy commercial written by a White Feminism Feminist into a Butlerian deconstruction of gender and not a jar in sight
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Feb 28, 2024 19:22
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Red Oktober posted:Doesn’t she say something like “I don’t even have a vagina! And he doesn’t have a penis!” Earlier? Yes, to the construction crew who cat-called her. I believe that is what SMG was getting at in this quote but typo'd what was supposed to be "since that's not at the end of the film but partway into the runtime." SuperMechagodzilla posted:Even act of saying “vagina” is unexceptional, since that the end of the film but partway into the runtime. Cojawfee posted:When you make a big effort post based on you misremembering a line in a movie. I would prefer this over making snarky low-effort posts because they won't bother reading others'.
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Feb 28, 2024 20:38
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They make a big deal about the lack of doll genitals, but the Kens in the movie clearly have nipples when the real life dolls don't, shaking my head at such an unforced error. I think the somewhat mixed reactions that do exist have a much more banal cause then the films somewhat confused gender explorations and that is that Ryan Goslings Ken is the best part of the movie by some distance and Barbies character stuff at the end pales at his stuff. Both in terms of emotional power, in the scenes where Gosling loses it, his big "I'm just Ken" song and dance bit, and just the humour surrounding him the entire film. The Barbies don't get anything like the Kens climatic musical flourish and in movie terms, their climax is a lot more staid and just, like, there. I think it also helps in that Barbie seems to somehow have to represent all female experience, which is impossible, but Kens whole deal is specific to him and doesn't somehow have to reflect real world men. In fact, a big part of the comedy remains the difference between Ken and the real world and Kens weird interpretation of patriarchy. Also, his headband, watches, sunglasses and coat outfit is supposed to be ridiculous but Ryan Gosling actually makes it look cool. But that works for just him, don't let anybody who isn't Gosling try that look, wouldn't work.
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Feb 28, 2024 21:04
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I thought that Ryan Gosling's look was intentionally that way. I vaguely recall some of the passersby checking him out appreciatively instead of snickering.
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Feb 28, 2024 22:20
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Pirate Jet posted:Yes, to the construction crew who cat-called her. I believe that is what SMG was getting at in this quote but typo'd what was supposed to be "since that's not at the end of the film but partway into the runtime." Correct, yes. Somehow, a chunk of the sentence got deleted - but the point is still pretty clear from "there are already multiple jokes about childbirth and puberty and whatnot," and the later part where I directly quote the line I was referring to (as a contrast to the ending gynecology joke). tokin opposition posted:so much stretching trying to turn a toy commercial written by a White Feminism Feminist into a Butlerian deconstruction of gender and not a jar in sight I get where you're coming from, but pure ideology is impossible. Even if the filmmakers are full TERFs whose intended point is that Barbie can only ever become a woman by being capable of childbirth or whatever, that interpretation of the film would still be false. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Feb 29, 2024 |
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Feb 29, 2024 01:11
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It could be called cheating that the movie uses its narrator and an overall loose relationship with the fourth wall to question its own premise, but more charitably you could call it having a dialogue with the audience and admitting its premise is an exploration of topics, not a definitive statement. Especially given the overt flaws of characters, dolls and humans, and the inherent contradictions of their existence are a major theme. Oddly enough, I feel that makes them more human. People are weird and contradictory, after all.
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Feb 29, 2024 03:00
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garycoleisgod posted:The Barbies don't get anything like the Kens climatic musical flourish and in movie terms, their climax is a lot more staid and just, like, there. There's a joke in here somewhere about men being too emotional to be in positions of power. Maybe that's a semi-intended goof, but not conveyed particularly well?
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Feb 29, 2024 05:34
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Not sure why it took me so long to remember the Ken from Toy Story 3, but while it's on my brain, feels kinda interesting how they take more or less an opposite tack that yet doesn't feel completely unfitting if you thought of them as following similar logic. Sunnyside Daycare has a Ken without Barbies, who has to try to define himself on his own terms, but has similar angst in feeling like an accessory without an identity of his own- but since he's living in Barbie's dream house, has Barbie's clothes, drives Barbie's car, etc, he seems to end up defining himself by his surroundings, becoming more Barbie than the actual Barbie, even writing in the trademark Barbie font. And while there's some kinda mean spirited jokes about his effeminate mannerisms, it still feels like an identity that's presented as valid and understandable, and Barbie herself doesn't really want to change any of that about him. Kind of a mirror to how in the end, the Barbies have clearly taken a liking to some of the aesthetics that the Kens have introduced in their regime, leaving some things unchanged or making them their own rather than removing them.
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I watched this last night, pretty funny! A lot of good jokes but faltered a bit when trying for more serious stuff. The stuff with the ghost of Barbie's creator didn't really work for me at all and only served to remind me that I was watching something that is, in part, an advertisement for Mattel. Still, most of the jokes landed pretty well and Gosling in particular was great. It also had some fantastic set design and cinematography.
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Flying Zamboni posted:Still, most of the jokes landed pretty well and Gosling in particular was great. It also had some fantastic set design and cinematography.
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Mar 17, 2024 19:05
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Poor Things had amazing costumes & sets. Better than Barbie? Personally, I thought it was a toss-up. 
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Mar 17, 2024 19:09
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The sets for Barbie were cool, the houses were neat. The sets for Poor Things are really crazy with how much effort they put into them.
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I love CEO Will Ferrell casually mentioning the ghost has an office in Mattel HQ.Cojawfee posted:The sets for Barbie were cool, the houses were neat. The sets for Poor Things are really crazy with how much effort they put into them. Kinda apples to oranges really, the movies are doing such different things.
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