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Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

The Helios ending is the only good one.

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Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

But it's not a person, it's a god. A benevolent machine god that offers the next stage of human evolution, breaking the cycle of oppression and control. Also since I, the player, am JC then of course I see myself as the cool machine god. And it's the most cyberpunk ending, mirroring the ending of Neuromancer and Ghost in the Shell. Illuminati ending is stagnation, an infantile retreat into the past, while the Dark Age ending is anarchist drivel that doesn't understand how power relations develop in the first place.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

In Alpha Centauri you replace merging with the computer with merging with the planetary superconsciousness.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Originally I think the dip wasn't a hard game over but they realized it would be unfeasible to create a whole section where you play as a Super Mutant. That said, while The Master is a gestalt consciousness his army wasn't and also the Fallout 2 thing is just a joke and not canon (like 40% of the content in that game).

Now the real question is: which ending of New Vegas is best?

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

The Tong ending doesn't understand how class society forms and perpetuates itself, it's the most childish ending. It thinks you can achieve liberation through vandalism. The Illuminati ending is liberalism, "the system as is is fine, we just need good people in charge instead of bad people" etc etc. The thing about Helios is that it already exists, we already have a totalizing machine algorithm that controls all of society - it's capitalism. Bending the machines back to human will and human aims instead of the other way around is the goal of socialism. Helios desires to take the administration of society away from human ambition, to turn it into an "industrial age machine." To make the governance automatic and reflexive, functionally apolitical, is the first step of the 'withering away of the state' as described by Marx and Engels.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

It's not Borg-like, that would be the Omar. They still have their individuality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBeoreJr4Yc

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Typo posted:

Tong prob didn't even read what happened in the first dark age where society collapsed

lots of people died and the societies which replaced the Roman Empire or the Hittites wasn't any better

maybe he was just reading modern historians who see all the mass death and economic collapse and write things like "actually the dark ages didn't exist, the roman empire didn't collapse, it was just a period of institutional transformation and new cultural development"

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

If you want to avoid the collapse of the roman empire, the solution would seem to be not starting the roman empire.

Might as well argue that if people don't want to suffer they shouldn't be born. All human endeavor will be destroyed by entropy sooner or later so I guess it doesn't matter.

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Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

it was just the flu, bro

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