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When I played it to completion I chose the helios ending, as I recall it seems pretty good, everyone turns into a kind of collective consciousness and seems pretty well off all told. I think it's less "become AI dictator of the world" and more "cause the singularity" which seems cool, and marxist. E: wait poo poo I'm thinking of deus ex invisible war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fr4aAu_Ryc OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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Yeah I forgot that the sequel basically has you re-do the ending from the first game. E: I might actually not have finished DE1 then, drat, I thought I had but I don't remember that bit.
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Jul 30, 2023 15:47
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I describe the helios IW ending as the most marxist one because yes, it involves a fundamental change in the material conditions of the world, it changes the nature of human existence and represents a similar technological leap to that which brought industrialization, and thus redefined class relations. That change again I think is the only one of the endings that would actually change anything. Destroying stuff could also represent that but the issue is that people would have a model towards which to rebuild and an existing societal structure which would favour the same developmental path again, and I think it's likely they would just do that rather than building something different, prisoners under the tyranny of history. The helios ending represents the only real step towards something different, whether you take the full IW ending into account or not.
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Aug 4, 2023 23:46
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He's a big rear end in a top hat though.
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Aug 11, 2023 22:17
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I feel like the alternative take would also necessarily be "the roman empire should have conquered everywhere and ruled forever" which at the very least is ahistorical. If you want to avoid the collapse of the roman empire, the solution would seem to be not starting the roman empire.
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Sep 1, 2023 18:58
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I can and have argued exactly that, but I would also suggest that "being born" and "invading and conquering everyone you see until your empire collapses under its own weight" are not equally objectionable actions.
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