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Admiral Bosch posted:I always found the ending to be super loving depressing. Don goes through all this horrendous, deeply painful psychological barrier breaking, having the guts to just leave mccann by walking away, giving his entire share of the sale to megan, giving away his car, winding up at the weirdo therapy camp on the coast, accepting himself for who he is, having an utter breakdown while talking to the only woman who really knows him, finding inner peace... and using that insight and experience to come back and sell coca cola. How intensely, deeply cynical. Because at the end of the day there's just not that much to Don. He's a walking bag of trauma filling out the nice suits he wears and he's clever and handsome enough to be successful in a world that's very shallow. Coming up with a great Coke ad is about all he was ever going to accomplish.
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Yep, but he was very bad at being a husband and father. He was good at writing ads.
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Saalkin posted:Which season ended with a look at where every character was and for Peggy she looked out her motel window to see to dogs loving. I'm not misremembering that? If I'm not, wtf did that mean?!
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Lane Pryce hanging himself is a pretty big event. God drat it. I'm watching this for the first time and I think this is just about to happen.
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Larry Cum Free posted:Because at the end of the day there's just not that much to Don. He's a walking bag of trauma filling out the nice suits he wears and he's clever and handsome enough to be successful in a world that's very shallow. Coming up with a great Coke ad is about all he was ever going to accomplish. seems like you guys don’t respect meditation and mindfulness very different interpretation, he found peace
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Crystal Thenis posted:seems like you guys don’t respect meditation and mindfulness It's a very, "I'm an ad man. That's what I am good at, and I am OK with that" kind of ending. I can't remember where I read this, but the opening credits sequence serve as a metaphor: his entire life is that office, surrounded by advertising, which slowly starts to fall apart as he falls deeper and deeper until he winds up on the couch in that office again. Larry Cum Free posted:Yep, but he was very bad at being a husband and father. He was good at writing ads. He was a bad husband but was he a bad father? I mean there's obviously trauma for them to unpack but I think the one group of people he was actually "himself" with were his own children. Obviously Sally started to see him differently once she got older and started to notice that he was a broken man, but he also absolutely refused to beat his own son for misbehaving because he knew that all it did was cause resentment. Obviously an alcoholic, though. No way Sally's rum pancakes could ever be that good.
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Saalkin posted:Which season ended with a look at where every character was and for Peggy she looked out her motel window to see to dogs loving. I'm not misremembering that? If I'm not, wtf did that mean?! i;m thinkibg about thos dogs
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He interacts with Bobby on screen like maybe 3 times. When him and Betty separate he gets babysitters to watch the kids for his rare parenting time so he can go on dates. When he gets remarried he just gets Megan to do all the parenting. Went to go pickup the birthday cake in the first season and came back 2 days later (with a dog at least!). Didn't follow through on taking Sally to The Beatles for reasons I don't remember. Had an affair with Bobby's teacher. Sally walked in on him banging the neighbour lady. My diagnosis? Bad Father.
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sebmojo posted:i;m thinkibg about thos dogs it was just an ironic contrast to 'i've made it ma, top of the world, expense account ad woman!' and the reality, with a bit of 'this is basically what advertising is about, just dangling desire in front of people. idk?
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Larry Cum Free posted:He interacts with Bobby on screen like maybe 3 times. When him and Betty separate he gets babysitters to watch the kids for his rare parenting time so he can go on dates. When he gets remarried he just gets Megan to do all the parenting. Went to go pickup the birthday cake in the first season and came back 2 days later (with a dog at least!). Didn't follow through on taking Sally to The Beatles for reasons I don't remember. Had an affair with Bobby's teacher. Sally walked in on him banging the neighbour lady. Yeah, you're right. Also, I just remembered Megan's constant spaghetti.
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Larry Cum Free posted:He interacts with Bobby on screen like maybe 3 times. When him and Betty separate he gets babysitters to watch the kids for his rare parenting time so he can go on dates. When he gets remarried he just gets Megan to do all the parenting. Went to go pickup the birthday cake in the first season and came back 2 days later (with a dog at least!). Didn't follow through on taking Sally to The Beatles for reasons I don't remember. Had an affair with Bobby's teacher. Sally walked in on him banging the neighbour lady. hey. he took bobby to see planet of the apes! and they watched it two times mofo
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It is odd to see him interact with his kids, since he treats them more like roommates.
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Extra Large Marge posted:It is odd to see him interact with his kids, since he treats them more like roommates. He despised his old man for being abusive and didn't want to do that. Problem is that Don Draper can also be an irresponsible person who bolts when things get too much for him. I also just remembered the scene where Sally's disgusted that Don's just taking her friend's obvious attempts at flirting with him before they head off for Model UN or whatever that was supposed to be. It's been a a while since I've watched it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQh_fSkHd80 It's a chip 'n' dip! We got two! That's practically four of something!
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Thinkin bout Roger firing Bert Peterson…twice. And enjoying the poo poo out of it. https://youtu.be/aXiaSovLtEY lol
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Do they ever explain why Pete is the only guy who speaks like a whiny baby back bitch from a 1930s radio broadcast?
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Admiral Bosch posted:I always found the ending to be super loving depressing. Don goes through all this horrendous, deeply painful psychological barrier breaking, having the guts to just leave mccann by walking away, giving his entire share of the sale to megan, giving away his car, winding up at the weirdo therapy camp on the coast, accepting himself for who he is, having an utter breakdown while talking to the only woman who really knows him, finding inner peace... and using that insight and experience to come back and sell coca cola. How intensely, deeply cynical. This is the average advertising person, yes Except less buy the world a coke and more manscaping podcast ad scripts.
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Windows 98 posted:Do they ever explain why Pete is the only guy who speaks like a whiny baby back bitch from a 1930s radio broadcast? He’s another hobo grifter and he just thinks that’s how rich people talk. He killed the real Pete Campbell at boarding school and his dumbass blue blood parents didn’t even notice that it was a different kid who came home.
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watched one episode he went to a porn theater and didnt jack off that's how boring it is
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i love Mad Men. i dunno if it's the best show i've ever watched, but it's probably my favorite.Quadramind posted:God drat it. I'm watching this for the first time and I think this is just about to happen. it's a total bummer of an episode with one of the funniest jokes the show ever did. scene below in the spoilers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxSBTAMyXeA
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The scene when don tells Megan about taking Bobby to see planet of the apes is really brutal. He doesn’t fall under Good dad or Bad dad. More just Not Present Enough dad
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Lane Pryce hanging himself is a pretty big event. In Mad Men, yeah, but in like The Walking Dead or Breaking Bad or whatever, not really. The show is probably closest to The Sopranos in its tone (ay, Tone!) and trust in its audience, although there are definitely more morons who got into The Sopranos than Mad Men. I never thought about this before, but its really interesting Don Draper never ended up in the "Alpha" memes alongside Tommy Shelby, Patrick Bateman and Walter White.
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Disco Pope posted:In Mad Men, yeah, but in like The Walking Dead or Breaking Bad or whatever, not really. The show is probably closest to The Sopranos in its tone (ay, Tone!) and trust in its audience, although there are definitely more morons who got into The Sopranos than Mad Men. I never thought about this before, but its really interesting Don Draper never ended up in the "Alpha" memes alongside Tommy Shelby, Patrick Bateman and Walter White. He was briefly. I think it's a combination of those types of people not watching the show and also Don's fall in season 4. pastor of muppets posted:Thinkin bout Roger firing Bert Peterson…twice. And enjoying the poo poo out of it. There's even a throw-away line about him being at McCann in one of the final episodes. I was going to say, "I like to think the implication is that Roger gets to fire him a third time" but honestly I forget what the actual deal with McCann-Erickson so I have no idea if Roger even got that authority.
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Disco Pope posted:I never thought about this before, but its really interesting Don Draper never ended up in the "Alpha" memes alongside Tommy Shelby, Patrick Bateman and Walter White. The show was pretty explicit about framing Don's behavior as harmful to himself and just about everyone in his life.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:The show was pretty explicit about framing Don's behavior as harmful to himself and just about everyone in his life. That doesn't stop those people usually.
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The only good thing about this show was it reminded me that Larisa Oleynik existed, she was my first celebrity crush.
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No. 6 posted:Show isn't good. Characters are boring and don't progress. Yes it's very realistic
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Hardawn posted:Nothing beats smoking a cigarette and thinking bout stuff, or smoking a cigarette and having a drink. I also have enjoyed smoking a cigarette after smoking a cigarette while waiting. light a cigarette with a cigarette and never stop
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Sane Women
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the plot to this show was “what if white people were at all stylish or interesting or like used to be” which of course we all know is a lie
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naem posted:the plot to this show was “what if white people were at all stylish or interesting or like used to be” which of course we all know is a lie haha that some people can be this silly and shallow
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McSpanky posted:Yeah, back then social and cultural trends didn't evolve nearly as quickly as they do now, except in moments of extreme social stress. There's a reason why most historians pin 1963 as the true start of The Sixties. Decades seem to culturally start and end a few years away the official dates. The Sixties began after Kennedy's assassination, the Beatles showing up and the March on Washington. I dunno when they ended. Nixon resigning? Porn chic?
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drhermes posted:Decades seem to culturally start and end a few years away the official dates. The Sixties began after Kennedy's assassination, the Beatles showing up and the March on Washington. I dunno when they ended. Nixon resigning? Porn chic? the 2000's started in 2001, but not until september the 2020's started in march of 2020 so it's getting faster
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The show is good. It even has an interracial couple from the start.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:The show is good. It even has an interracial couple from the start. lol yes
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Did this show perfectly bait me into wanting to see Pete finally get high and then give me exactly that? Seriously, it's so boring watching don get high and time travel, no matter what he takes. He seems like the worst person to get high with. The episode where they all get shot up with probably amphetamines ruled. Quadramind fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Aug 5, 2023 |
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don's response to everything is just to stare harder into the abyss if he ever accidentally has fun it sends him on a year long self-destructive spiral
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I love when the hitchhikers are like, "we gave Don enough drugs to tranquilize a bear but he's still upright, just conk him on the head" or whatever they did to him.
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