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YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Relentlessboredomm posted:

maybe, im counting on good old Bowles garbage coaching to defang any clear advantages

Look at the rest of the division…no way you’re losing enough games to this sad bunch of clowns to out suck Arizona.

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YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

kidcoelacanth posted:

2/3rds of the NFL doesn't have a QB worth a poo poo so i don't think it's as debilitating as one might think. if trask or mayfield can be like, not disasters, i think the bucs can be decent

I was a Baker defender for a long time but based on his last few years he’s a bottom 10 QB and Trask is probably even worse. I think the Buccs best case scenario is the Fisher era Rams where nobody expects much of them but they’re kind of frustrating to play and can sometimes drag good teams into the gutter with them.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

kidcoelacanth posted:

if i were an 11-5 team playing a 7-9 team in the playoffs i would simply win the game against the bad team, but maybe i'm just built different

That loss doesn’t really bother me. That team had the Super Bowl hangover all year and it was just a matter of time before it caught up to them.

2011 and 2018 loving sucked though. Those felt like teams that could have won it all.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Relentlessboredomm posted:

on the one hand, i can understand how that happens but on the other Bowles is bad cowardly HC and i dont know that it'll much matter who's OC

He’s been a head coach for five years and never had a good offense. Maybe he knew Leftwich was a lovely OC but there’s no evidence at all that he knows how to hire a good one or how to prepare a team to perform on that side of the ball.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

wandler20 posted:

You guys will have a legit shot at Marvin Harrison Jr and I hope that doesn't happen.

They don’t have a 1st next year.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

WampaLord posted:

He just threw a sweet TD to Evans, give him time, even Brady looked shaky in Week 1

He’s been in the league for like 5 years, there’s no mystery about who he is.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

WampaLord posted:

I'm not saying he's going to turn into Tom Brady I'm just saying I don't think he'll go 3 for 12 to start every game

I mean, he definitely won’t. But he will swing wildly between looking legit and looking awful with seemingly no rhyme or reason. He runs on vibes, for better or worse.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Alaois posted:

i know i know, box score doesn't tell the whole story or whatever, but Desmond Ridder's stats look completely fine/average???? i still don't understand why Falcons fans seem to resent him so much lol

If only every team with a rookie QB were as optimistic as Packers fans who are convinced “ironically” (it’s not ironic) that Jordan Love is a future HoFer because he didn’t poo poo his pants in two straight NFL games.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

really queer Christmas posted:

It's been two games

Yea, but he plays for the Panthers so that’s plenty of time for me to determine that he sucks and always will.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

really queer Christmas posted:

while im glad the meltdown loss didn't happen inside the division, id have much prefered it be to the lions. not the loving packers.

It was a pretty good possibility as soon as Jameis came in. Can’t just stop doing anything on offense and expect your defense to hold forever.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Relentlessboredomm posted:

Who’s talking poo poo? Saints collapse sucked since they had that game in hand and gently caress the packers but no bucs fan here thinks we’re gonna look good against the eagles

Hard to have the game in hand when you spent the whole second half not getting first downs.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Relentlessboredomm posted:

I mean up 17 points going into the 4th is game in hand to me.

In Saints fan land this is, to quote Kawalimus, “basically a tie.”

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

A.o.D. posted:

It's like he's trying to coach himself out of the hall of fame.

He wasn’t a lock to begin with but sure not helping his case now even though he probably couldn’t have known that Vance Joseph has apparently completely forgotten how football works.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

A.o.D. posted:

We'll see. It's one thing to lose a string of close games, it's another to get blown out week after week.

If he can rehabilitate Russ and the offense he’s not getting fired. They’re stuck with Russ, they need someone who can salvage him. The defense can be fixed with decent hire.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Relentlessboredomm posted:

Gonna be hard with no WRs but still

Chark and Theilen aren’t that bad, tbh. There are teams like the Texans or Colts or Rams making it work alright with some pretty questionable talent at WR.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Relentlessboredomm posted:

They’re both #4s on a good team but both got cut by actual good teams. All of those teams you listed have better active WRs than the Panthers do right now


I think coaching is still a huge problem but the receiver issue is magnifying every error

Nico Collins had 1150 yards and 4 TDs in two seasons (plus a few games) in the NFL and he’s the Texans leading receiver. After him you’ve got old rear end Robert Woods and something called Tank Dell.

If you think that’s clearly a better WR group on paper than what the Panthers have I don’t know what to tell you.

Chark was the Lions #2 last year but he also missed 1/3rd of the year with an injury. He missed the year before with an injury as well but he was pretty productive with some truly bad QBs in Jax.

YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Sep 25, 2023

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Relentlessboredomm posted:

Nico Collins is better than the corpse of Thielen or Chark

The corpse of Robert Woods is 2 or 3 years younger than Thielen and he hasn't quite completed the fall off the cliff like Thielen has but lets call that a push.

Dalton Schultz (who's on the Texans now) is better than Hayden Hurst

Tank Dell is a rookie who actually looks good, both quick and relatively dependable so far and he's better than anyone on the Panthers roster.


That's absolutely a better WR corps here in reality than what the Panthers have.

Collins is in his third year and nobody even knew his name until like two weeks ago. He looks better now because he’s got a competent QB throwing to him and maybe some decent coaching.

But honestly even if you accept the premise that the Texans WRs are better you’re still left trying to excuse the fact that the Panthers staff are so bad at evaluation that two third round picks and Robert Woods are outperforming their WR corps.

They’re paying Theilen more than Woods! It’s either lovely coaching, lovely quarterbacking, or lovely talent evaluation.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Relentlessboredomm posted:

Also I'm gonna be a dick and say about as many people knew Collins existed as Terrance Marshall. If Marshall ever gets healthy I assume he'll be about the same level.

Nobody except LSU fans and Panthers fans knows Marshall exists so that tracks. He’d also totally have a breakout year if he had future all pro CJ Stroud throwing to him instead of fragile dwarf Bryce Young.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

really queer Christmas posted:

People were making GBS threads on them for the will Anderson trade, but drat if that wasn't the jolt that franchise needed desperately.

It was a cool trade. I hate when a new coach and GM come in and play it safe and try to conserve cap space and picks for the future. You’re going to be fired before the future comes if you don’t win now dipshit!

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

wandler20 posted:

Saints getting booed at home. Things you just hate to see.

More boos for the boo god. Let’s get Allen fired.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

three posted:

Bryce refuses to throw a pass that doesn't have 10 yards of separation by the WR.

At least ya’ll didn’t take CJ Stroud, his slow processing and inability to improvise is clearly holding him back.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Alaois posted:

If you think Stroud would look good in this offense i have a head coach to sell you

He wouldn’t, but I doubt Bryce would look as good on the Texans. Really though taking Bryce over CJ was a big red flag for the coaching staff.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

really queer Christmas posted:

im kinda fine with just winning 3 more games this year and getting allen fired and the team rebuilt.

Sadly I don’t think that will get Allen fired.

Joey Freshwater posted:

Baker is the best QB in the NFCS and it’s not close



Faint praise I know but I said what I said

He’s got the best play caller at least. Carr is not as bad as this off brand Sean Payton offense is making him look.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

This whole division is so boring this year. Boring teams making boring plays. Baker is the most interesting thing happening but the Bucs offense isn’t exactly exciting despite him occasionally doing something fun.

Just miserable to watch all around.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

wandler20 posted:

Pretty sure all the Panthers fans were hyping up Reich and his all star coaching staff.

I thought Reich was a decent hire despite the way his time in Indy ended. Looking like Colts fans were right about him though.

That said I get not wanting to hire a retread DC as head coach to bring your #1 pick QB along. Offensive HC was the right choice, they just picked the wrong one.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Relentlessboredomm posted:

ive been completely won over by Dave Canales. between him, the way Steichen is running the Indy offense, and Slowik for the Texans it seems like you can absolutely create an ok offense with marginal talent if you've got a good playcaller. that's all i want for the bucs from here on out. hire these types of dudes for OC or hell make Canales HC, like he's making BAKER look good. this is explicitly our cap pain season where they're not even trying and they're consistently competitive. it's loving bananas

Shane Waldron in Seattle as well. Similar situation to Tampa with good talent at WR but marginal talent at QB, but they’re making it work. People think good QBs are just good and coaching doesn’t matter…maybe that’s true for truly great QBs but for all the rest having a good scheme and coach absolutely matters.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Silly Burrito posted:

At least the LSU game was entertaining, even though they lost.

On paper, this should be a really exciting offense, on the field it's just a turd.

They for some reason thought that taking a roster that Sean Payton went 9-8 with, downgrading at offensive play caller and shackling them to a cowardly conservative head coach would lead to better results. Baffling decision.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

GD_American posted:

OK just got home and uh, what the gently caress happened to the Saints today

Patriots down BAAAAAAD.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

really queer Christmas posted:

nfc south is a competition to see who has the worst coaching staff. Not sure whos winning because man theyre all so bad

Bucs have the only OC that seems decent so they win by default.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

PostNouveau posted:

Saints bad again

They’ve been bad for 3 years, I think we’ve moved into “still bad” territory.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Pulled off the sweep.

Nice.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

wandler20 posted:

Derek Carr is dog poo poo.

Hey hey….the whole offense is dogshit! Let’s not single anyone out.

Except Taysom, he’s extremely reliable.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."


Feels like it’s mutual tbh

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Relentlessboredomm posted:

lmao people asking if the Saints already gave Carr a bunch of money. Oh yeah, they’re locked in for at least another two seasons after this

Maybe I’m an idiot but I don’t think a new QB would fix many of the problems with the offense unless it was literally Patrick Mahomes. It’s just not well designed or coached.

Allen is likely gone after next year and new coach will get a year to see if he can work with Carr and if not he will get to draft or trade for his guy.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

PostNouveau posted:

Olave giving up on that long route was pretty funny. I'd also assume the ball wasn't coming my way if I got more than 20 yards from the line of scrimmage. Also, Carr got very pissed about it, considering he threw the ball very firmly out of bounds, wouldn't have mattered if Olave ran it out anyway.

I think he threw it out of bounds because Olave stopped on his route and it was either that or throw it right to the defender.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

PostNouveau posted:

That one where Kamara went for the sticks instead of doing a stop route was funny too. Yeah, Derek, he wants to get near the first down not catch it for 5 yards on 2nd and 20.

The QB and WR not agreeing on what the route is, repeatedly, is a pretty fundamental problem and comes down to poor coaching. If it’s an option route then coverage should dictate where it goes, not the down and distance.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

kidcoelacanth posted:

the bucs are by no means a great team but if they can beat atlanta this weekend it feels like it's their division to lose for the rest of the season

They’re the only team in the division that can mimic a functioning offense, it’s been theirs to lose for a few weeks now.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Chris James 2 posted:

I mean, the "he can't keep doing this and field a good team" parts have been completely true the last two years now. Decisively we have hit the point where kicking the can forever stops resulting in a good team

The defense is legitimately good and the problems on the offense have nothing to do with talent. Kamara, Thomas and Olave is a pretty good skill position group and Carr should be at least league average. The line is kind of a mess but they’ve invested both money and draft picks there so it’s not like lack of resources have held them back.

The roster is fine. Not the best in the league but certainly good enough to compete for a playoff spot. The team is mediocre because the coaching staff is mediocre. The takes about all of this being a consequence of the cap are just lazy.

They’re coached by Dennis Allen and don’t have a great QB. What do you expect?

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

God this division sucks

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YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Chris James 2 posted:

In a way it's the best division. No one left behind, the ultimate sportsmen

The Panthers have been left behind which is almost impossible to believe, and yet…

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