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She took a bunch of suckers to the bank, and now that it's dried up she's on to some other pasture, maybe back to the MLM scams she was running before this. Her disingenuous broad-brushing of video games as a monolith of misogyny caused lasting damage to the community for her personal monetary gain and her descent back into obscurity couldn't have happened soon enough. That said, the number of cretins who crawled out of the woodwork to show their asses to the world by threatening a person who they could've simply ignored is dismaying. I don't think that prior to that I can recall any instance of Internet lynch mobbing to that degree, and since then it's gotten distressingly common. Say what you will about gamergate, but the impression I had at the time was that Quinn herself wasn't receiving the brunt of it; it seemed more distributed evenly with the outlets who were circling their wagons around the whole "gamers are dead" thing. The hate on Sarkeesian was a new and darker turn, and the Internet's stayed a nastier place since.
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"Representation" is stupid tier on par with "gamers only want to play white dudes". I've played any number of races, sexes, and species over the years in video games, and never once have I been "represented" by them. Everyone's life experience is unique, and a fiction in a video game is not going to impart magical empathy on people who lack it. Especially when you have ham-fisted poo poo like ME Andromeda's "HELLO I AM TRANS LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY TRANSNESS PERSON I JUST MET". Just... no. A better, more achievable message that fiction can impart is that a different person is still a person and is going through life the same as everyone else. The new Star Trek movies did that well with Sulu; dude got off the ship, you see him go over to his husband and kid, they walk off together. Boom, done. He didn't monologue for five minutes about loving dick, his romantic preferences were treated as an everyday thing and didn't have an impact on his professional life. A piece of entertainment is not suitable for teaching a person about the intricacies of another person's life, unless that's its sole focus. But treating different people as common and not sideshow freaks, that is achievable. As long as you don't have them run up to the character and blab for thirty seconds about how their daddy kicked them out of the house after finding their furry porn and bad dragon stash, because that is not what normal people do.
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Aug 15, 2023 20:34
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The amount of content in her videos that is easily counter-exampled by anyone who's the life-long gamer she claimed to be set up three likely and not necessarily mutually-exclusive scenarios in my mind: 1. She's no video game fan and was largely ignorant of the topic in which she billed herself as an expert. 2. She simply didn't give a gently caress and half-assed everything to get it out the door. 3. She was deliberately misrepresenting the content to inflate her premise, knowing a more accurate portrayal would weaken the argument. Then, thanks to the well-poisoning caused by nerds losing their poo poo about their holy hobby being besmirched, followed by media losing their poo poo about the nerds losing their poo poo, we now have this weird public belief that there are legions of turbo-autist basement-dwellers who will have a Chris-chan freakout if anyone dares to put out a game with a woman in it who isn't a fuckdoll, that utter rear end in a top hat gamers are, if not the majority, a large percentage rather than the small portion they actually represent. We've seen echoes of that in that boogeyman being pulled out by Sony trying to defend the Ghostbusters reboot tanking and the Bully Hunters debacle; whenever there's a cynical ploy to make bank off of women, the ever-dreaded Misogynerd is conveniently on the scene to point at with a big dose of, "You sure don't want those mean nerds to win, better stick it to them by buying our corporate product!" Our society as a whole is worse off as an indirect result of the stupidity that arose around these videos, and they aren't even good videos.
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Aug 17, 2023 17:17
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The 7th Guest posted:i believe the thing people were upset about was (going off memory) you could use a sex worker's corpse as a distraction by dumping it off a railing or a rafter or something like that?? and when I played Hitman Absolution that was indeed the intended design... but I played it like, IDK, 2015 or 2016? It was a long time ago, so i forget the specific context other than that it was an intended solution. there are people who acted like it wasn't in the game and she was lying, but it was. sex workers very much are treated like disposable by society at large, but the thing about Hitman Absolution is that it has plenty of misogyny to go around, I remember being 3/4ths of the way through the game and being like "wow this game hates women like a lot" It was her saying that in Hitman it was intended gameplay for a player to murder the women and derive pleasure from toying with their corpses. When in fact it was a game about murdering basically everyone and did not treat killing a random woman any differently from killing a random man. IIRC there was another clip from that one with, I think it was Saints Row? Where the player is at a bar and shoots a dancing woman, which she presented as more proof about games being out to promote violence against women, conveniently omitting the male dancer ten feet away who was just as killable, because as anyone who actually played those open world crime games knows, you can up and shoot literally anyone. Which is why I think she either never actually played those games to know that fact, or knew it and omitted the fact on purpose to serve her narrative.
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Aug 17, 2023 19:14
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Cutedge posted:I'm almost positive that there's a video of her from college in some class she was giving a presentation in where she says she doesn't like video games and has never played them. It seemed to worm its way around twitter. Of course, the issue is that this kind of credentials-check is used 95% on women and almost never on men (other than let's say Dean Takahashi unable to complete the tutorial of Cuphead). This is valid, naturally it's stupid to hassle a woman in a role of commentary about games or sports or any other traditionally male pastime; anybody who's a critic should be scrutinized equally for having some knowledge about the subject they critique and nobody ought to get a pass for their sex. To be fair, anyone who exhibits rank incompetence in a review usually gets pilloried for it regardless of any biology, but a guy who's simply mediocre can probably coast without catching too much flak. In this case however, these extremely incomplete or one-sided representations were being put forth as evidence of an entire group's inherent sexism, for videos being made for money. That warranted more, not less scrutiny than Rando McRanderson's review of Nintendogs on Gamespot.
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Aug 17, 2023 22:32
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Wanderer posted:That's not the issue with Sarkeesian's criticisms. She's generally on point in the macro, but screws up when she hits the micro. I don't even agree with her on the macro, to some extent, because of the multi-layered nature of her premises. "There are games where you rescue a woman, and she's only visible for like thirty seconds at the end of the game." - True! But implied with that: "This means that these games are sexist against women." - Well, not necessarily? NES games weren't exactly awash in character development for anyone. "These games represent the desire of gamers/the games industry." - All the games that don't do that would like a word, and they are many and successful. "These games shouldn't be made." - Let people make/buy what they want. If someone wants to make GTA, and someone wants to pay for it to murderhobo, more power to 'em. There's room for games for everyone.
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Aug 18, 2023 03:46
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Yeah, I think that's really the thing. There's plenty of room to criticize video games, lord knows it's like the favorite pastime of gamers. If she had gone in against Metroid Other M for being a cringey sexist piece of poo poo, the Metroid fans of the world would've been right there with her. Instead she talked poo poo about Samus and said she was basically just a man, so that went over like a lead balloon. It is possible to be a game fan and acknowledge that many of them aren't perfect and some of them are downright dire, but the way she came at them made it pretty apparent that she was not coming from a fan's perspective. My first PC game as a kid? King's Quest 3, by the inestimable Roberta Williams. My second? King's Quest 4, where gasp, you play the princess saving the day. In 1988. And to the best of my knowledge, Roberta never gave any indication in interviews that piles of chud gamers wrote her bunches of rape and death threats for daring to be a woman in charge of a game company who made games with a girl protagonist. Everyone I knew loved the poo poo out of her and her games, I was a huge Sierra fanboy back then.
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Aug 19, 2023 04:42
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I think it's more accurate to say that gamers looked better before they had the internet around to be shitposting everywhere. The arrival of the modern consoles around the same time is just a coincidence.
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Aug 19, 2023 05:17
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