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I've been curious about the relative point values of the various Combat Patrol boxes (in part to try and figure out why Grey Knights have to choose between terminators or a Dreadknight) and I couldn't find a list of them anywhere, so here you go, first page:
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Question for home players without massive dining room tables: how do you manage getting a properly sized board? My table can reach 60" with leaves but is only about 33" in the other direction which is a pretty significant loss depending on the board orientation. Neither of my friends who I play with have tables in the right size either but we've been trying to think of solutions for a topper (in my mind four 22x30" rectangles with something like mortise and tenons works perfectly but watching a shitload of This Old House only gives me ideas and no actual experience or knowledge of woodworking) and it only occurred to us last night to see if anyone else had solved this problem. Google doesn't really give me much to go off of but maybe Goon expertise has the answer.
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Aug 4, 2023 18:01
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Tangy Zizzle posted:two fold up 8'x4' tables work fine for me, also it's always good to have those tables on hand anyways. Sadly, I live in a one bedroom condo and there's just no room to set something like that up. That's why I'm trying to come up with a clever table topper option.
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Aug 4, 2023 19:43
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Al-Saqr posted:Why dont you do what i did and go to game shops to play in, or use the floor, or find a friend who has more room. Well we do have an excellent FLGS with tables in the basement but they're frequently spoken for in the evenings when we have time to play, though it is something I'd like to do, the Warhammer community there is really cool, based on the Discord server for it. As for a friend with more room, if any of us had that kind of room, we'd use it but poor theatre folk as we are, we're working with what we've got.
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Aug 4, 2023 20:11
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ro5s posted:A friend of mine's got 3 boards that he can just put over a table to make a full sized 40k board, it's a lot easier to store than just 1 full sized piece too. Yeah, I think that's the direction I'll have to go, I'll just have to find the right material, something with enough rigidity to not flex too much.
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Aug 4, 2023 21:39
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tangy yet delightful posted:Back in my youth I used an MDF sheet cut into 3 pieces, I think it was 3/4" thick? Do you have access to a home Depot like store? Do you own power tools (although you could rent say a circular saw for a day) or have friends with tools? I saw that table earlier and it's pretty cool but also way more expensive than I want to spend. I don't have tools but that's what fathers-in-law are for, though now that I think of it I also have some scene designer friends who would also be easily bribed into some simple cutting and live much closer. Something like a 1/2" to 3/4" thick sheet is what I've been figuring on.
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Aug 4, 2023 22:38
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US but that's another potentially useful avenue to search, so thanks!
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Aug 4, 2023 22:58
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It never would have occurred to me to actually paint the boards but that is such a loving great idea, I'm embarrassed that I never would have thought about it. As for the board sizes themselves, I'm trying to strike a balance between stability and ease of storage, which is why I was thinking three panels but that's definitely something to put a lot of thought into. Maybe three with dowels or the like just to prevent any individual one from going off like a rake into Sideshow Bob. I'll have to ponder that but this is a very promising direction.
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Aug 5, 2023 02:07
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IncredibleIgloo posted:If you want to paint it, but don't want to flock it because that is a lot of effort, you can get spray wall texture at the hardware store, like orange peel wall texture and spray that first and then paint to give a bit of visual variation without a lot of effort. That's another great loving idea, though I'll have to travel out of town for it (Chicago has a ban on selling spray paint for stupid reasons) but way simpler than mixing my own texture paint.
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Aug 5, 2023 03:16
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Muir posted:You could put hinges attaching the sections so they’re connected but can still fold up. I'd thought of that but I'd have to put them really close to the edge so it sits flat and I don't know what that would to it structurally.
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Aug 5, 2023 04:59
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Al-Saqr posted:Have any of you actually joined or read up on 'The Bunker' warhammer club thing white dwarf is doing? I wonder whats that like I read the Bunker article and I'm not sure what the point is or how it works.
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Aug 7, 2023 15:02
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Other than Goonhammer, are there any websites that write stuff about 40k or is it pretty much all scattered throughout YouTube (and overwhelmed by battle reports of wildly varying quality)?
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Aug 8, 2023 19:42
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Yeah, that's about what I'd figured.
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Aug 8, 2023 20:03
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Didn't Michigan Toy Soldier's owner turn out to be a creep?
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Aug 10, 2023 16:54
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I just learned that I've been playing Combat Patrol wrong in a small but really significant way: all Battleline units have sticky objectives in CP games. Now I understand how the Grey Knights patrol is supposed to actually achieve anything with such a small force.
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Aug 10, 2023 22:02
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Improbable Lobster posted:GW isn't hiding poo poo, an article about winrates at tourneys probably isn't their entire analysis of game balance. Stu literally says as much in the video.
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Aug 10, 2023 22:22
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poo poo, that would have saved be a few bucks last month on bits.
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Aug 11, 2023 22:40
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When you Fire Overwatch, you get to use all available guns on a model like normal, right?
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Aug 16, 2023 17:42
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Thanks all, that's what I figured I just wanted to make sure.
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Aug 16, 2023 20:23
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It just means that when I finally pull the trigger on buying into Blood Angels that a Baal Predator is going to be a much earlier purchase than it might otherwise have been.
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Aug 16, 2023 21:47
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Jack B Nimble posted:Are any of the combat patrols reckoned to be much worse than the others? I know the AdMech box is much fewer points than some others, but did they address that with the special rules? I don't know that there's much analysis of the various patrols but they definitely vary in power pretty widely and I don't think that any of them have extra rules to compensate. Closest I can think of is that the Space Marine patrol doesn't have any Battleline units so they have to spend a CP for sticky objectives but that feels more like insult to injury rather than compensation to me. Match ups really seem to make a huge difference too, I've only played Grey Knights into Tyranids and Space Marines and while I'm 0 for 3 those two match ups are wildly different; 'nids have a hard time killing GKs but have so much loving board presence it's almost impossible to out-scenario them and taking out all their numbers is really challenging. I'm getting closer and closer buying another Patrol box already (I should wait until I get my army at least basecoated but isn't that the very essence of wargaming) just to see how differently they play.
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Aug 17, 2023 14:45
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Devorum posted:Most of the boxes were put together long before Combat Patrol was even conceived of as a separate game mode. They weren't designed to be balanced at all. Yeah that's the bit that they're just not going to be able to overcome without releasing new boxes for every faction, which would be a pain in the rear end but also not the worst idea in the world.
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Aug 17, 2023 15:51
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I mean, many of the datasheets are modified but mostly by way of removing/simplifying but they can't go too too far with it or they lose the utility of mode being a useful introduction to full 40k.
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Aug 17, 2023 16:50
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Athas posted:After a decade-long break, I'm trying to get back into 40k. I was never that deep into it in the first place, though. I have a few questions. So the core rules are free and available here and the points are in the Munitorium Field Manual document. All the actual army rules and stats can be found in the various indexes which are all here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000-downloads/
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Aug 17, 2023 22:49
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Virtual Russian posted:Each faction has special rules and strategems to compensate for the differences in points the combat patrol boxes have. One of the problems is that the stratagems and rules can't really fix the problems with some of the patrols, especially in terms of board presence. I'm not sure the missions are helping either but I'm also not sure how you could build a 40k mission at that scale that didn't exacerbate such fundamental problems. Virtual Russian posted:I have guard, which I think is the lowest points? Second lowest at 385. Deathwatch is only worth 335.
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Aug 18, 2023 03:05
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Athas posted:Thanks! I found a newer version of the Munitorium Field Manual. How often do they change? Are codices just dead? I think the points are going to be quarterly and then the larger balancing is every six months but I also might be making that up. Codices are starting soon with Tyranids and Space Marines in "Autumn", rumored to be late next month for the bugs, if I remember right.
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Aug 18, 2023 18:29
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At my game last night we had a bunch of questions about the rules for ruins, first and foremost we were unclear about how, exactly, visibility works with ruins. The rules say that models wholly in the terrain can see out normally and that models outside of ruins can see models wholly within, does that mean that you still need LOS from windows or what have you? I would assume so but the phrasing is ambiguous enough that I wasn't sure. Since infantry can move through ruins as if the ruin was not there, does that mean that infantry can charge though ruins? It would seem like they can though the logistics are--and were--kind of a nightmare. Semi-related, can a model, infantry or otherwise that is b2b with the ruin wall attack a model that is also b2b with that wall? We debated it though it didn't actually come up. Finally, the rules say that infantry models can be set on any level of a ruin, but does that cost any movement and does it cost any movement for them to drop levels?
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Aug 24, 2023 15:48
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Thanks all, looks like we did everything right other than fudging LOS and I think I measured dropping levels just a little bit wrong but that didn't have a major impact on the game.
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Aug 24, 2023 16:13
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Goonhammer have been rolling out new Get Started articles around one a day during the week, so a 10e one for Sisters should be along before too long. The articles are definitely focused on tournament players but it's still useful for casuals.
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Aug 27, 2023 01:23
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I'm of a mixed mind about it, the ease of list building is loving great but it's also rough when your list building leaves you with 20+ points that you just have to leave unspent. Some of that is just the state of being a Grey Knights player right now and having an incredibly limited bench but it still sucks.
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Aug 28, 2023 14:58
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smug jeebus posted:There's a mission deck to add a lot of depth to your games, but it's only in the Leviathan box right now. They were available standalone but they were pulled because of some sort of misprinting. I bought the cards but I haven't gone looking for whatever the misprint is (something about the card backs, I guess?) and it hasn't jumped out at me.
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Aug 29, 2023 04:13
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I want them to announce that they've made more Land Raiders so I can buy one.
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Aug 30, 2023 18:10
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Look, as long as it's got some las-cannons and the Grey Knights can take it, then sure.
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Aug 30, 2023 18:25
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Cease to Hope posted:the terminator chaplain and term ancient don't have a model atm. A chaplain in terminator armor would make me very, very happy.
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Aug 30, 2023 19:29
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Those would be great for my Grey Knights and my bourgeoning Blood Angels collection.
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Aug 30, 2023 19:41
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It's too bad that the Astartes don't have any sense of live performance, so we'll never get Primaris Impresarios.
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Aug 30, 2023 20:19
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Weird Pumpkin posted:This and the goonhammer article I mentioned when I first posted about a week ago seems like a decent place to start: https://woehammer.com/2021/08/17/a-beginners-starter-army-for-sisters-of-battle/ It's worth noting that this article, as with Goonhammer, is for the previous edition and so probably not the best guidepost to be using right now.
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Aug 31, 2023 18:11
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Athas posted:Are there any 40k-related podcasts worth listening to? I like Adeptus Ridiculous, which is lore focused.
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Sep 4, 2023 16:24
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Blooming Brilliant posted:I tentatively recommend this cause Bricky does a decent job summing up the lore, Yeah, that's a fair read but it works for me because it doesn't feel like DK is doing a bit, it really feels like two friends being authentic (I don't know if that's true or not but it's how they read to me) and I have a much higher tolerance for things like that when they don't feel forced. It's the same thing with Tabletop Tactics for me, they can be loud and just a Lot but in a way that my friends can I can be.
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Grey Knights have also had their points updated.
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