|
StrangersInTheNight posted:Ah yes truly the solution, leave the app I hate installed and ignore the device that I do ALL of my communication outside of work with. Why didn't I think of that, instead of uninstalling TikTok??? I'm so dumb tee-hee. you can also just switch to a different app tho? i mean obviously uninstall it if you dont like it, but you do have a choice to stop looking at the content if it bothers you, is all im saying Woolie Wool posted:You can, in theory, stop doing crack too but that is not how addictive substances and experiences work. ok but i was responding to someone who said they installed tiktok and immediately started feeling unwell. not someone who said they are addicted to tiktok.
|
#
?
Aug 16, 2023 20:50
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 2, 2024 15:53 |
|
|
It was before my time but I heard back in the day you used to have to use a travel agent or call the airline directly to get a plane ticket, which sounds pretty lame, so I think sites like Priceline should be preserved
|
|
#
?
Aug 16, 2023 20:53
|
|
|
Honestly confused by anyone who needs any other site than zombo com, which does everything you need it to.
|
|
#
?
Aug 16, 2023 20:57
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:ChatGPT is ruining everything that wasn't already ruined, and Microsoft owns both it and github now, basically, so prepare to have everything anybody has ever posted to github be scraped by Microsoft's investment-to-the-tune-of-billions in AI to basically kill coding as a job within about fifteen years. You’re right on all counts but right now at this moment chatgpt is useful, hilarious, free, and has yet to start ruining good things. We are in the golden era of LLMs like back in 2006 when Google was cool. Github is still somehow hosting multiple projects to help people use Microsoft’s software without paying. This will definitely not last forever. They will be lovely soon and chatgpt will do to development what devops did to system administration. Since the demand for software development is infinite every developer will become scrum master to a team of robots and will be expected to casually churn out TEAMxSPRINT worth of work every day. I hear some people think that their code is better than chatgpt or that chatgpt can’t do it. Even if that’s true your boss won’t care just like they didn’t care when they replaced degreed sysadmins with MCSEs and their support department with an offshore MSP that knows nothing about your space and product. The work will be so miserable, depressing, and uncreative there is no way you’ll find a nepobaby or failson anywhere near it so we got that to look forward to. Internet Old One fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Aug 16, 2023 |
|
#
?
Aug 16, 2023 23:03
|
|
|
Internet Old One posted:You’re right on all counts but right now at this moment chatgpt is useful, hilarious, free, and has yet to start ruining good things. We are in the golden era of LLMs like back in 2006 when Google was cool. nah they hobbled it. the original GPT playground was fun because it wasn't censored at all, but half the poo poo you ask ChatGPT its just like "no I am an ethical language model and I am not allowed to fullfill whatever sick poo poo your filthy mind just came up with" or "Commander Riker's penis is not physically capable of performing the tasks described" or some other half-assed excuse
|
|
#
?
Aug 16, 2023 23:45
|
|
|
lol drat looks like  https://thehun.net still existsi wonder who still uses that site over pornhub etc
|
|
#
?
Aug 17, 2023 00:29
|
|
|
Earwicker posted:maybe we are talking about different things? like im not talking about tiktoks im talking about youtube, where i think of "short form content" as like 2-10 minutes (as opposed to "long form" which would be an hour or more), and like thats the typical length of most songs or music videos? which is most of what i watch, and make, and they don't make me disoriented or unhappy at all. quite the opposite. Oh right yeah I don’t mean that, I mean the ones that are a few seconds long
|
|
#
?
Aug 17, 2023 00:37
|
|
|
StrangersInTheNight posted:Its like being assaulted by the Internet and left me with a feeling that can only be described as that greasy, heartburny sensation you get after having too many slices of pizza. Yeah. I’ve heard it described as sort of a psychological DDOS attack. The fact that these algorithms use stuff I would normally be interested in to harm me only adds insult to injury Minotaurus Rex fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Aug 17, 2023 |
|
#
?
Aug 17, 2023 00:51
|
|
|
Scrotum Modem posted:lol drat looks like My god I never heard of this site, or I don't remember it, but I click on it and the top of the page is an article about a tiny little renfaire in a tiny little town back home around where I grew up. From this year. This rules. Ren Faires rule.
|
|
#
?
Aug 17, 2023 03:37
|
|
|
Back in the dialup days when people paid porn sites for access to mere pictures and some low res quicktime vids at most, The Hun's Yellow Pages was basically a collection of sorted photo galleries / vid clip galleries sourced from other porn sites it gave you free access to.
Scrotum Modem fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Aug 17, 2023 |
|
#
?
Aug 17, 2023 04:49
|
|
|
I can't believe I never heard of that site, 'cause teenage LividLiquid would've been all about it.
|
|
#
?
Aug 17, 2023 21:07
|
|
|
I just spent about an hour on this website (https://californiathroughmylens.com/) browsing this guy's awesome collection of hiking guides with photos and videos. It occurred to me that this was the first time, in a long time, that I had stumbled across a really useful site that was just ran by a random person who wasn't trying to sell me something. And yes, I know ultimately it's just a blog, but it's obvious this person has put a lot of time, energy and love into this effort and the results show. Compare and contrast something like this with so many of the awful content farm travel blogs that are probably all AI generated at this point. Impossibly Perfect Sphere fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Aug 17, 2023 |
|
#
?
Aug 17, 2023 21:37
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:ChatGPT is ruining everything that wasn't already ruined, and Microsoft owns both it and github now, basically, so prepare to have everything anybody has ever posted to github be scraped by Microsoft's investment-to-the-tune-of-billions in AI to basically kill coding as a job within about fifteen years. AI is not taking over coding jobs - we aren't even close. Maybe, *maybe* there is space for some AI implementation to consume the most junior level of tasks, but even when I ask ChatGPT 4 pretty basic questions, there is a 30% chance it'll just make some poo poo up.
|
|
#
?
Aug 17, 2023 22:10
|
|
|
i must compose posted:Reddit rocks!! https://youtu.be/0TjnPfYJmOY
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 00:42
|
|
|
Canine Blues Arooo posted:even when I ask ChatGPT 4 pretty basic questions, there is a 30% chance it'll just make some poo poo up. sounds pretty well equipped to take politicians jobs in fact a couple months ago some idiot senator was on twitter talking about how "chatgpt can do advanced chemistry and we need to be prepared", which is exactly the kind of bullshit chatgpt is great at making up
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 00:52
|
|
|
Canine Blues Arooo posted:AI is not taking over coding jobs - we aren't even close. Maybe, *maybe* there is space for some AI implementation to consume the most junior level of tasks, but even when I ask ChatGPT 4 pretty basic questions, there is a 30% chance it'll just make some poo poo up. Microsoft isn't putting billions into it because they're chasing buzzwords like the rubes investing in NFTs. But even if it never, ever works, it's going to serve its purpose: we had AI "write" this entirely nonfunctional code. Now you, person who used to make 150K a year programming, get to "supervise" the AI and rewrite literally everything from the ground up for minimum wage and no benefits. Even if I'm wrong and it never *ever* works, It's the new "that Mexican is going to take your job. Work for peanuts or he wins." Y'all better unionize quick.
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 02:24
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:ChatGPT isn't taking over nearly as many things as people think it is, but huge swaths of coding is absolutely going to be one of them whether it works properly or not. I thought this was supposed to be the uplifting counterpart to the enshittification thread  Content-wise, I have to give a shout out to Project Gutenberg. Being able to grab PDFs or ebooks of public domain classics is fantastic, and reminds me of finding the old, fragile books in my grandparents' house
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 02:45
|
|
|
Thanks to ruffle, homestarrunner.com works again. That's worth saving.
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 02:58
|
|
|
emSparkly posted:Thanks to ruffle, homestarrunner.com works again. That's worth saving. It's Dot Com!
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 03:01
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:It's Dot Com! This is a website. Isn't that gweat?
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 03:17
|
|
|
emSparkly posted:Thanks to ruffle, homestarrunner.com works again. That's worth saving.
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 03:51
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:ChatGPT isn't taking over nearly as many things as people think it is, but huge swaths of coding is absolutely going to be one of them whether it works properly or not. I think chatgpt is just going to replace professional script kiddies. No loss.
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 13:49
|
|
|
Canine Blues Arooo posted:AI is not taking over coding jobs - we aren't even close. Maybe, *maybe* there is space for some AI implementation to consume the most junior level of tasks, but even when I ask ChatGPT 4 pretty basic questions, there is a 30% chance it'll just make some poo poo up. I think AI will be used to make things happen faster so we’ll all be expected to get more done. I read a paper where they were using AI to get designs from requirements and I’ve read some extremely old books where they used expert systems to gather requirements. It’s going to be hell when there is an entirely ML/ expert system pipeline that talks to the system management uses to write policies. Also the code generation itself is going to improve rapidly as it’s tied into automated static analysis tools. So it’ll be a lot less braindead with a little work but ultimately it’s going to suck and turn every developer into a combination project manager over a bunch of droids on the input side and QA turd massager on the output side. You think your boss’ boss won’t sign on? Yeah wait until he goes to a few conferences where the keynote talks about tight feedback loops and then a sales guy shows up with some lies in powerpoint format. Artists were saying the same poo poo but now a lot of them can look forward to a career of redrawing fingers. Internet Old One fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Aug 18, 2023 |
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 15:20
|
|
|
Internet Old One posted:I think AI will be used to make things happen faster so we’ll all be expected to get more done. I read a paper where they were using AI to get designs from requirements and I’ve read some extremely old books where they used expert systems to gather requirements. This might end up aging like milk, but i very much doubt that this happens on a wide scale, especially among competent firms. Some dumb C-levels are going to try and make this a thing in some places, but it's going to result in bad productivity and will eventually show up as a net loss. Nuance in software matters way too much for an AI to get it right, and if you are letting AI do architecture...well, Godspeed I guess. It will literally be like crypto all over again. Dumb leadership in dumb companies are going to spend some years trying to make it a thing until reality catches up to them. Artists are largely fine. Yeah some lovely places are replacing artists in some spaces, and i do think AI solutions will be good at some things like making rock geometery and doing a convincing wall texture, but it's not like they are going to be doing key art for any decent studio. Canine Blues Arooo fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Aug 18, 2023 |
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 15:31
|
|
|
Canine Blues Arooo posted:This might end up aging like milk, but i very much doubt that this happens on a wide scale, especially among competent firms. Can you give me an example of a competent firm? I don’t think I’ve ever peered into a tech juggernaut and not been disappointed. The only difference in quality seems to be the number of people walking around with something interesting to say and the organizations resiliency against it’s own bad decisions.
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 15:57
|
|
|
Internet Old One posted:Can you give me an example of a competent firm? I don’t think I’ve ever peered into a tech juggernaut and not been disappointed. The only difference in quality seems to be the number of people walking around with something interesting to say and the organizations resiliency against it’s own bad decisions. seriously. I've had the unfortunate experience of seeing how the sausage is made for a couple of MAFANGs and large tech companies and I seriously don't know how they don't collapse under the weight of their own stupid bullshit
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 16:03
|
|
|
Is Rate My Poo and Kitten Wars still around?
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 16:08
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:we had AI "write" this entirely nonfunctional code. Now you, person who used to make 150K a year programming, get to "supervise" the AI and rewrite literally everything from the ground up for minimum wage and no benefits. my word got out he was Good At Code and he was promoted to Manage Coders and not write anything. The code then sucked and the company was like “hey you aren’t good at managing” and he was like “I’m good at coding” and they were like “better make your team shape up by talking at them manager-ly with mouth words” he liked/needed the manager paycheck so he just goes in and rewrites the code again all night every night “good job managing” they say to him. he’s actually been recruited to several other companies for bigger MANAGER paychecks and no one understands he’s just writing it all and ignoring the typewriter monkeys pounding out gibberish this but ai
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 17:11
|
|
|
As it is right now, using AI to code is best done piece by piece and it saves a ton of time. If you're an uber-programmer then GPT4 might not be too useful but for somebody middling like myself it's a godsend especially when it's constrained with good clear prompts. I very rarely get bad code from it. That said we are in a gold rush with AI so everyone is either evangelizing AI as our new god or being unreasonable luddites about it so the dialogue surrounding it is going to be full of bullshit for a while until it settles in as an everyday technology. It's a tool, a means with which to interact with our data, that's all.
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 18:20
|
|
|
this scatman john video set to 0.25x speed is absolutely worth saving until the end of time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8kmNEo1i8
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 18:25
|
|
My hope is that the upcoming firehose of AI content will make people put a premium on offline, face-to-face, human-to-human interaction. Amateur theatre, writing groups, hiking groups etc. Not gonna happen but 
|
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 18:45
|
|
|
the fact that it took five posts for people to start saying ai, podcasts, and amazon is something else
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 18:47
|
|
|
Canine Blues Arooo posted:This might end up aging like milk, but i very much doubt that this happens on a wide scale, especially among competent firms. i think you are grossly underestimating the amount of time that happens between "dumb C-levels try to be more 'cost effecitve' and fire a shitload of people and replace them with AI" and "that particular tier of dumb C-levels takes their millions in guaranteed bonuses and fucks off to live on yachts and the next wave of people come in and realize the errors of the previous regime but need to also cover it up to some extent because optics". in the meantime there will be a lot of job loss whether thats *eventually* shown to be a bad idea or not. i think you are also grossly overestimating the number of "competent firms" that exist. like yeah maybe there is, hypothetically speaking, a competent firm out there that will manage to enter a new era of technology and not gently caress everyone over about it, but thats not who most people work for. Earwicker fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Aug 18, 2023 |
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 18:51
|
|
|
Clipperton posted:My hope is that the upcoming firehose of AI content will make people put a premium on offline, face-to-face, human-to-human interaction. Amateur theatre, writing groups, hiking groups etc. Not gonna happen but I can see that happening. I mean the size of the communities of people who do these things will be smaller but they will be more radical and creative than the AI stuff. I mean, even in my industry of manufacturing, the need for skilled people is still there but the complexity of work has increased over the last 25 years and while there are fewer people doing the job, creativity and skill are actually more important now than when I was younger. I suspect (and others do as well) that the biggest areas of job loss will be in the professional sectors like administration, accounting, programming, journalists as well as a lot of the legal profession. It's going to be a real slog for the next 10 years as we try to shoehorn AI into every task and then realize that humans are still better for human things.
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 19:02
|
|
|
Tarkus posted:I suspect (and others do as well) that the biggest areas of job loss will be in the professional sectors like administration, accounting, programming, journalists as well as a lot of the legal profession. i think its going to be a lot wider scale than that, there are already prototypes of drones that harvest fruit, using AI to identify the fruit and its ripeness etc. there are already self-driving taxis on the streets in two major cities and while they currently suck and cause all kinds of stupid issues, in a couple decades if shipping companies can save money by replacing truck drivers with AI they are absolutely going to do that. the customs and border control procedures in international airports are becoming more automated and using AI for various tasks. it's creeping into a ton of areas.
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 19:09
|
|
Tarkus posted:I can see that happening. I mean the size of the communities of people who do these things will be smaller but they will be more radical and creative than the AI stuff. tbh i wouldn't care how radical or creative (or even good!) it is, i just think that making and sharing stuff with real people you actually know is much more fulfilling than endlessly pimping it to online randos
|
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 19:15
|
|
|
Clipperton posted:tbh i wouldn't care how radical or creative (or even good!) it is, i just think that making and sharing stuff with real people you actually know is much more fulfilling than endlessly pimping it to online randos true but you kind of have to do the latter if you want to survive doing the former i mean live theatre is great and ive been doing it for twenty years. but if its the kind of show where only "real people you actually know" are in the audience then its probably also a show you aren't getting paid for. which is fine and i do various kinds of art for free in certain circumstances especially with friends, but also i do think people should be able to make art for a living so if people are going to be putting a premium on real live in-person human art it in an AI-choked future i hope that would also involve a bit more in the living wage department.
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 19:20
|
|
Earwicker posted:true but you kind of have to do the latter if you want to survive doing the former oh i'm strictly talking about amateur stuff here
|
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 19:25
|
|
|
Earwicker posted:i think its going to be a lot wider scale than that, there are already prototypes of drones that harvest fruit, using AI to identify the fruit and its ripeness etc. there are already self-driving taxis on the streets in two major cities and while they currently suck and cause all kinds of stupid issues, in a couple decades if shipping companies can save money by replacing truck drivers with AI they are absolutely going to do that. the customs and border control procedures in international airports are becoming more automated and using AI for various tasks. it's creeping into a ton of areas. Yeah, this is true. Though I think many of the ones that require some physical component like handling objects or negotiating a complex environment will still have people either doing it or overseeing operations for at least the next 5-10 years. Robots are still quite expensive and they're not very good still. I say that now but who knows in 2 years what will happen. I've been keeping track of all the things going on in the ML space and the speed of progress has been breakneck in comparison to even 5 years ago. I think the new models and volume of compute we have has sparked a technological inflection point, it's going to be a scary ride but ultimately I think it'll be OK for the most part.
|
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 19:27
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 2, 2024 15:53 |
|
|
Tarkus posted:I think the new models and volume of compute we have has sparked a technological inflection point, it's going to be a scary ride but ultimately I think it'll be OK for the most part. who is "we"? like you understand that some people will be ok and some won't, right? if you've got a team of 8 people doing a job and replace 6 of those people with a robot and the other 2 people still work there to oversee that robot, then that means 2 of those people are ok and 6 aren't. also, again, a city is a complex environment and there are already robots navigating it, driving taxis without humans in control at all. its not some hypothetical its already happened. Earwicker fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Aug 18, 2023 |
|
#
?
Aug 18, 2023 19:32
|
|