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it’s cheating if you change your stats with a hack or a program, but if you roll the dice 10000 times until you get a great roll total and 18/95+ strength, it’s not cheating
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Agreed, and furthermore the devs included a console that lets you summon tomes of attribute increases, so that's clearly intended player behavior and also not cheating.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:05
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Base stats aren't even real. Just drink potions.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:07
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my cleric told me not to mix an elixir of cloud giant strength with my boner potion, but what does he know?
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steinrokkan posted:It makes no sense to have BG3 as a new "benchmark" not every rpg can be a super project developed over 10 years by a huge veteran studio. It's like saying that every movie should be measured against Avatar in the Cgi department. It's just delusional poo poo gamers are repeating on Twitter again so they can feel involved and like they're actually distinguished critics really driving at the heart of what the industry lacks with astonishing conclusions such as "This game better, you must make better game too."
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Aug 21, 2023 20:43
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Also just mindblowing that people are also concluding that the reason the game succeeded is because they made "A complete, finished product that doesn't have microtransactions" like that hasn't been virtually every singleplayer cRPG released for the past 30 years, thanks a lot for the revolutionary commentary - Baldur's Gate 3 even has a busted rear end endgame like every cRPG released for the past 30 years, it's actually pretty impressive how true it is to the genre right down to when it decides to fall apart and start running out of steam.
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I think people are just excited that a good game came out for PC that isn't a second class citizen to the console version and also it's doing really well critically and commercially, which is pretty rare you gotta admit. Games used to just come out on PC and that was that but PC gaming is like a small fraction of the games industry nowadays, according to nothing in particular other than my own out of touch opinions And also it isn't like a weird style MMO or spreadsheet based game or something like that which can't exist on consoles
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steinrokkan posted:It makes no sense to have BG3 as a new "benchmark" not every rpg can be a super project developed over 10 years by a huge veteran studio. It's like saying that every movie should be measured against Avatar in the Cgi department. That's not what people want. What they want is finished and polished experiences with no micro transaction bullshit.
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Cosmik Debris posted:I think people are just excited that a good game came out for PC that isn't a second class citizen to the console version and also it's doing really well critically and commercially, which is pretty rare you gotta admit. PC gaming market makes billions more than the console market. It's the single most prolific way to play games on the planet. I think people are excited that a genre that doesn't usually receive claim or games of this immense size and density has been recognized as something that can be a mainstream success, which hopefully means we'll get more big budget turn based cRPGs. Along with people who have never played the genre and are now mind-blown by a new experience that they never realized could be as fun as it is. However, the game has had inordinate amounts of money shoveled into it from both the developers and from the EA process, has had a six year development process, is based on a long developed skeleton and structure they established with two previous games in OS1 and 2, and was done in a way that the vast, vast majority of developers can't ever hope to do, which is produce this huge, big budget title without publisher oversight attempting to prune it done into a "cRPG for the masses" while utilizing the success of a game that was already an outrageous financial outlier in the genre (OS2 made bundles compared to other games of its type). Ultimately people are just crying out for more products produced in utterly unsustainable ways that can't be easily replicated. Developers are already making games in brutally unsustainable ways while working several years, sometimes half a decade, on a single project with ballooning budgets that have inordinate amounts of oversight so it isn't a financial disaster. You're asking people to build a mountain with shovels. You can't just create a Larian situation out of the ether. Their company is also ancient and was around long before they ever achieved mainstream success with OS2. Obsidian didn't have these resources when they made Pillars of Eternity, Disco Elysium was a tortured process in and of itself and they still had to pull it off by the skin of their teeth, games like Pathfinder are a moderate success, but the relative size of their teams and budget were still much lower. Making something with the ridiculous reactivity of BG3 is an inordinate task, people can't rear end-pull it, these kinds of cRPGs are already notorious for being buggy messes because they collapse under the weight of their own ambition. Baldur's Gate 3 isn't even different in that regard, it's buggy as poo poo, I have no idea where people are getting "polished" from. Complete, sure, but the third act is a disaster. Even if players can say "Oh well I don't want the development process to be bad or near impossible to organically replicate, I just want more games like this." and it's like, how do you think games like this get made? The developers saying it's a ludicrous standard are correct. Lil Swamp Booger Baby fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Aug 21, 2023 |
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I guess this poo poo is annoying because ideally we should be making much smaller games, with smaller teams, for a lower price point, with a much shorter dev cycle. That's how things should be so that there's some kind of sanity to the process, and maybe occasionally some big release is collaborated on and built in the way other developers helped out Kojima Productions with Death Stranding, but people want games to be bigger, better, more polished, with better graphics, better production values, better everything - even if they claim otherwise, and the tools and organization we use to make games just cannot possibly do that without being a grinding mill of horror.
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i just want astarion by my side in every game i play from now on, i don’t think that’s too much to ask
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BG3 is great, I hope everyone stops making indie games to focus on more Infinity Engine sequels.
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credburn posted:Are the Pathfinder games worth playing? Skip the first one, it's basically a petulant DM simulator. I've heard tabletop gamers say they have walked away from tables for less than the ridiculous situations that game puts you in - and I can see why. I'm actually having fun with WoTR. It's worth a shot from what I've played so far but I haven't finished it.
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steinrokkan posted:Agreed, and furthermore the devs included a console that lets you summon tomes of attribute increases, so that's clearly intended player behavior and also not cheating. unironically agreed
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credburn posted:Are the Pathfinder games worth playing? Kingmaker was alright. I gave up on wrath of the righteous pretty quick. Think kingmaker is going for like £3 at the mo on the humble store https://www.humblebundle.com/store/pathfinder-kingmaker-enhanced-plus-edition
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:PC gaming market makes billions more than the console market. It's the single most prolific way to play games on the planet. Lol no it's not, Nintendo, like the biggest games company in the world by revenue, doesn't even make PC games let alone sell them on its store. Mostly ditto for a lot of big Sony games. quote:The Numbers: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/report-pc-and-console-global-gaming-dipped-to-923bn-in-2022#:~:text=The%20Numbers%3A,1.8%25%20year%2Don%2Dyear Switch has sold like 150 million units or something ridiculous. Xbox is getting it eventually, and while switch won't get BG3, it's more powerful successor almost certainly will. Cosmik Debris fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Aug 22, 2023 |
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credburn posted:Are the Pathfinder games worth playing? As far as plot and character writing, they're competent but not outstanding. That's the same bucket I'd put the BG1&2 into. Not Icewind Dale/NWN1 bad, but not Torment good. Wrath's cast is generally more interesting than Kingmaker's. Encounter design in them can tend towards enemies being stacks of big numbers to beat your head against, especially if you turn up the difficulty. On normal (which is easier than tabletop rules), it's not unreasonably difficult, but you'll need to be okay at least one or two of "build halfway competent characters" / "use buffs" / "use consumables". It's certainly possible to screw builds up in ways that will make combat frustrating (example: Wrath is mostly about fighting demons. All demons are immune to lightning. Nothing mechanically stops you from building a mostly-useless wizard with a bunch of lightning spells who doesn't take the "ignore lightning immunity" feat). Their extra gimmicks (kingdom management in Kingmaker and the HoMM/King's Bounty-lite wargame in Wrath) are generally poorly thought of, but you can turn the difficulty on those down to nothing and mostly ignore them.
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I likely won't play BG3 for years to tell where it lands but Icewind Dale's setting dressing is the only good D&D game writing. The only reason I have not to call it best written is the whole stunt at the end that makes it all Drizzt fan fiction. The Pathfinder games do have really fun character writing that is a great antidote to the Bioware party member tropes that have permeated this style of game. They all feel like characters played by weirdos you find on a bulletin board ad, even the special Pathfinder copyrighted snowflakes (especially the snowflakes). That also means the annoying characters are truly annoying which turns people off.
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The new EE companions were pretty annoying, especially Rasaad. Man, what a wiener that guy is. Always getting his rear end kicked and complaining about his lame karate friends.
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I'm playing BG3 and the game is almost intrusive with how many chances I get to bone down with a party member wtf. Is BG2 also this horny? It's honestly uncomfortable. Why can't these characters just have normal conversations?
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i remember it being a lot harder to romance people in bg2, and also, each romance option has their own theme music. bg2 music is just a hell of a lot better than bg3 in general.
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You can't bone down in BG2 without first fixing your partners issues as is the proper Christian way.
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Mr. Merdle posted:I'm playing BG3 and the game is almost intrusive with how many chances I get to bone down with a party member wtf. Is BG2 also this horny? It's honestly uncomfortable. Why can't these characters just have normal conversations? Wizards gently caress too, get over it mom
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Also if your PC was a woman, there was only one potential romance candidate, who was the most annoying m'lady redditor incel imaginable.
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There's a BG3 conversation where Gabe the wizard asks you what you're thinking about and your options are "smooching you on the mouth" or "punching you in the guts" and the latest big patch added a middle ground response as a highlighted new feature.
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steinrokkan posted:Also if your PC was a woman, there was only one potential romance candidate, who was the most annoying m'lady redditor incel imaginable. I think I remember hearing that Valygar and Haer'Dalis romances were planned, but Jaheira's romance ballooned out of scope to the point Aerie's and Viconia's weren't even started yet, so they canned the other romances for female PCs to get them out the door, figuring the romance options for male PCs would be more popular.
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I’m certainly no prude but can you turn off the dick suckin and such?
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bitterandtwisted posted:There's a BG3 conversation where Gabe the wizard asks you what you're thinking about and your options are "smooching you on the mouth" or "punching you in the guts" and the latest big patch added a middle ground response as a highlighted new feature. Hahaha I just had this conversation and was like "why are these even options?"
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BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:I’m certainly no prude but can you turn off the dick suckin and such?
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steinrokkan posted:Also if your PC was a woman, there was only one potential romance candidate, who was the most annoying m'lady redditor incel imaginable. Yeah you can only date healers, and the mans are all too busy hitting things
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zedprime posted:No one will stop you if you want to get turned off by dick suckin and such. That's between you and your therapist. I’m actually afraid about getting turned on TOO much. I have very limited gaming time and want to focus on gameplay rather than tuggin too much due to ogrestimulation.
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steinrokkan posted:Also if your PC was a woman, there was only one potential romance candidate, who was the most annoying m'lady redditor incel imaginable. And if your character was gay, you had zero romance options. BG2: Closet of Bhaal.
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Dial A For Awesome posted:And if your character was gay, you had zero romance options. BG2: Closet of Bhaal. When I was still a teen playing through the games/various mods I always thought it'd be fun to make one that removed the gender requirements but changed the romances just enough to still make sense narratively speaking, call it Baldur's Gayte or something lol I probably won't play 3 for a while since I haven't had an actual PC in ages but the fact NPCs apparently react with The Sims-level indiscriminate sexual preferences does warm my otherwise dead gay heart a bit
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everyone in faerun is horny at all times, just 100% horned up and ready to plow at a moment’s notice. as always, it’s due to the meddling of the gods in the affairs of mortals. the writers can’t just ignore it, it’s canon.
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Bigby's Blownout Bussy
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Bad Purchase posted:everyone in faerun is horny at all times, just 100% horned up and ready to plow at a moment’s notice. as always, it’s due to the meddling of the gods in the affairs of mortals. the writers can’t just ignore it, it’s canon. This checks out.
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Bad Purchase posted:everyone in faerun is horny at all times, just 100% horned up and ready to plow at a moment’s notice. as always, it’s due to the meddling of the gods in the affairs of mortals. the writers can’t just ignore it, it’s canon. Yeah I read the elminster books too.
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