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okay so I like dicking around with old computers, bit of a hobby. I actually make money off it. On and off I've tried to use OS/2 because people apparently liked it in the 1990s. My experiences thus far: - Unable to boot on a Pentium 60 due to the video card not working right. Unable to ever fix. This hardware was absolutely on the shelves at the time and this was never fixed. - Unable to install on various hard drives because they were just TOO DANG BIG. How the gently caress you manage to balls this up so bad that within years of your OS release you can't actually install it on anything I don't even know. Mac and Windows* don't have this problem so it's not like it was some sort of secret mythical magic. - Unable to install the video card drivers for a 1997 system because they are bugged, despite using the newest 2001 release, which inexplicably does not come with drivers. - Unable to get the sound card on the same system to work because, again, inexplicably it lacks built in ones. Installing the OEM ones is a dumb PITA and I hate it. - Neither the video card nor sound card drivers are recognized by the system driver installer app, and both have their own weirdo bespoke installer systems. - lmfao it uses literal config.sys - which you cannot edit from the terminal - Unable to get CD drives to work with various attempts because for some reason it has no generic ATAPI driver. Despite, again, that a driver existed for DOS that's super easy to use so what the gently caress IBM. Let alone the fact it's just a cluttered and lovely mess to actually use with a UI designed by the same team in charge of fighter jet cockpits. It's trash hell garbage even compared to how awful everything was in the era and I cannot fathom why anyone would choose this over Mac or windows. Installing Red Hat 6 was literally easier and more user friendly. was everyone just stupid and/or drunk in the 1990s why was this acceptable and beyond that desirable. this os is a pos *NT-old does but I suspect that's entirely because it shared the OS2 team early on and they suck. SRQ fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Aug 15, 2023 |
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Aug 15, 2023 10:55
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they ran a lot of magazine ads
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Aug 15, 2023 11:02
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nobody ever got fired for buying ibm
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Aug 15, 2023 13:26
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It's almost as if an operating system has a supported hardware list and your hardware ain't on it. Now you're mad that THE STUPID THING DOESN'T WORK. OS/2 was fuckin awesome because I could run my 14.4 BBS and also use my computer at the same time thanks to the magic of FOSSIL. Anyone who has bad things to say about OS/2 is automatically outing themselves as an idiot, because OS/2 was the only OS that wasn't a piece of poo poo. So maybe before lighting up a dumbass review of an OS you couldn't ever get running on account of (already mentioned but bears repeating) being a dumbass, maybe you could use an emulator or something else suitable for children and babies? Man up, get a PS/2 mod 80 and 8514 like a real chad, and experience the TRUE GLORY of OS/2
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Aug 15, 2023 13:34
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:nobody ever got fired for buying ibm indeed remains true if no one buys ibm
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Visual GNUdio posted:Man up, get a PS/2 mod 80 and 8514 like a real chad, and experience the TRUE GLORY of OS/2 lol
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Aug 15, 2023 15:24
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I was going to say "elitist contrarianism" but then visual gnudio just went and QED'ed it first
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Aug 15, 2023 16:01
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i've never seen os/2 being used anywhere so I don't know if it's good or not
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SRQ posted:okay so I like dicking around with old computers, bit of a hobby. I actually make money off it. this is an ibm product from the 90s, the QVL is not a suggestion, it is an actual list of what the os will run on. if you gently caress with old hardware as a hobby i have no idea how you've never run into both low level bios and filesystem limitations on drive geometry and volume size, that too was a thing for a very long time. did you know it's possible to have too much ram to boot some os?
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Aug 15, 2023 16:08
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if that's the experience you're looking for today, have you considered linux?
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like, congratulations, you've discovered what computer touching was like in the 90s. the things you described were the norm and the biggest difference from today is you didn't have 30 years of collected knowledge and drivers at your fingertips
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my family "upgraded" from a 512Ke Mac to a 486/DX4 running OS/2 and I think part of the appeal was the compatibility layer where you could (nominally) run multitasked (!) DOS and Win3.x applications in addition to all your favourite OS/2 programs (GalCiv 1, LotusSuite, the built-in 3D chess game???) of course in practice nothing ever worked right; I spent ages trying to get MOO1 for DOS running correctly under it but we'd always have weird spurious hangs that were impossible to diagnose cowboy beepboop posted:they ran a lot of magazine ads and let's not forget that this was approaching the peak IBM commerical era, too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqHD0XRLsH4
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Visual GNUdio posted:because OS/2 was the only OS that wasn't a piece of poo poo. *for consumer hardware. unix workstations that ran a real os could cost more than a new car at the time
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also I'd never seen this early OS/2 logo until now and it fuckin whips, who wouldn't want to use an OS with a logo like this
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windows 95 even through XP had you needing to install vendor drivers manually, hardly anything was built into the OS. if you lost that cd that came with your motherboard with the word "chipset" printed on it, you were hosed
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what does the os/2 stand for? operating system?? 2?????
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SRQ posted:- Unable to install on various hard drives because they were just TOO DANG BIG. How the gently caress you manage to balls this up so bad that within years of your OS release you can't actually install it on anything I don't even know. Mac and Windows* don't have this problem so it's not like it was some sort of secret mythical magic. how are you only just discovering that drive size limits are a thing in older OSes?  DOS didn't like anything over 504MB. early windows didn't like 2GB. various BIOS bugs caused 8GB, 32GB, or 64GB limits. and >128GB wasn't supported until one of the XP service packs
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echinopsis posted:what does the os/2 stand for? operating system?? 2????? yes. you had ps/2 (personal system 2) and os/2. it was the 2nd major computer from ibm or so they said.
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echinopsis posted:what does the os/2 stand for? operating system?? 2????? "orgasm stimulator 2" it's actually derived from the OS that ran on every 90s vibrator"
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polyester concept posted:windows 95 even through XP had you needing to install vendor drivers manually, hardly anything was built into the OS. if you lost that cd that came with your motherboard with the word "chipset" printed on it, you were hosed Sweevo posted:how are you only just discovering that drive size limits are a thing in older OSes? op sounds like someone whose first computer was a pentium 4 running windows xp. drivers being distributed with the os was basically not a thing for the longest time, and if you did get something with basic feature support, you'd still want to dig up the oem driver disk because if it worked at all it would be slow as poo poo and missing features
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wait until op discovers that hard drives had jumpers to set certain settings including limiting the reported capacity to the bios because otherwise the system couldn't boot with them attached
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i remember getting our first family computer in the 90s and i was so excited to get it home and play games, but everyone from people at the store, to our neighbors, to relatives, were all telling us that it was gonna take at least a day to set it all up and get it running.
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OS/2? no OS/2 Warp?? 
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if you want os/2 to work out of the box, you run it on something like this
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polyester concept posted:windows 95 even through XP had you needing to install vendor drivers manually you still do if you want things like video drivers that aren't stripped down and months out of date
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infernal machines posted:if you want os/2 to work out of the box, you run it on something like this this guy knows whats up
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rotor posted:OS/2? no good post as i am pretty sure that the only good thing about os/2 warp was that it is the best name an os has ever had
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rotor posted:this guy knows whats up the only thing i had to install drivers for was the xircom pcmcia ethernet card. somehow the original floppy still worked
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they called it os/2 because it was, at best, half an operating system
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it's a good OS
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skills issue
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post hole digger posted:skills issue
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infernal machines posted:if you want os/2 to work out of the box, you run it on something like this 
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when i went to go buy simcity 2000 at egghead software in the mid 90s, the guy behind the counter scoffed that i was buying the mac version, that apple would be dead in two years, and suggested i buy the next version of os/2 because it would have powerpc/mac os emulation. well, that's my os/2 story
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using os/2 warp while on the warped tour #just90sthings
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it was probably better than OS/1
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infernal machines posted:if you want os/2 to work out of the box, you run it on something like this i would like to use the laptop with the thickness of a phone book (unironically)
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i borrow a friend of my stepdad's old toshiba satellite for a while once. was actually a really nice laptop even if it weighed a fucktonne, got very hot and had a battery life of like an hour
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jony neuemonic posted:i would like to use the laptop with the thickness of a phone book (unironically) Good news! https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Vintage+IBM+Thinkpad
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