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ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

mawarannahr posted:

HOCl isn't bleach though

nexous posted:

it is if you get the pH wrong

If you get the pH wrong it's not HOCL.

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ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

quote:

There are 3 days left to register for the Public infection control advisory committee HICPAC meeting (you CAN, but don’t have to speak!)

Don’t let HICPAC weaken protections against infection in healthcare!

Register here: https://cdc.gov/hicpac/meeting.html

Also: 3 days left to sign WHN’s letter to tell HICPAC their draft guidelines DO NOT adequately protect healthcare workers and patients!

Sign here: https://forms.gle/oDZTjY5yHWwqRwjn6

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

quote:

Objective: To determine the most physiologic and effective saline concentration for nasal irrigation in terms of mucus secretion and cellular morphology by using normal human nasal epithelial cells treated with hypo-, iso- and hypertonic saline.

Material and methods: Fully differentiated passage-2 normal human nasal epithelial cells were treated with pure water and with 0.3% (hypotonic), 0.9% (isotonic) and 3% (hypertonic) saline solutions. mRNA expression levels of MUC5AC and MUC5B, which are known to be major airway mucins, were analyzed after 30 min using reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction. Total mucin and MUC5AC and MUC5B mucin secretions were analyzed using dot-blotting. Cellular morphology was observed with light microscopy after hematoxylin-eosin staining and with scanning electron microscopy.

Results: MUC5AC and MUC5B mRNA levels did not change after treatment with pure water and various concentrations of saline. Total mucin and MUC5AC mucin secretions only increased following pure water treatment, while MUC5B mucin secretion increased with pure water, hypo- and hypertonic saline treatment. Morphologic analysis revealed that pure water severely damaged normal human nasal epithelial cells and that only isotonic saline did not affect their morphology.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16303677/

https://ir.ymlib.yonsei.ac.kr/bitstream/22282913/123197/1/T009388.pdf

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
looks like some doctors got around to trying to help Laura Miers

quote:

I hauled my broken, wasting body into Colorectal surgery amid skyrocketing Covid hospitalizations. I weigh less than 100 lbs. I’ve lost 60lbs since 2020. I don’t live, I exist. Every single motherf**ker in this office is entirely unmasked. Doctors, staff, patients—everyone.

Nothing matters anymore. https://t.co/sXheb8CY4D

Our local teaching hospital, before the current surge. Nurses from another local hospital are striking. We live in hell. https://t.co/TtGVQoaVOq

I’m now expected to beg the unmasked doctor for help with my life-threatening post-Covid complications. I don’t think people understand what a mindf**k this all is. I just want to throw up my hands & let out a guttural scream in the middle of the waiting room. Deliver me.

Me, to the unmasked tech taking my vitals: “Yes, my vitals are going to be high. Covid x2 really messed me up. I have a lot of BP/heart problems, assorted organ damage...” Tech: “You know I’ve heard it has been doing that to people! Just messing up their whole lives.”

Colorectal can’t address my weight loss, as apparently that’s for my unmasked GI doctor who interrupts me & shuts me down when I blame Covid for my exacerbated GI complications. He literally sent me here to Colorectal. All I do is go back and forth. This is why we give up.

HOLD UP—I spoke too soon. The NP said that & then the doctor came in. She EXAMINED ME—a doctor touched my body for the 1st time in 2 years. I have IMMENSE DYSFUNCTION, there are nodules, all kinds of issues. I’m getting a flex sig now. This is the best day of my life. JFC

I’m getting a CT scan & a ton of bloodwork. She said the days of being dismissed are over. I’ve been walking around with “IMMENSE DYSFUNCTION” + tumors while being gaslit for 3 years. Now I’m preparing myself for a cancer diagnosis & I don’t even care because it’s SOMETHING.

5 people came in for the exam & sigmoidoscopy & they DID don masks for that so that’s a plus. 3 doctors examined me and marveled over my severe dysfunction. They were lining up to feel & I was like “Come one, come all—I can’t feel it anyway. 😬” Anyway, please listen to patients.

It only took two years.

https://t.co/IuTcWTSd23

https://twitter.com/LauraMiers/status/1691519142229086208

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

fosborb posted:

throw some links my way. my understanding is that studies are ongoing but still inconclusive so I'm going to approach it that way unless you send me something different

I think this is the best study for nasal rinsing with saline.

"SARS-CoV-2+ participants initiating nasal irrigation were over 8 times less likely to be hospitalized than the national rate."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36007135/

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
dragged from the previous thread, they're suggesting a fever be the deciding factor for whether kids go to school or stay home, when Eris isn't giving people fevers.

quote:

"[The main symptoms of the new Omicron strain EG.5.1] are a sore throat, a runny nose, a blocked nose, sneezing, a cough without phlegm, a headache, a cough with phlegm, a hoarse voice, muscle aches and pains and an altered sense of smell.. However, shortness of breath, a loss of smell and a fever are no longer the main symptoms."


quote:

Fever is no longer the main symptom..


quote:

10 symptoms of Eris strain

Sore throat
Runny nose
Blocked nose
Sneezing
Dry cough
Headache
Wet cough
Hoarse voice
Muscle aches
Altered smell



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ten-symptoms-new-rising-covid-30643261

https://nitter.net/Yash25571056/status/1688356021964820481

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

quote:

According to a posting on the CDC website, the reorganization plan for the already struggling agency began on Aug. 14 with shifts in staffing. That will be followed by administration shifts on Oct. 1. The plan began under the administration of Rochelle Walensky and will continue under the new CDC director, Mandy Cohen. Cohen comes to the directorship from her position as executive vice president of the venture capital-backed startup Aledade Care Solutions, an accountable care organization for primary care doctors.

As with any organization, the CDC’s highest cost is in staffing. Based on her experience at Aledade, Cohen knows that the best way to achieve better efficiency is to reduce overhead. Her first target will likely take the form of staff reduction. When asked directly by STAT’s Helen Branswell in late July about the need for staff layoffs to meet the demands of budget cuts, Cohen was evasive.

https://www.statnews.com/2023/08/16/cdc-budget-cuts-staffing-layoffs/

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/springsteen/status/1691872953414115424

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/Kenneth33071904/status/1691967375942574559

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
about enemies!

https://twitter.com/tamaranopper/status/1691924804910170486

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
I only listen to specifically curated strangers on the internet.

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

quote:

Some patients admitted to a Vancouver Island hospital over the long weekend were stunned to receive a notice telling them that even though they’d been admitted, there wasn’t a doctor available to care for them.

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“The situation is not ideal and it's not a situation we want to find ourselves in,” said Marko Peljhan. “We do have a shortage of physicians on the site, that is not unusual for us at Nanaimo Regional General Hospital and you’ll find that in many jurisdictions across the island and across the province and the country.”

Several sources at the hospital tell CTV News the facility has been on the brink for some time, and Peljhan acknowledges the departure of just two hospitalist doctors “that provided the majority of in-patient care” was enough to tip the scales.

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Hospitalists doctors have the same training as family physicians, who often practice in both settings. However, while primary care physicians have a collective contract on what they’re paid by the province for their services, each health authority negotiates with the hospitalists in each facility on an agreement; it’s restricted by the conditions and terms imposed by the provincial government, meaning it’s very difficult to provide special incentives or compensation for difficult-to-staff hospitals. 

Nanaimo’s hospitalists have been without a contract for years and have similar issues as doctors in the Lower Mainland who went public with their issues and related patient safety concerns earlier this year.

more

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-health-care-crisis-no-doctors-available-for-hospitalized-patients-1.6512995

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

https://twitter.com/sick_but_trying/status/1691856660682227797

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
I mean it's not going to be much longer anyone has a doctor, it'll just be some venture capital AI, a nurse, and a security guard.

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

StratGoatCom posted:

Fortunately, the AI bubble seems to be bursting, so this risk doesn't seem to be real at least until the coming AI winter is over.

All they need is something to game the insurance companies and the patient for the desired level of profit.

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

quote:

Doctors and scientists who study Covid-19 agree that for most common people, getting infected for a second — or third or fourth — time is basically inevitable.

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

fosborb posted:

general thread thing

I'm begging everyone to please put at least some context around tweets about a celebrity being unspecifically ill

is this related to covid? he had it earlier, right? is it something else? is there some element to the story that makes it fit itt?

I get enough contextless celebrity gossip from my bing.com homepage

The thing is, if they don't admit it's covid to hide it, not noting it happened is colluding in their covering it up. Following some kind of moneyed public relations decorum to everyone's disadvantage.

I was thinking also government and capital will go all out this time to bury any indication of this next wave so they can say it's over. They've been doing that all along, and they'll keep trying until everyone gives up.

Kind of counterproductive to cooperate with and enforce that imo.

ibid has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Aug 18, 2023

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

Bastard Tetris posted:

Yep it’s that, mucous membranes do not like alcohols

I've been reading about mucins lately, gotta keep your mucins happy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7663010/

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acscentsci.1c01369

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
(The word common wasn't there until I added it. Supposed to be a critique of the article and more accurate to what they were saying,)

ibid has issued a correction as of 06:03 on Aug 18, 2023

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

Pillowpants posted:

fwiw hospitalizations have been stagnant for the past week, hovering around 790 0- so this wave maybe be over, or they’re hiding it

Jort Fortress posted:

My 91yo grandma has been stuck in a nursing home doing rehab the past 2 weeks after breaking her hip at home. Shockingly, both her and my grandpa are now sick with Summer Flu for the first time. Guess my grandpa had it so bad he was hospitalized the last 3 nights, and according to my uncle they didn't even test him for Covid, instead suggesting it might be bronchitis or RSV. They also told my uncle he didn't need to wear his mask in the hospital, lmao.

Thank God for all these tools that are available!

Or just not testing

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/JPWeiland/status/1692307567123546355

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/pedsmd2b/status/1692319357333037385
https://twitter.com/pedsmd2b/status/1692323957733814296

ibid has issued a correction as of 06:25 on Aug 18, 2023

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

Steve Yun posted:

my roommate went back to urgent care because one of his mastectomy stitches isn’t healing properly

luckily despite the hospital mask mandate being lifted last Friday in LA county, almost everyone is still wearing masks at Kaiser. both health care and patients. roommate only saw three people without masks

not sure if it’s inertia or people noticing there’s a wave going on, hoping it lasts

I hope their pediatric cancer ward is the same.

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

“not worth panicking at this stage”

:airquote:

ibid has issued a correction as of 15:37 on Aug 18, 2023

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
he really is a miserable little poo poo

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/laurieallee/status/1692324204996436380
https://twitter.com/LauraMiers/status/1692340941900644531

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

quote:

What!?!?

Severe COVID-19 may cause long-lasting alterations to the innate immune system, the first line of defense against pathogens, according to a small study funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of the National Institutes of Health. These changes may help explain why the disease can damage so many different organs and why some people with long COVID have high levels of inflammation throughout the body. The findings were published online today in the journal Cell.

Researchers led by Steven Z. Josefowicz, Ph.D., of Weill Cornell Medicine in New York City examined immune cells and molecules in blood samples from 38 people recovering from severe COVID-19 and other severe illnesses, as well as from 19 healthy people. Notably, the researchers established a new technique for collecting, concentrating and characterizing very rare blood-forming stem cells that circulate in the blood, eliminating the need to extract such cells from bone marrow.

In these rare stem cells—the parents of immune-system cells—taken from people recovering from COVID-19, the scientists identified changes in the instructions for which genes got turned on or off. These changes were passed down to daughter cells, leading them to boost production of immune cells called monocytes. In the monocytes from people recovering from severe COVID-19, the changes in gene expression led the cells to pump out greater amounts of molecules called inflammatory cytokines than monocytes from people who were healthy or had non-COVID-19 illnesses. The researchers observed these changes as much as a year after the participants came down with COVID-19. Due to the small number of study participants, the scientists could not establish a direct association between the cellular and molecular changes and health outcomes.

The investigators suspected that an inflammatory cytokine called IL-6 might play role in establishing the changes in gene-expression instructions. They tested their hypothesis both in mice with COVID-19-like disease and in people with COVID-19. In these experiments, some of the subjects received antibodies at the early stage of illness that prevented IL-6 from binding to cells. During recovery, these mice and people had lower levels of altered stem cell gene-expression instructions, monocyte production and inflammatory cytokine production than subjects that didn’t receive the antibody. In addition, the lungs and brains of mice that received the antibodies had fewer monocyte-derived cells and less organ damage.

These findings suggest that SARS-CoV-2 can cause changes in gene expression that ultimately boost the production of inflammatory cytokines, and one type of those cytokines perpetuates the process by inducing these changes in stem cells even after the illness is over. Additionally, the findings suggest that early-acting IL-6 is likely a major driver of long-term inflammation in people with severe COVID-19. These findings shed light on the pathogenesis of SARS-CoV-2 infection and may provide new leads for therapies.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new..._medium=twitter

ibid has issued a correction as of 06:55 on Aug 19, 2023

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/status/1692591119001927862

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
He's so pathologically fixated on this process and explaining it, it's desperation.

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

Steve Yun posted:

a 1 in 1000 death rate…

if everyone in the us was vaccinated and got Covid, that would be 330,000 dead

minimum, since that's for 0-59 yo. Per infection.

ibid has issued a correction as of 08:04 on Aug 19, 2023

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
god drat

https://twitter.com/CDCEnvironment/status/1692281921550614785

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

Pingui posted:

Fruit fly study indicating that ACE2 interference/depletion could be the cause of neuromuscular complications:

News article on the matter:

https://scitechdaily.com/unmasking-the-long-covid-mystery-new-study-reveals-cause-of-muscle-weakness/#google_vignette posted:

quote:

Unmasking the Long COVID Mystery: New Study Reveals Cause of Muscle Weakness
(..)
Around one in three individuals who recover from COVID-19 continue to experience life-disrupting symptoms, such as persistent fatigue, shortness of breath, ‘brain fog’ (a term used to describe concentration difficulties), and muscle weakness. The origin of long COVID, despite its increasing global impact on daily life, has remained a mystery.

SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus responsible for COVID-19, latches onto the ACE2 (angiotensin-converting enzyme 2) receptor, which acts as the doorway through which the virus infects cells. In a pioneering study, researchers at the University of Malta exploited fruit flies to curb down the levels of the ACE2 receptor. In the absence of the virus, this was enough to induce fatigue and diminished mobility.

“Our research clearly shows that depletion of ACE2 is central to the neuromuscular complications experienced by a significant percentage of COVID-19 patients,” said Professor Ruben Cauchi, who heads the Motor Neuron Disease Laboratory at the University of Malta.
(..)
When analyzing molecular defects in organisms with downregulated ACE2 levels, the Maltese scientists discovered a breakdown in communication between nerves and muscles. Several key molecules required for nerves to send messages to muscles were found compromised.

Various paths are thought to coalesce to bring down ACE2 levels or dampen its function in humans following a coronavirus infection. “In addition to being hijacked by the virus, the ACE2 receptor on the cell’s surface can also be targeted by autoantibodies, with the immune system attacking the body as it does in Multiple Sclerosis,” added Dr. Paul Herrera, who performed the intricate experiments that were crucial to the study. There have also been reports of virus persistence long after the initial infection.
(..)

also, too

quote:


Could fused neurons explain COVID-19’s ‘brain fog’?

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Researchers already knew that SARS-CoV-2 could cause certain cells to fuse together. The lungs of patients who die from severe COVID-19 are often riddled with large, multicellular structures called syncytia, which scientists believe may contribute to the respiratory symptoms of the disease. Like other viruses, SARS-CoV-2 may incite cells to fuse to help it spread across an organ without having to infect new cells.

To see whether such cell fusion might happen in brain cells, Massimo Hilliard, a neuroscientist at the University of Queensland, and his colleagues first genetically engineered two populations of mouse neurons: One expressed a red fluorescent molecule, and the other a green fluorescent molecule. If the two fused in a lab dish, they would show up as bright yellow under the microscope. That’s just what the researchers saw when they added SARS-CoV-2 to a dish containing both types of cells, they report today in Science Advances. The same fusion happened in human brain organoids, so-called minibrains that are created from stem cells.

The key appears to be angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), the protein expressed on the surface of mammalian cells that SARS-CoV-2 is known to target. The virus uses a surface protein called spike to bind to ACE2, triggering the virus to fuse to a cell and release its genetic material inside. Seemingly, the spike protein in infected cells may also make other ACE2 on a cell trigger fusion to a neighboring cell. When the team engineered neurons to express the spike protein, only cells that also expressed ACE2 were able to fuse with each other. The findings parallel previous work in lung cells: The ACE2 receptor seems to be critical in mediating their fusion during SARS-CoV-2 infection.

However, the neuronal syncytia seen in the lab dishes and organoids also had some peculiarities that made them stand out from those seen in lungs. When lung cells fused, only the main parts of the cell body connected to each other. Among neurons, in contrast, the fusion happened farther away from the cell body, at long, thin extensions known as dendrites and axons, which are critical for cell-cell communication.

The fusions seemed to disrupt this communication. Neurons typically fire independently, propagating signals throughout the brain. But 90% of the fused neurons fired at the same time, whereas the remaining 10% stayed silent. This massive amount of synchronous activity “is almost like a seizure,” Hilliard says. Brain fog could result when this delicate communication is disrupted, he says. Hillard’s group has previously shown that inducing neurons to fuse in the nervous system of the worm Caenorhabditis elegans blunted their ability to sense odors.

“These neurons are like Siamese twins, they are joined at the hip,” says Adonis Sfera, a psychiatrist associated with Patton State Hospital and Loma Linda University who was not involved with the study. “Can they function as neurons? Nobody knows that yet. But chances are they have lost some of that function.”

https://www.science.org/content/article/could-fused-neurons-explain-covid-19-s-brain-fog

ibid has issued a correction as of 09:44 on Aug 19, 2023

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/lisaabramowicz1/status/1692100085469823176

https://www.frbsf.org/our-district/about/sf-fed-blog/excess-no-more-dwindling-pandemic-savings/

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

quote:

The Biden administration’s effort to provide free Covid-19 vaccines to the uninsured will not start at retail pharmacies until mid-October, weeks after the government plans to make an updated version of the shot available to the broader public.

The gap in timing, which comes as Covid hospitalizations have ticked up in recent weeks, means that millions of Americans without health coverage will not be able to immediately get a no-cost vaccine at popular places like CVS and Walgreens, even as it will be widely available for those who have insurance.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed the delay in pharmacy availability, with spokesperson Kathleen Conley saying the government is still finalizing contracts with companies like CVS and Walgreens that will allow them to distribute the vaccines for free.

The CDC expects the updated vaccine rollout to begin the third or fourth week of September, she said. But the contracts with pharmacies will likely not be finished until mid-October.

The uninsured will instead need to go to federal health centers or individual providers for free vaccines during the first stage of the fall vaccination campaign. That adds a layer of complexity, public health officials warn, that could discourage people from getting the shot.

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But with roughly a month to go before the vaccine rollout, CDC has yet to finalize the contracts. The agency maintains that it had always planned to begin free vaccine distribution in pharmacies in mid-October, even as the shot will be made available elsewhere earlier, due to the time it would take to reach formal agreements with the pharmacy chains. State health officials and public health experts planning for the on-the-ground campaign say they’ve gotten few specifics about how it will work or when they should expect more clarity.

“There’s just been a whole host of questions about how the pharmacy program’s going to work,” said Hannan. “A lot of those questions have been met with ‘we’re still working that out, we’re working on the contract.’”

more

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/17/covid-vaccine-rollout-pharmacies-uninsured-00111496

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
steriwave

quote:


Weekly nasal photodisinfection of 1,500 workers in a meat processing plant in Western Canada reduced infection rate to only 0.5% during a seven-month period (December 2020 to May 2021). During the same period, the provincial rate was 6.4%. This data indicates the infectivity rate of the treated population was reduced by 91.54%.

No serious side effects from the nasal photodisinfection (total of 21,459 treatments) were recorded.

Prior to the availability of vaccines, global meat processing plants were adversely affected by the Covid-19 pandemic due to close working conditions, with many Canadian meat processing plants experiencing severe disruption or closure.

Newly published research in the journal Public Health Practice shows that a weekly program of nasal photodisinfection implemented at a major Western Canada meat packing plant, alongside standard safety measures recommended by the US Centre for Diseases Control and Prevention (“CDC”), reduced the COVID-19 positivity rate by over 91% when compared to the reported provincial positivity rate over the same seven-month period.

https://ondinebio.com/photodisinfection-cuts-covid-in-meat-processing-plant/

quote:

aPDT involves the application of a topical photosensitizer inside the nose, which has a positive charge that preferentially binds to negatively-charged microorganisms. Two small nasal cones connected to a light source are then inserted into the nares (nostrils) to activate the photosensitizer using a specific wavelength of red light. During illumination, the excited photosensitizer reacts with nearby oxygen which generates reactive oxygen species (ROS) that destroy a broad spectrum of microbes including bacteria, viruses, and fungi. This treatment is painless and takes approximately 5 min to administer.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666535223000393?via%3Dihub

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/Leeanne009/status/1692904960734666892

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

Gunshow Poophole posted:

... farid jalali has had to go protected since he posted the writeup which is a great indicator of how X The Everything App is going, gently caress me I can't even link to the tweet or find the paper now


"First, some introduction in order to better understand the premise and the findings of this work:

In the last 3 years, an exhaustive amount of research has been carried out to elucidate the precise events that directly cause progression of COVID from an early mild acute illness in the first few days, to a severe/fatal form in a subset.

Two specific early events key to such progression have been identified: The first key event identified is the early interaction between SARS-CoV-2 and megakaryocytes (MKs) in the bone marrow. PMID: 36920790, 35708858

If MKs are infected by SARS-CoV-2, the patient is anticipated to progress to severe COVID in the ensuing days. Vice versa, if MKs remain uninfected, the patient is expected to experience a mild course and recover. PMID: 35708858

The other key event that is thoroughly well-established to drive severe COVID is: The early production of a distinct form of antibody against the spike protein ("afucosylated") that delivers a double blow to the host ... PMID: 33361116

This distinct anti-spike IgG antibody: (1) Does not neutralize SARS-CoV-2 (2) And instead, triggers and directly drives the immune-mediated pathology of severe COVID

It goes without saying that upon infection with SARS-CoV-2, our immune system tries to produce antibodies against proteins of this virus, including the spike protein, with one goal: To neutralize and clear the infection. And this happens without deviation in a majority

However, not all antibodies targeting the spike protein are created equal in COVID. Anti-spike IgGs come in two forms in this disease, with dire consequences for the patient.

Multiple studies have shown this phenomenon. That the *quality* of antibodies produced early on in response to SARS-CoV-2 spike protein differs between individuals, and this variation determines the fate of the patient. PMID: 33361116, 33979301, 35040666

In fact, the detection of a distinct form of anti-spike IgG *early* in the illness accurately predicts who progresses to severe disease in the ensuing days, and who doesn’t progress and experiences only a mild illness.

So how is this variability in the anti-spike IgGs defined? Understanding this requires a brief background on antibody structure first:

IgG antibody structure comprises of: (1) antigen-binding region (“Fab”), where antigens such as spike protein are recognized and bound, and …

In the Fc regions of IgG, there are specific sites (at Asparagine 297) where modifications called “glycosylation” can change the inflammatory capability of each IgG.

For instance, the addition of a “fucose” moiety to this site on the Fc region would create a less inflammatory IgG. 90% of all IgGs in humans are formed this way, containing a fucose moiety, and referred to as “fucosylated” IgGs.

On the other hand (and of relevance to COVID), the lack of fucose in the Fc region of IgG, brings about an *intensely* inflammatory quality to the antibody. IgGs lacking fucose (“afucosylated” IgGs) have a 100-fold *higher* affinity for the FcyRIlla receptors on immune cells.

This translates into an extremely intense activation of monocytes, macrophages, NK and dendritic cells — all of which are then recruited to attack the antigen recognized and bound by the antibody

Less than 10% of human IgGs encountered are afucosylated, as these afucosylated IgGs are intensely inflammatory and can cause severe immune-mediated pathology.

Our immune system relies on fucosylated IgGs — with much lower inflammatory quality than the afucosylated ones — to respond to a vast majority of infectious pathogens

However, afucosylated responses are found in response to specific situations. Infections with enveloped viruses such as SARS-CoV-2, dengue virus, and HIV can be associated with afucosylated IgG production against viral antigens

Afucosylated IgG responses are also seen in reaction to foreign antigens on blood cells such as platelets. PMID: 24243971

In the case of COVID, multiple prominent studies have demonstrated the detection of afucosylated IgGs against the spike protein in severe COVID. PMID: 33361116, 33979301

These studies have also shown that not only afucosylated anti-spike IgGs are present in severe COVID, but also … their presence is an early predictor and a direct driver of progression to severe COVID.

In two prospective cohorts of outpatients with early COVID who underwent blood draws ... the detection of these afucosylated IgGs against the spike protein was shown to determine the fate of these individuals later on.

Those with an early production of afucosylated anti-spike IgG detected on, for instance day 5 of illness as outpatient, reliably progressed to severe COVID on subsequent days, whereas … On the other hand, the patients ...

... who only formed normally fucosylated IgGs against the spike protein experienced only a mild course and recovered

The timing of antibody formation mattered too. In those who progressed to severe disease, the afucosylated (and non-neutralizing) IgGs were formed prior to the normally fucosylated (and neutralizing) IgGs against the spike protein.

Something … somehow … pushed these unfortunate individuals to form a non-neutralizing and pathogenic afucosylated response against the spike protein … And these pathogenic antibodies were formed much earlier than the neutralizing ones that clear the virus.

Mechanistically, these studies also clearly show how the formation of these afucosylated anti-spike IgGs are key drivers of the immune-mediated pathology in severe COVID …

Recall that lack of fucose in the anti-spike IgGs triggers an intense activation of monocytes, macrophages, NK and dendritic cells — all targeted any and all tissue harboring the spike protein

In other words, these afucosylated IgGs order our own immune system to most ferociously attack and eliminate any trace of spike protein in the body.

The only problem becomes that … the spike protein is broadly expressed on the cell surface of many infected human tissues during COVID. And our own body becomes the collateral damage to our immune system’s reaction by way of these afucosylated IgGs

This is why in severe COVID, most successful therapeutics are immune-modulators such as steroids, JAK/STAT inhibitors, anti-TNFs, etc.

These afucosylated responses are *not* unique to severe COVID. We’ve seen them before. They also drive severe dengue. PMID: 31765380, 34083490

Dengue virus also happens to another enveloped RNA virus like SARS-CoV-2, that also infects bone marrow megakaryocytes like SARS-CoV-2.

In addition to these, afucosylated responses are also seen in HIV, but this time, they act in a beneficial fashion by conferring improved viral suppression. HIV is yet another enveloped virus that not only infects MKs, but also ...

... uses MK infection as a reservoir to cause persistence despite patients taking highly-active antiretroviral therapy. PMID: 32188724

We thought there may be a pattern here, perhaps. And naturally, this is where shaping of our hypothesis began. Is there a relationship between enveloped viruses infecting MKs, and this infection causing afucosylated responses toward antigens of these enveloped viruses?

What do we know about the contexts and antigens that are associated with afucosylated responses? Owing to a comprehensive study by Larsen et al. (PMID 33361116), we know that ...

Afucosylated responses can occur in response to a limited set of stimuli including … (1) Enveloped virus antigens (2) Alloantigens on surface of platelets (3) Alloantigens on surface of RBCs

In contrast (bottom row): (1) Soluble proteins (2) Bacterials antigens, and (3) Non-enveloped virus antigens are not known to cause afucosylated responses — and instead form the typical fucosylated IgGs only.

To dig deeper … In the case of enveloped viruses, not all viral proteins are known to trigger afucosylated responses. Larsen et al. have demonstrated that the location of the viral protein matters. Surface expression is the differentiator.

Surface proteins of enveloped viruses can cause afucosylated responses. An example of a surface protein would be the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2. In contrast, viral proteins without any surface expression do not induce afucosylated responses.

Larsen et al. showed in the case of severe COVID patients, afucosylated IgGs are only detectable against the spike protein (has surface expression) … Whereas very little to no afucosylated IgGs are formed against the nucleocapsid protein (no surface expression).

We also know that afucosylated responses are seen in response to foreign antigens expressed on the surface of platelets. This is best illustrated in the case of a fetal platelet disorder called FNAIT. PMID: 24243971

Further refining our hypothesis based on these lines of evidence … We began to wonder whether ... SARS-CoV-2 can infect platelets and pathogenically embed its spike protein on the surface of platelets ➡️leading to an afucosylated response and the associated immunopathology.

But we hit a roadblock there. Several prominent studies clearly show that platelets are infected by SARS-CoV-2 during COVID. None, however, were able to visualize evidence of spike protein expression on the surface of platelets.

I even pursued personal communication with the authors of these studies over the last 2 years, who confirmed that …

... although the spike protein was found in the cytoplasm of infected platelets, and such finding was highly predictive of severe disease progression, no evidence of spike protein expression was found on the surface of platelet membrane

So, our attention switched to platelet progenitors, megakaryocytes, to explore our suspicion about the spike protein expression on the surface of these cells.

Multiple human studies thus far have established that SARS-CoV-2 infects MKs in the bone marrow (all in postmortem samples of bone marrow)

wo studies in particular demonstrated that not only SARS-CoV-2 infects MKs, but also … The viral infection of bone marrow MKs — similar to the case of afucosylated anti-spike IgGs — was an early predictor of progression to severe COVID. PMID: 36920790, 35708858

Strikingly, virus-infected MKs were shown to transfer viral antigens including the spike protein (red) to emerging platelets during differentiation to proplatelets and platelets (Fortmann et al.)

What was not explored in this study was whether the spike protein is specifically expressed on the surface of resultant platelet progenitors emerging from the virus-infected MKs.

Such finding — similar to platelet alloantigens encountered in FNAIT — would provide a plausible pathway by which afucosylated IgGs form against the spike protein.

Moreover, thus far no group has explored the possibility of whether virus-infected bone marrow MKs may be the key trigger for the production of the pathogenic afucosylated IgGs against the spike protein.

These two questions formed the basis of our study. The schematic below summarizes the four parts of our hypothesis.

Based on the described hypotheses, experiment was designed as depicted in this diagram

After obtaining IRB and approval from ethics committee, human bone marrow megakaryocytes were isolated from hospitalized subjects who were in the early days of experiencing severe COVID.

Subsequently, human bone marrow MKs were isolated from the bone marrow aspirate. PCR confirmed the infection of bone marrow MKs by SARS-CoV-2 in these living donors in early stage of severe COVID

Next … Virus-infected MKs were grown and allowed to differentiate under favorable conditions and assessed for evidence of spike protein expression on the surface of resultant platelet progenitors.

Proplatelets emerging from the virus-infected MKs were labeled to identify their periphery (α-tubulin, green) and to identify any evidence of spike protein (red). Indeed, we found the spike protein expressed on the surface of virus-infected proplatelets!

We then pursued our second question. Virus-infected human bone marrow MKs were injected intravenously to transgenic mice harboring human ACE2 to see whether it triggers the formation of fucosylated IgGs against the spike protein.

First: We found that injection of virus-infected human MKs into transgenic mice significantly promoted the formation afucosylated IgG antibodies against the spike protein To our knowledge, this is the 1st instance of afucosylated IgGs detection against a viral antigen in vivo.

Second: The mortality rate in the infected mice was proportional to the level of afucosylated anti-spike IgG produced.

This finding suggests that the afucosylated anti-spike IgG antibodies were pathogenic and contributed significantly to the severity of COVID-19 in mice - as is the case in humans.

Third: The plasma levels of PF4 and serotonin, as soluble markers of platelet activation and/or granule release, were significantly higher in the infected mice compared with the uninfected mice.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly: Injection of virus-infected MKs into the circulation of these mice (without inhalation of the virus) mimicked the lung pathology seen in human cases of severe COVID:

Inflammatory cell infiltrate in the lung, followed by clot formation in the pulmonary vascular lumen, and distortion of the lung tissue.

In summary, to the best of our knowledge, this is the first study that demonstrates direct evidence that bone marrow megakaryocytes are infected early on by SARS-CoV-2 in those experiencing severe COVID.

Additionally, to the best of our knowledge, this is the first study that demonstrates proplatelets express SARS-CoV-2 spike protein on the surface of their membranes during differentiation from virus-infected human MKs. This surface expression of spike protein matters …

... as it likely explains the context within which our immune system decides to switch gears and form highly inflammatory afucosylated antibodies against the spike protein.

In millions infected by this virus, the immune response follows a predictable pattern. Virus infects the respiratory tract. Immune system reacts in a typical fashion, and forms neutralizing fucosylated antibodies against the spike protein. Virus clears. Acute disease resolves

In a subset who progress to severe COVID, the antibody response is atypical — and actually causes disease progression. Our proposed mechanism is that in these instances, the virus likely breaches the respiratory tract, reaches the bloodstream, and infects the bone marrow MKs.

As the virus infects MKs, and expresses the spike protein on the surface of emerging proplatelets, the immune system senses a much more 🔥dangerous situation. Body’s own circulating blood cells are now infected — beyond the respiratory tract, beyond the oropharynx

The infection of circulating blood cells is likely a highly alarming 🚨context to the immune system. To combat viral spread now aided by far-reaching infected platelets, a most potent inflammatory reaction is called into action by creating afucosylated IgGs against spike protein

This leads to an intense FcyRIlla-mediated activation of monocytes, macrophages, NK and dendritic cells systemically, attacking every tissue harboring spike protein. That is, unfortunately, a large part of body's tissues, including the vasculature, lung, neural tissue, etc.

... causing widespread immuno-thrombosis, and immune-mediated injury to vasculature, lungs, blood-brain barrier, nervous system, and other tissues in the body.

In summary, we provide preliminary evidence that SARS-CoV-2 infects human bone marrow megakaryocytes, and this infection of megakaryocytes is directly responsible for triggering the immune-mediated pathology of severe COVID

We acknowledge that this is a preprint, and has not been peer-reviewed. We also acknowledge that we have a significant amount of future work left to be done to better characterize the preliminary findings described in this work.

If your group has expertise in glycobiology, please consider reaching out to us as we are open to collaboration to decipher the detailed mechanisms of the findings in this work.

We appreciate your patience in reading through this long thread. And we encourage you to read our preprint below for further details.

Lastly, we would like to thank the entire team of Dr. Younes Zaid @ZaidYounes9, and acknowledge the generous funding by Balvi and @VitalikButerin to allow us to continue our work."

https://nitter.net/farid__jalali/status/1683707701866692608

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.07.14.549113v2

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

Insanite posted:

e: we didn’t get covid during the delivery of kid 2. this is in spite of half of the personnel around us having coughs. Ty, 10 ACH labor and delivery room air, I guess.

Great news!

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

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If people infected with SARS-CoV-2 and in #LongCovid were to be given all the clinical exams needed, healthcare would collapse instantly. Hence, the "vague syndromes". The lucky and the wealthy will be looked after. The most will be told there's nothing to do.

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So you're told your pulse oximeter is "broken" and you can't be hypoxic in #LongCovid. You're not tested. You're not supported. And you're left with no oxygen with your oxygen saturation levels dropping to brain damage levels

https://nitter.net/elisaperego78/status/1693321452609511585

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Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin

Phigs posted:

Some other people just don't like the bad vibes.

Basic as FAFO, and that's what people don't like to hear.

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