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trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

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also this happened

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trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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for some delusional/uninformed thoughts on the upcoming season:

- It's tempting to make Napoli a question mark due to the loss of Spalletti and Kim, but they kept everyone else and are adding some strong pieces, I still think of them as the favorites. It did seem like opposing coaches solved the Kvara puzzle towards the end of last season, maybe he was just burned out, will be interesting to see if he is back to his best right away. Osimhen is just an absolute monster, and ADL should be in prison for the dodgy transfer to bring him in, imo.
- Lazio were slow to get there mercato going but seem to be making some good moves late in the window. Losing SMS is massive but I think they're reloading with players well suited to Sarri. Might not be deep enough to handle the CL and the league though.
- Inter will probably do about the same as they did this year, losing Brozo is huge but they've got good midfield depth, I think the biggest question is whether Thuram/Arnautovic can replace Dzeko and Lukaku, and well...
- Milan's moneyball approach has brought in some interesting purchases for sure, but I think that mass overhaul of the squad will make it tough for them to compete for the scudetto this year, feels a bit more like a reloading year. Losing Tonali and being without Bennacer for half the season is tough to absorb.
- Atalanta are quietly overhauling their entire attack. They've generally gotten their recruitment correct so it'll be interesting to see whether Gasperini can make something out of Scamacca/Toure/CDK in short order. They added strength to their back line but I think their midfield is getting a bit stale, but Koopmeiners may actually be a star in the making
- Roma overhauled their midfield with rejects from Lyon and PSG but otherwise seem pretty stale. I think their season hinges on the availability of Dybala's hamstrings/back/ankles/etc. They've got no transfer budget and that'll hold them back.
- Juve are probably going to be roughly the same as last year. I think they got some mild upgrades at both wingback positions and I expect better production from Chiesa but the same basic flaws exist in midfield and in attack. Pogba's still dead. They're promoting u19 players instead of purchasing first team squad members. Alex Sandro will still play a lot and suck rear end and I worry that the milage piled on Danilo is catching up to him. I expect them to hover between 3rd and 6th all year. Maybe another scandal will dock them another 10 to 15 points.
- Fiorentina are a lot like Atalanta in that they've overhauled their front line drastically. Parisi was a great signing at left back. I don't have a lot of faith in Arthur but Italiano is as good of a candidate to reboot Arthur's career as anyone if he can actually stay healthy. If they lose Amrabat and/or Nico G late in the window and don't get solid replacements that'll ding their ambitions.
- Bologna will probably be pretty good again this year. A lot will hinge on Zirkzee replicating Arnautovic's production, I rate Zirkzee's ability a lot and think he's a sleeper breakout candidate. Only notable loss so far was Schoeten, but I think Ferguson and Dominguez are both quite good, Ferguson also could make the leap up this year too I think
- Torino might be able to jump up to the Bologna/Fiorentina Europa League/Conference race tier if they can somehow get a striker upgrade before the end of the window. There's a lot of quality in this side with Ilic/Ricci/Bellanova/Temeze/Vlasic/Schuurs/Buongiorno, but their strikers still look not up to the task.
- Monza built a lot of their success on loaned in players last year and not all of them are back. I suspect they'll be relatively comfortable mid table, but they've lost a lot of quality so probably will fall back in the pack somewhat. Probably a good chance they'll get some young talents from big clubs in on loan before the end of the month. Palladino seems a bright coaching talent though so this should be a good test for him. He'll really have to motivate them without the buses full of prostitutes this year.
- Udinese are just gonna be Udinese. Tons of quality players are out the door (or in the case of Samarzic will be out the door soon), and they'll just reload and finish 12th. It's what they do.
- Sassuolo have also had a ton of squad turnover, par for the course for them, but it'll be a good test to see if Dionisi is actually ready to take a step up to a bigger club soon. Lauriente could build on his bright performances last year and break out, and Bajrami was an interesting pickup, but they need more from Pinamonti. If somehow Berardi does finally join Juve that'll be a massive blow (don't worry he'll never join Juve).
- Empoli seem a great risk to go down this year, imo. Vicario, Parisi and Bajrami were incredibly important players and are gone, and they seem to mostly be relying on loaned in players from Milan, Napoli and Juve to save them this year.
- Salernitana did well to hang on to Sousa as manager and to Dia as their striker. I don't think they're probable relegation candidates, especially if they do snag some talented youngsters from big clubs on loan as rumored.
- Lecce lost major components of last year's squad with Hjulmand sold to Sporting and Umtiti not coming back after his loan. I don't recognize most of their incoming players but their sporting director is considered a master at identifying undervalued players across the continent, so we'll see
- Hellas. gently caress you Hellas. Just go down already. I think they will this year, they haven't brought in anyone good and that squad looks like rear end.
- Genoa seem like good value to stay up. Retegui seems legit at this level, they're getting proven players in the league with Messias and Malinvskyi joining, and they have some legit talent in their back line.
- Cagliari's squad looks pretty sad to me. I think Ranieri is more likely to be sacked than to lead them to safety.
- Frosinone look pretty doomed to me too. They sold one of their top players to Sassuolo for €10m and only brought in bottom of the table journeymen and young nobodies, not to mention the fact that they parted ways with their manager over the summer too.


Official Predictions ™️

1. Napoli
2. Lazio
3. Inter
4. Juve
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5. Milan
6. Atalanta
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7. Fiorentina
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8. Roma (and Mou leaving, maybe not during the season but definitely by end of season)
9. Bologna
10. Torino
11. Salernitana
12. Udinese
13. Sassuolo
14. Genoa
15. Monza
16. Lecce
17. Empoli
18. Hellas
19. Cagliari
20. Frosinone

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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Gigi Galli posted:

Juventus’s biggest advantage is not playing in anything other than the league The coppa Italia can be brushed off for the most part. This actually makes Allegri’s stupid non rotational oppressive style very effective. The players may not be up to the task with pure talent but everyone around Juve will be more tired and under more pressure.
Yeah the conditions are there for Max to jihadiball his way to the top, especially if they can get like 2/3rds worth of Fiorentina-version Vlahovic and maybe like 10 good games out of Pogba. The shitshow way that the league handled their points deductions last year also took some wind out of their sails, and there seems to be general squad enthusiasm to be past that fiasco.

quote:

Re: Napoli I’m nit sure if Garcia is going to be up to the task of defending a title; if he thought managing Roma was hard wait til he has to deal with De Laurentiis mid season.
I think he just needs to do what Allegri did when he came into Juve after Conte and put the team on cruise control. Maybe that's too tall of a task for him, but they still are insanely strong. AFCON is looming too though I suppose.

quote:

How long is Abraham out for anyway?
It sounds like he's basically going to miss the whole season, last I saw he was projected for a return in April


quote:

I last season I put Kvara’s drop in form to them having the title wrapped up relatively early. I think it’s a question of motivation with him; I do hope he gets back to that level because it’s great entertainment.
Yeah that very well could be it, but it was still about the last full third of the year that he was well contained. Will be an interesting storyline to follow I think, but that said he'll probably have 3 assists Saturday.

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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Simone Poodoin posted:

juve good now?

we got our 45 minutes of joy for the season out of the way, time for some corto muso

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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Mkhitaryan on a free has gotta be one of the better transfers in the league over the past couple years

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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Empoli are insanely bad. I don't even think that firing Zanetti would help, they just have an awful squad.

Frosinone, however, are very good. They really impressed me against Sassuolo today, and that match is probably the most entertaining one I've watched so far this year. Di Francesco really seems to have everyone bought into his system.

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

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Doctor Teeth posted:

so uh... somebody in napoli's social media team is getting mega fired, huh?

Or promoted

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

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Gigi Galli posted:

It's a shame Roma won today but it was probably inevitable.

I also think Allegri and Mourinho are bringing teams down to their level extra bad this season; the Atalanta - Juve match was abysmal.

I think the global embarrassment caused by the Sassuolo match has caused Juve to Allegri harder than they've ever Allegri'd before. Today's performance was probably the worst of the Allegri 2.0 era, and the midweek victory over Lecce wasn't much better.

Hell even Szczesny said to reporters after the match today that the team realized early in the 2nd half that they should stop playing and just ensure that they get a point. The players are fully indoctrinated to the Max mindset.

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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https://twitter.com/collinabanter/status/1710759977759998117

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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Sandwolf posted:

God I absolutely love when poo poo like this happens. Never would have guessed Giroud is the guy they taught some goalkeeping to. (This is a thing right? Every team basically picks 1-2 outfield players to just know the basics of goalkeeping just in case of this ish?)

Both sides seemed to just pick their biggest lad, Dragusin went into goal for Genoa

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

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https://twitter.com/jakub_balicki1/status/1710783926610829450

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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triple sulk posted:

gently caress off juve. corrupt league +6 minute bullshit

wtf are you on about, in the 2nd half during normal time there was a VAR check that included the ref going to the monitor for Kean's header, at least one other time where the ref held up play for VAR to look at a possible hand ball, multiple times where there were Hellas players lying on the ground so Juve kicked the ball out to touch, and 5 different sets of substitutions

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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well I guess you can feel free to complain about Juve getting away with it, Gatti didn't get punished for this

https://twitter.com/Carloalvino/status/1718363029996278124

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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Pioli completely threw away 2 points here, what a disastrous managerial performance

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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Ulio posted:

I do think they deserved to win vs both Juve and Udinese

I personally don't think that they did. You might be able to argue that they deserved a draw in either of those matches but they did nothing to deserve a win imo.

Milan justifiably played with 10 men vs. Juve as a direct result of Pioli's insistence on playing a high line that leaves the CBs isolated in one-on-one defending situations. There's no cover, and it continually leads to suicidal defending choices for the CBs, and Maignan has to continually do heroic sweeper keeper poo poo (which has also led to him being sent off). Sure, it's a part of the Pioli system makes the attack fun to watch when it's clicking but it's also the reason why Inter continue to humiliate Milan in every league derby.

And the Udinese match was essentially the textbook definition of meaningless possession. Pioli's choice to play with 2 strikers didn't work at all, the forwards besides Leao were completely uninvolved, most of the times Silvestri was called on to make a save it was from shots by the Milan midfield and fullbacks from outside the penalty area. "Leao dribbles the entire team and inshallah" seemed to be the only strategy to get Giroud involved, and I literally have no idea what Jovic and Okafor did yesterday, you wouldn't even really know they were playing.

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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:stare:

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

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https://twitter.com/chiccochiesa_/status/1721300723747500499

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
Fun Shoe
Inter's 2nd string squad would qualify for the Europa League

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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can't decide whether

1) Juve's place in the table is a glaring indictment of the overall poo poo quality of this league

or

2) Max Allegri is a calcio genius

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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Tudor has been meeting with ADL tonight, seems like Garcia is gone

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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https://twitter.com/ItalianoCalcio/status/1723801132244369874

assuming that gets taken down: https://streamin.one/v/abcaeab7

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBvlULW_Y8s

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
Fun Shoe
this should be time stamped to Pulisic's goal, which was superb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy2ZOjB0Hp4&t=90s

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

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triple sulk posted:

Love to watch Fiorentina maintain most of the possession and do absolutely nothing with it every week

That's the Vinny Italian guarantee ™️

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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Yeah, I like how Bologna are tough defensively without being boring and just sitting back. They're always trying to win the ball and then are very direct in attack once they get it. Their recruiting has been good too, Ferguson for €2m and Zirkzee for €8m were remarkably good deals, and they've gotten so much from the players they have in on loan the last 2 years.

They hired Sartori away from Atalanta to be their technical director last year and it seems like they're building a solid project, although I suppose it could all crumble quickly when Motta goes and they inevitably sell part of the current core.

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
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I just made the Gary Neville "Fernando Torres vs Barca" noise when Ndoye scored

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxG7R1ML7J8

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

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Doctor Teeth posted:

ruan worst defender in serie a?

He’s probably the consensus choice.

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

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McKennie was balling yesterday

https://twitter.com/SerieA_EN/status/1745762549201600699

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

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"meaningless possession" is right, imo. They weren't just lumping up long balls to Lukaku, but they also weren't able to get Lukaku involved at all, so they might've just been better off playing route one.

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

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paddyboat posted:

If you had told me Lukaku wasn’t playing I’d have believed you. Apart from the beginning of the first half, it was mostly Paredes(?) hucking shots from outside the box.

well in Lukaku's partial defense, Roma got their penalty because of him*

*(his attempt to lay off a pass for Pellegrini was so badly overhit that it caused Pellegrini to have to run into the penalty area where Calabria fouled him)

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trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

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Dilkington posted:

The club has not had a bastard in charge since...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=shared&v=ZDf2Zl6TR48

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