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hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Jay Derkin posted:

The X I was referring to would be the state of Floridas ban on teaching about sex to kids below third grade in a school setting. That sounds reasonable to me and I got some major backlash on that one.

what does that have to do with being "too inclusive"?

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hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

everybody shut up I wanna find out who's being "toxically included"

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Jay Derkin posted:

The amount of rage and ripping my posts out of context is rather entertaining.

you. poster. who's being included in a toxic way?

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

hailthefish posted:

you. poster. who's being included in a toxic way?

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

gay jerkin posted:

the only inclusion im interested in is including this boys onlyfans in my late night web browsing ;)



shush stop giving him excuses to avoid answering the question

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010


Jay Derkin posted:

The question being?






hailthefish posted:

you. poster. who's being included in a toxic way?


hailthefish posted:

everybody shut up I wanna find out who's being "toxically included"


hailthefish posted:

what does that have to do with being "too inclusive"?

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Jay Derkin posted:

Ah, the "what does this have to do with being too inclusive", that's precisely what I'm getting at. To be called a bigot over my view of the FL poo poo is something that makes no sense to me, that does not mean I hate anyone, or even hold negative views of anyone. I've been told that my view on that topic is harmful to LGBTQ people and pushes them out of the equation. I fail to see how that is in any way harmful to their community or even affects it. Like at all. If that is what people view as "inclusion" then it is very much outside of what I've ever considered the word to mean.

but that's nothing to do with inclusion. someone asked how people feel about the CCP survey and the topics of "inclusion" and "making this game not suck for women" and then you said "modern inclusion is toxic and has gone too far" and when pressed about it the only response you seem to have is "people shouldn't call me a dumbass because I don't think kids should have age appropriate sex ed before the actual onset of puberty, that's toxic inclusion" which has nothing to do with anything

so who's too included? how is inclusion toxic? what does that have to do with CCP trying to make miserable space game eve online less manifestly awful for the ladies? surely you have some opinion that connects these two ideas otherwise you wouldn't have brought it up.

hailthefish fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Aug 31, 2023

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Solus posted:

Jay "D-name poster" Derkin

it's amazing

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Jay Derkin posted:

I guess I largely just fail to see why that has any place in a pre 3rd grade classroom to begin with? You're laying the foundation of a good education, why does the teacher need to be giving their views on sexuality at all? I don't think a teacher should be talking about their personal life with their students, doesn't matter if they're gay or straight. My teachers never once did that and it didn't negatively affect my education.

I do very much have an issue with selective enforcement, and if that is the case then the people doing said selective enforcement should face consequences.

but that's still absolutely nothing to do with why your response to someone asking about CCP's inclusion/not scaring off the ladies survey was "modern inclusion is toxic and has gone too far"

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Jay Derkin posted:

I guess I largely just fail to see why that has any place in a pre 3rd grade classroom to begin with? You're laying the foundation of a good education, why does the teacher need to be giving their views on sexuality at all? I don't think a teacher should be talking about their personal life with their students, doesn't matter if they're gay or straight. My teachers never once did that and it didn't negatively affect my education.

I do very much have an issue with selective enforcement, and if that is the case then the people doing said selective enforcement should face consequences.

surely the foundation of a good education also involves socialization and understanding of the world in general, no? how old do you think kids should have to be before they find out that gay people exist? that some of their classmates might have two moms or two dads and that's okay? or do you just think it's actually not okay?

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Jay Derkin posted:

You've missed my point like 5 times. The point is that "modern inclusion" seems to bring in topics that are well outside of what I would consider inclusion to be. I don't think both gay and straight people being told to not talk about their sexuality to children in a school setting is preventing anyone from being included in society. There's a time and a place for everything, the classroom at that grade level, in my opinion, is not it.

what does that have to do with icelandic video game developer crowd control productions and their spaceship mmo eve online? surely the two must be related somehow, you're the one who brought it up.

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Jay Derkin posted:

Yes, because I've been told that my view on that is somehow related to the modern definition of inclusion, which I think has been stretched out to encompass things far beyond what I would consider to be inclusion. Thus my statement on what I think to be "actual inclusion" as opposed to "modern inclusion".

so you think nobody in eve should be allowed to say they're gay because it's bad for kids? or what, help me out here.

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

There was a wider-commiunity ladies only eve teamspeak and in game chat for a while several years back but unfortunately that was the only way in which eve has been ahead of the rest of society, in that the whole thing had a preoccupation with trying to clock any trans ladies (or insufficiently feminine cis ladies) who dared enter the Sacred Single Sex Space

But yeah, there's not much ccp can really do because most of the terrible poo poo happens places other than in ccp controlled channels.

And they don't give a gently caress about the things that do occur in ccp controlled channels so lol.

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Anyway remember the time mittens was remonstrating with people being lovely to women in cfc comms and concluded the whole spiel with (paraphrasing but not by much) "we need women to play in our coalition so we can use their feminine wiles as weapons against the sexless nerds who are our enemies"

lmao

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

eyeroll gimbal lock

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

yeah mintchip was kind of a lovely person in my v limited interactions with her, and also didn't deserve the horrendous treatment she got. turns out two things can simultaneously be bad without automatically being equivalent OR making one of them good

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

imperiusdamian posted:

I was hoping to try PLEXing my account from playing as an alpha clone.

Sadly it seems I'm too lazy and/or spend too much time at work, to do so.

yeah don't try this it sucks so bad.

Even if you're making literally US federal minimum wage you can pay for an account with less than a day of work, and if you're making anything remotely resembling a living wage it's like, an hour or less. And then you can actually do things in eve that are.. well okay 'fun' might be overegging it but 'not soul-crushingly miserable'.

eventually, with a well-developed character, you can make enough to make plexing your account with isk more worthwhile, but trying to do it before that point requires devoting your every waking moment to having the most miserable time you can have in eve online, and all for the privilege of doing it again the next month

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Dalmuti posted:

on the other hand, plz do not pay money to crowd control productions under any circumstances

on the third mutant hand, credit card tanked titans are never not funny

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Kazinsal posted:

I keep thinking I should hand fnln half my net worth and get a weekly stipend from it

A lot of people thought that

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Doctor Yiff posted:

sometimes you just wanna drive a space truck

space truckin is fun. sometimes it's even exciting!

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

twigplant posted:

i'm actually not sure bc i didn't see the initial SLOW leak. there's lots of stuff in this one about telling trans people to offline themselves in various ways, lots of discussion about how drag queens and gays are pedos, a few mentions of final solutioning gays, a hilarious amount of lionizing tucker carlson lol.

that sounds like a bigger version of the initial sl0w leak, yeah

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

ragnarokette posted:

Bingus containment device

Baylor College of Dentistry

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Blessedly reddit seems to have moved on to the next shiny thing

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

grumplestiltzkin posted:

Local is always primary when geese are around :honk:

I like giving blues a friendly honk as I fly past, sometimes they even honk back :3:

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Toalpaz posted:

Listen, I can pull 70-110 mln an hour in low-sec. Think I can do better in null? Having fun isn't important to me.

well you've come to the right place

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

if you're a tedious unfunny karmafleet-grade poster, however, you may soon find yourself asked to :fiacre:

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Zoya posted:

folks who have been playing this game for 20 years and know everything

it's okay i've been playing this game for 13 years and don't know anything :shobon:


(okay that's a lie I've been winning eve for most of it but still)

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

PhilippAchtel posted:

With all the memes about "FC, can I get a pap" I'd have thought the requirements were higher than that.

What self respecting goon can go more than two months without :justpost:?

different member corps and alliances can have much more stringent activity requirements, most of the people going "fc pap? pap plz? was there a pap? fc when pap? are we getting two paps?" are typically not in GEWNS, at least that was my experience

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Cast_No_Shadow posted:

The idea of pap is weird

Why are you recruiting people that don't wanna do the thing?

there's plenty of people who want to live in the space and under the shield of a big bloc but don't actually want to do strat ops, and big bloc strat ops frequently suck rear end so it's hard to blame them too awful much but

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Mr. Grinch posted:

lol r/EVE is still a thing? I thought TEST imploded or something

In a hilarious twist of fate, r/eve is now a stronghold for the worst posters in the imperium, which is now a primarily reddit-based bloc with SNOO forming a large chunk of membership

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Cast_No_Shadow posted:

Sorry I meant in isk costs from like 500m to 2.5bn

I have a vague memory or it being like 2-300m.

Everyone want 2023 income numbers but still want to pay ship prices from when 20m/h raven belt ratting was the peak of pve

yeah in ~2010 it was ~300m in isk to plex an account, now 300m won't even buy you a single 'new' plex (1/500th of an old plex)

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

time zone tanking is one of the things that contributes to the agglomeration into blocs but there isn't really a solution that doesn't involve "completely eliminate the concept of attackable structures", everything else is just trying to find a compromise that mitigates the worst aspects

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

I used to be scared of holes but living in the nest for a while cured me of my holephobia

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Potato Salad posted:

is the doctrinal response against rokhfleet no longer to refit 800 mm autocannons and a scrambler

apparently it's now "shoot into their resist profiles from the drippy tip of your falloff range" lmao

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

they put extra ccpoop on it but still, happy day

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

walruscat posted:

Is there a modern EVEMON replacement that uses the ESI logins?

evemon uses the esi logins now.

it's kind of crappy and busted, but that's just the entire esi everything tbf

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Cast_No_Shadow posted:

Shoot blues tell vile rat

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

dragonshardz posted:

i paid :10bux: to be able to post about poo poo MiniTru was doing and the Casino War, while a dirty MRCHI. Rejoined into Goonwaffe after a post-war break led to getting purged, then exited to Gooseflock, and then EVE entirely.

Now i get to throw peanuts and talk endless poo poo; time has come full circle.

hell yeah dirty mrchi crew

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hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

im gayer 4 jayer than ever before

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