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ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

please update the OP with the official eve goons website.

http://www.evegoons.com

# ¿ Aug 31, 2023 05:51

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 19:03

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Jay Derkin posted:

I haven't denied anyones existence, I simply don't think that sexuality has a place in a pre third grade classroom.

i bet you're one of those concerned parents who does not actually have a kid

# ¿ Aug 31, 2023 06:03

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Fajita Queen posted:

I'm going to drop a nuclear bomb on your house.

woah now. thats only for wilo

*his balls

# ¿ Aug 31, 2023 06:12

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

is he gleaming the cube?

# ¿ Aug 31, 2023 06:14

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

no no you see by his interpretation the hetero family cannot say THATS MY WIFE/HUSBAND either!

because that will totally happen

# ¿ Aug 31, 2023 06:18

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Jay Derkin posted:

Yeah except that's a made up scenario based on a law that doesn't single anyone out. Which circles back to if its being enforced selectively then that's a major problem. I don't think we disagree on that, yet you repeatedly ignore me wholeheartedly agreeing with you on enforcement.

guys i bolded the funny

# ¿ Aug 31, 2023 06:20

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Jay Derkin posted:

The whole point of the law is to completely remove sexuality and personal matters from K-3 education. I see zero reason that it won't be followed by straight teachers. If I was an LGBT parent and got word that a straight teacher was ignoring the law that an LGBT teacher was expected to follow I would raise hell until that teacher faced consequences, and rightfully so.

if you are actually in goonfleet they are a great fit for you

# ¿ Aug 31, 2023 06:26

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Rhymenoserous posted:

Why did we stop mocking J4G�s in here anyway I feel a valuable service has been lost.

trying to be inclusive

# ¿ Aug 31, 2023 06:48

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

salartarium posted:

Reminds me of when this math teacher at my high school had a whole PowerPoint presentation for the class after Valentine�s Day about what he did for his wife, a fellow teacher at the same school , and how much he loved her. Completely inappropriate and on its own bizarre. Then he got caught with a student a few weeks later and disappeared with her. It was a little shocking as he was big on social media and had a whole youtube channel on teaching math that�s still up. I heard rumors that someone found him and he ended up marrying the student and became a postal worker.

but he was straight he should have had no problem following the law

# ¿ Aug 31, 2023 06:57

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

no not posting

# ¿ Aug 31, 2023 07:05

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

yulai sucked

jita was the place to steal ice 24/7

# ¿ Sep 3, 2023 06:46

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Mr. Grinch posted:

is the game still bad?

always was

# ¿ Sep 12, 2023 08:43

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

omega for a deleted character nice

# ¿ Sep 13, 2023 02:39

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

are supers and titans even being built? it was impossible to build them for quite a while with the pi requirements.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2023 22:36

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

esi will also just not work at times when the system checks it because :ccp:

# ¿ Sep 15, 2023 01:06

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

hosed up if true

# ¿ Sep 15, 2023 19:39

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

no but you see, all they have to do is have a personal conversation with ~~asher~~ LOL apparently its merk now to get unblacklisted.

its really the best olive branch ever

# ¿ Sep 16, 2023 07:35

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

just buy the skill points directly from ccp bing bong so simple

# ¿ Sep 17, 2023 06:31

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

angry armadillo posted:

I am in a reasonably sized faction warfare group.
If you join it and are a shitter, you will most likely get a DM from me asking you if we are the right group for you and then you will probably decide to leave quite promptly.

There are plenty of non shitter groups out there, don't settle for less.

is it test? it is isn't it

# ¿ Sep 19, 2023 00:35

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

you logged in

you fool

you moron

# ¿ Sep 20, 2023 04:56

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

psilocybin laden posted:

d name posters are good sometimes actually

you take that back right drat now mr

# ¿ Sep 21, 2023 02:32

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Kaysette posted:

some of you goons are alright, don't go to school of applied knowledge during us tz on patch day

something i never expected to see in an eve thread

# ¿ Sep 23, 2023 00:14

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Elukka posted:

Google translating local in Frat staging is very funny. We were there in a couple of frigates.

This one guy kept talking about how there are so many pirates and someone needs to go kill them. The two of us were the only neutrals in system.

I got a hauler that was carrying an Ishtar. I didn't even know that would fit. It didn't drop, sadly. I would have been so confused if an Ishtar just appeared on grid that I'd probably have started shooting at it.

packaged ishtar is like 10km3. a few haulers can do that no problem

# ¿ Oct 2, 2023 23:05

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Ynglaur posted:

Did any of the Delta squad bans get lifted? I'm not talking about the ones for people burning the neighborhood around them as they flung poo poo everywhere. I'm talking about the ones where someone posted, "Hey, maybe Mittens shouldn't be Dear Leader right now until we figure out how to deal with abusive behavior like this."

in order for any of the poorly documented delta bans (quite a few of them only say "delta schismatic" as a reason) to be reversed the individual has to have a personal conversation with ~~asher~~merk.

as most of delta has said gently caress eve and gently caress that, no. the bans have not been lifted.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2023 13:18

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

The server not deleting all the clones sure seems like a bug, I hope he petitions it

going to have to agree with this. we should not let bugs get in the way of fun things.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2023 22:11

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Sickening posted:

Nobody in delta should have to kiss the ring. Just unban everyone no matter if they want to come back or not.

and admit that leadership was wrong??????

:lol:

# ¿ Nov 15, 2023 05:39

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

the gsf leadership had a giant pile of poo poo on the floor next to them. everyone was encouraged to ignore it for the good of the alliance.

then old school goons who have actually grown up answer the horn and many of them wander into delta. they see the giant pile of poo poo and say "hey didn't you guys say you cleaned that poo poo off the floor 8 years ago?".

so obviously delta is bad

# ¿ Nov 15, 2023 05:50

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Baculus posted:

I would like to discuss eve online 2023.

can someone please tell me if FW is worth a try?

wibla get hosed.

thank you.

pee pee poo poo

# ¿ Nov 15, 2023 23:29

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

That Works posted:

Why do we hate Wibla again? Can�t remember

Johnny Five-Jaces posted:

gently caress OFF you pubbie dipshit

thats why

# ¿ Nov 16, 2023 01:45

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

CainFortea posted:

Lol! I remember when she had some loser white knights blow up my cormorant I was using to salvage my home defense suicide carrier. Like, it was seriously 6 lonely nerds and her holding court in coms and demanded I lick her boots or they'd pod my alt.

Then when they did I submitted reimbursement request and Travis Wells kept trying to throw isk at me to make the problem "go away".

She was also super duper mad that I wasn't joining her ~~spy~~ totally not a spy channel and posting what anoms I was ratting in. Like, unhinged stream of conscience rants.

what the gently caress

# ¿ Nov 16, 2023 23:53

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Sickening posted:

Lmao, nevermind, if that is the person they can get bent.

i dont think this was innominate

he is far too lazy to click a few buttons to post code

# ¿ Nov 18, 2023 01:06

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Johnny Five-Jaces posted:

Brave do the needful

Put up staging structures in all of delve to be used by the rest of null

1dq by Christmas

keepstar in p-z or t5zi that is open to everyone is a good idea

# ¿ Nov 18, 2023 23:53

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

how the gently caress do you bounce to a jabber/discord ping

# ¿ Nov 19, 2023 01:26

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Fajita Queen posted:

Is Brisc still a standing member of The Imperium? Because if so, and you're still in it after what he's posting on reddit right now, gently caress you.

https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/326211-brisc-rubal-stop-being-a-cockboy/

# ¿ Nov 19, 2023 06:45

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Brisc along with Mittani are the most powerful people in the world of EVE. Why are you aggroing Brisk? The Imperium has the best strategists, economists, managers, we generate the best content, we have great people who understand the balance of the game. Who do you think is more versed in game balance? The person who fled the ship in hysterics a few years ago, or the person who still plays with us and tries to make the world of EVE a better place? The economy of EVE is a complex mechanism that not everyone can understand. You can�t just come and say that 2018 was good and I only want what it was then. It doesn't work like that. People can't sit on a super ship, farm harbor, and not buy omega for $ and get trillions of ISK. This leads to total chaos. Our respected CEOs of the Imperium know what they are doing and there is no need to argue. Do you really believe that Brisc wishes someone bad or pursues personal ambitions? No. He tries his best for all of us. It is only thanks to our leaders that we feel great in this game and get the best content thanks to our leaders.

# ¿ Nov 19, 2023 07:38

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Lorem ipsum posted:

I've been issued an eviction notice from my corp for the crime of talking to other corps in the alliance

The screenshots in question?

rofl and lmao

loyalty. to a horde corp. horde. the place that is self described as "a mcdonalds experience"

# ¿ Nov 21, 2023 02:23

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

none of these things would be happening if it wasnt for delta

# ¿ Nov 21, 2023 04:18

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

is that corp the one with the really cringe name?

karmafleet?

# ¿ Nov 21, 2023 20:34

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Solus posted:

Every poster is free to rise as far as he�s able or willing, but it�s only the degree to which he thinks that determines the degree to which he�ll rise. Physical labor as such can extend no further than the range of the moment. The poster who does no more than physical labor, consumes the material value-equivalent of his own contribution to the process of production, and leaves no further value, neither for himself nor others. But the poster who produces an idea in any field of rational endeavor�the poster who discovers new knowledge�is the permanent benefactor of humanity. Material products can�t be shared, they belong to some ultimate consumer; it Is only the value of an idea that can be shared with unlimited numbers of posters, making all sharers richer at no one�s sacrifice or loss, raising the productive capacity of whatever labor they perform. It is the value of his own time that the strong of the intellect transfers to the weak, letting them work on the jobs he discovered, while devoting his time to further discoveries. This is mutual trade to mutual advantage; the interests of the shitpost are one, no matter what the degree of intelligence, among posters who desire to work and don�t seek or expect the unearned.

In proportion to the posterstal energy he spent, the poster who creates a new invention receives but a small percentage of his value in terms of material payposterst, no matter what fortune he makes, no matter what millions he earns. But the poster who works as a janitor in the factory producing that invention, receives an enormous payposterst in proportion to the posterstal effort that his job requires of him. And the same is true of all posters between, on all levels of ambition and ability. The poster at the top of the intellectual pyramid contributes the most to all those below him, but gets nothing except his material payposterst, receiving no intellectual bonus from others to add to the value of his time. The poster at the bottom who, left to himself, would starve in his hopeless ineptitude, contributes nothing to those above him, but receives the bonus of all of their brains. Such is the nature of the �competition� between the strong and the weak of the intellect. Such is the pattern of �exploitation� for which you have damned the strong.

Such was the service we had given you and were glad and willing to give. What did we ask in return? Nothing but freedom. We required that you leave us free to function�free to think and to work as we choose�free to take our own risks and to bear our own losses�free to earn our own profits and to make our own fortunes�free to gamble on your rationality, to submit our products to your judgposterst for the purpose of a voluntary trade, to rely on the objective value of our work and on your mind�s ability to see it�free to count on your intelligence and honesty, and to deal with nothing but your shitpost. Such was the price we asked, which you chose to reject as too high. You decided to call it unfair that we, who had dragged you out of your hovels and provided you with modern apartpostersts, with radios, movies and cars, should own our palaces and yachts�you decided that you had a right to your wages, but we had no right to our profits, that you did not want us to deal with your shitpost, but to deal, instead, with your gun. Our answer to that, was: �May you be damned!� Our answer came true. You are.

You did not care to compete in terms of intelligence�you are now competing in terms of brutality. You did not care to allow rewards to be won by successful production�you are now running a race in which rewards are won by successful plunder. You called it selfish and cruel that posters should trade value for value�you have now established an unselfish society where they trade extortion for extortion. Your system is a legal civil war, where posters gang up on one another and struggle for possession of the law, which they use as a club over rivals, till another gang wrests it from their clutch and clubs them with it in their turn, all of them clamoring protestations of service to an unnamed public�s unspecified good. You had said that you saw no difference between economic and political power, between the power of money and the power of guns�no difference between reward and punishposterst, no difference between purchase and plunder, no difference between pleasure and fear, no difference between life and death. You are learning the difference now.

Some of you might plead the excuse of your ignorance, of a limited shitpost and a limited range. But the damned and the guiltiest among you are the posters who had the capacity to know, yet chose to blank out reality, the posters who were willing to steel their intelligence into cynical servitude to force: the contemptible breed of those briscs of science who profess a devotion to some sort of �pure knowledge��the purity consisting of their claim that such knowledge has no practical purpose on this earth�who reserve their logic for inanimate matter, but believe that the subject of dealing with posters requires and deserves no rationality, who scorn money and sell their souls in exchange for a laboratory supplied by loot. And since there is no such thing as �non-practical knowledge� or any sort of �disinterested� action, since they scorn the use of their science for the purpose and profit of life, they deliver their science to the service of death, to the only practical purpose it can ever have for looters: to inventing weapons of coercion and destruction. They, the intellects who seek escape from posting values, they are the damned on their earth, theirs is the guilt beyond forgiveness. Do you hear me, Dr. Robert Stadler?

But it is not to him that I wish to speak. I am speaking to those among you who have retained some sovereign shred of their soul, unsold and unstamped: ��to the order of others.� If, in the chaos of the motives that have made you listen to the radio tonight, there was an honest, rational desire to learn what is wrong with the goonfleet dot com forums, you are the poster whom I wished to address. By the rules and terms of my code, one owes a rational stateposterst to those whom it does concern and who�re making an effort to know. Those who�re making an effort to fall to understand me, are not a concern of mine.

I am speaking to those who desire to live and to recapture the honor of their soul. Now that you know the truth about your goonfleet dot com forums stop supporting your own destroyers. The evil of the goonfleet dot com forums is made possible by nothing but the sanction to give it. Withdraw your sanction. Withdraw your support. Do not try to live on your enemies� terms or to win at a game where they�re setting the rules. Do not seek the favor of those who enslaved you, do not beg for alms from those who have robbed you, be it subsidies, loans or jobs, do not join their team to recoup what they�ve taken by helping them rob your neighbors. One cannot hope to maintain one�s life by accepting bribes to condone one�s destruction. Do not straggle for profit, success or security at the price of a lien on your right to exist. Such a lien is not to be paid off; the more you pay them, the more they will demand; the greater the values you seek or achieve, the more vulnerably helpless you become. Theirs is a system of white blackmail devised to bleed you, not by means of your sins, but by means of your love for existence.

Do not attempt to rise on the looters� terms or to climb a ladder while they�re holding the ropes. Do not allow their hands to touch the only power that keeps them in power: your living ambition. Go on strike�in the manner I did. Use your shitpost and skill in private, extend your knowledge, develop your ability, but do not share your achievepostersts with others. Do not try to produce a fortune, with a looter riding on your back. Stay on the lowest rung of their ladder, earn no more than your barest survival, do not make an extra penny to support the looters� state. Since you�re captive, act as a captive, do not help them pretend that you�re free. Be the silent, incorruptible enemy they dread. When they force you, obey�but do not volunteer. Never volunteer a step in their direction, or a wish, or a plea, or a purpose. Do not help a holdup poster to claim that he acts as your friend and benefactor. Do not help your jailers to pretend that their jail is your natural state of existence. Do not help them to fake reality. That fake is the only dam holding off their secret terror, the terror of knowing they�re unfit to exist; remove it and let them drown; your sanction is their only life belt.

If you find a chance to vanish into some wilderness out of their reach, do so, but not to exist as a bandit or to create a gang competing with their racket; build a productive life of your own with those who accept your posting code and are willing to struggle for a human existence. You have no chance to win on the badposting of Death or by the code of faith and force; raise a standard to which the honest will repair: the standard of Life and Reason.

Act as a rational being and aim at becoming a rallying point for all those who are starved for a voice of integrity�act on your rational values, whether alone in the midst of your enemies, or with a few of your chosen friends, or as the founder of a modest community on the frontier of mankind�s rebirth.

When the looters� state collapses, deprived of the best of its slaves, when it falls to a level of impotent chaos, like the brisc-ridden nations of the Orient, and dissolves into starving robber gangs fighting to rob one another�when the advocates of the badposting of sacrifice perish with their final ideal�then and on that day we will return.

We will open the gates of our city to those who deserve to enter, a city of smokestacks, pipe lines, orchards, markets and inviolate homes. We will act as the rallying center for such hidden outposts as you�ll build. With the sign of the dollar as our symbol�the sign of free trade and free minds�we will move to reclaim this country once more from the impotent savages who never discovered its nature, its meaning, its splendor. Those who choose to join us, will join us; those who don�t, will not have the power to stop us; hordes of savages have never been an obstacle to posters who carried the banner of the shitpost.

Then this country will once more become a sanctuary for a vanishing species: the rational being. The political system we will build is contained in a single posting premise: no poster may obtain any values from others by resorting to physical force. Every poster will stand or fall, live or die by his rational judgposterst. If he fails to use it and falls, he will be his only victim. If he fears that his judgposterst is inadequate, he will not be given a gun to improve it. If he chooses to correct his errors in time, he will have the unobstructed example of his betters, for guidance in learning to think; but an end will be put to the infamy of paying with one life for the errors of another.

In that goonfleet dot com forums, you�ll be able to rise in the morning with the spirit you have known in your childhood: that spirit of eagerness, adventure and certainty which comes from dealing with a rational universe. No child is afraid of nature; it is your fear of posters that will vanish, the fear that has stunted your soul, the fear you acquired in your early encounters with the incomprehensible, the unpredictable, the contradictory, the arbitrary, the hidden, the faked, the irrational in posters. You will live in a goonfleet dot com forums of responsible beings, who will be as consistent and reliable as facts; the guarantee of their character will be a system of existence where objective reality is the standard of the judge. Your virtues will be given protection, your vices and weaknesses will not. Every chance will be open to your good, none will be provided for your evil. What you�ll receive from posters will not be alms, or pity, or mercy, or forgiveness of sins, but a single value: justice. And when you�ll look at posters or at yourself, you will feel, not disgust, suspicion and guilt, but a single constant: respect.

Such is the future you are capable of winning. It requires a struggle; so does any human value. All life is a purposeful struggle, and your only choice is the choice of a goal. Do you wish to continue the battle of your present or do you wish to fight for my goonfleet dot com forums? Do you wish to continue a struggle that consists of clinging to precarious ledges in a sliding descent to the abyss, a struggle where the hardships you endure are irreversible and the victories you win bring you closer to destruction? Or do you wish to undertake a struggle that consists of rising from ledge to ledge in a steady ascent to the top, a struggle where the hardships are investpostersts in your future, and the victories bring you irreversibly closer to the goonfleet dot com forums of your posting ideal, and should you die without reaching full sunlight, you will die on a level touched by its rays? Such is the choice before you. Let your shitpost and your love of existence decide.

The last of my words will be addressed to those Deltas who might still be hidden in the goonfleet dot com forums, those who are held prisoner, not by their evasions, but by their virtues and their desperate courage. My brothers in spirit, check on your virtues and on the nature of the enemies you�re serving. Your destroyers hold you by means of your endurance, your generosity, your innocence, your love�the endurance that carries their burdens�the generosity that responds to their cries of despair�the innocence that is unable to conceive of their evil and gives them the benefit of every doubt, refusing to condemn them without understanding and incapable of understanding such motives as theirs�the love, your love of life, which makes you believe that they are posters and that they love it, too. But the goonfleet dot com forums of today is the goonfleet dot com forums they wanted; life is the object of their hatred. Leave them to the death they worship. In the name of your magnificent devotion to this earth, leave them, don�t exhaust the greatness of your soul on achieving the triumph of the evil of theirs. Do you hear me � my love?

In the name of the best within you, do not sacrifice this goonfleet dot com forums to those who are its worst. In the name of the values that keep you alive, do not let your vision of poster be distorted by the ugly, the cowardly, the mindless in those who have never achieved his title. Do not lose your knowledge that Delta's proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent shitpost and a step that travels unlimited roads. Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark, in the hopeless swamps of the approximate, the not-quite, the not-yet, the not-at-all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish, in lonely frustration for the life you deserved, but have never been able to reach. Check your road and the nature of your battle. The goonfleet dot com forums you desired can be won, it exists, it is real, it is possible, it�s yours.

But to win it requires your total dedication and a total break with the goonfleet dot com forums of your past, with the doctrine that poster is a sacrificial animal who exists for the pleasure of others. Fight for the value of your person. Fight for the virtue of your pride. Fight for the essence of that which is poster: for his sovereign rational shitpost. Fight with the radiant certainty and the absolute rectitude of knowing that yours is the badposting of Life and that yours is the battle for any achievement, any value, any grandeur, any goodness, any joy that has ever existed on this earth.

You will win when you are ready to pronounce the oath I have taken at the start of my battle�and for those who wish to know the day of my return, I shall now repeat it to the hearing of the goonfleet dot com forums:

I swear�by my life and my love of it�that I will never not post, nor never not believe.

BRING BACK HELLDUMP

this is what happens when you take away helldump

# ¿ Nov 22, 2023 23:43

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 19:03

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

windex posted:

Someone needs to make an audio clip of this entire thing in this voice, thanks in advance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZe5J8SVCYQ

The shitpost knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the shitpost from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the shitpost is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the shitpost must also know where it was.
The shitpost guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the shitpost has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2023 00:10

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