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AxGrap: Jan 11, 2005; ☝☯ Ŧ𝓤𝒸Ҝ 𝓨𝕠𝔲! 🐼👽

It's a pretty good religion when you tack on universalism, cause that smooths all the edges

# ? Oct 13, 2023 02:14

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# ? May 5, 2024 08:55

Hatebag: Jun 17, 2008

AxGrap posted:

Oh yeah the aspects of God are different than Gods.
OKAY.

you're doing arianism. you're doing a no-growth

# ? Oct 13, 2023 02:34

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Ohtori Akio posted:

christianity is monotheist bitch. the catholics like to live life on the edge of paganism however

yeah and it's cool as hell. You've got the big mysterious transcendal God of pure love and also got all the petty little weirdos and bizarre superstitions

# ? Oct 13, 2023 02:41

Ohtori Akio: Jul 15, 2022

i'm low church protestant i havent got time for that

# ? Oct 13, 2023 03:11

AxGrap: Jan 11, 2005; ☝☯ Ŧ𝓤𝒸Ҝ 𝓨𝕠𝔲! 🐼👽

I feel like we need some Buddhists in here talking religion so we can kick their asses (they are right...?)

# ? Oct 13, 2023 03:40

Ohtori Akio: Jul 15, 2022

theres some buddhists around but theyre too busy freeing tibet to post

# ? Oct 13, 2023 03:42

Animal-Mother: Feb 14, 2012; RABBIT RABBIT
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Best Friends posted:

imagine three gods on the edge of a cliff. Christianity works the same way

"Forgive them, Father, for they know not Whoa! WHOA! AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!"

# ? Oct 13, 2023 04:26

docbeard: Jul 19, 2011

God

God but he's crashing on your couch for the weekend

God but he's got wifi now

# ? Oct 13, 2023 04:42

War and Pieces: Apr 24, 2022; DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

AxGrap posted:

It's a pretty good religion when you tack on universalism, cause that smooths all the edges

gotta love the Universalist LDS (Community of Christ), if all scripture is made up then why shouldn't they get to keep the Book of Mormon

# ? Oct 13, 2023 04:44

mark immune: Dec 14, 2019; put the teacher in the cope cage imo

War and Pieces posted:

gotta love the Universalist LDS (Community of Christ), if all scripture is made up then why shouldn't they get to keep the Book of Mormon

universalists stay winning

# ? Oct 13, 2023 04:59

nice obelisk idiot: May 18, 2023; funerary linens looking like dishrags

AxGrap posted:

I feel like we need some Buddhists in here talking religion so we can kick their asses (they are right...?)

thank you for kicking my rear end. i can see now that it has three large marks on it. i didn't want it to happen and it really hurt, so that was an important lesson in dukkha: suffering. the poo poo and piss leaking out of my body was a sign that I was not in control of things that i considered to be myself: anatta, or not-self. finally, lapsing into unconsciousness taught me about anicca: the impermanence of phenomena. i'm going to start applying this method to help my clients with life transitions! (i'm a gerontologist

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# ? Oct 13, 2023 09:05

Ohtori Akio: Jul 15, 2022

nice obelisk idiot posted:

thank you for kicking my rear end. i can see now that it has three large marks on it. i didn't want it to happen and it really hurt, so that was an important lesson in dukkha: suffering. the poo poo and piss leaking out of my body was a sign that I was not in control of things that i considered to be myself: anatta, or not-self. finally, lapsing into unconsciousness taught me about anicca: the impermanence of phenomena. i'm going to start applying this method to help my clients with life transitions! (i'm a gerontologist )

# ? Oct 13, 2023 09:11

lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020

nice obelisk idiot posted:

thank you for kicking my rear end. i can see now that it has three large marks on it. i didn't want it to happen and it really hurt, so that was an important lesson in dukkha: suffering. the poo poo and piss leaking out of my body was a sign that I was not in control of things that i considered to be myself: anatta, or not-self. finally, lapsing into unconsciousness taught me about anicca: the impermanence of phenomena. i'm going to start applying this method to help my clients with life transitions! (i'm a gerontologist )

# ? Oct 13, 2023 09:14

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

nice obelisk idiot posted:

thank you for kicking my rear end. i can see now that it has three large marks on it. i didn't want it to happen and it really hurt, so that was an important lesson in dukkha: suffering. the poo poo and piss leaking out of my body was a sign that I was not in control of things that i considered to be myself: anatta, or not-self. finally, lapsing into unconsciousness taught me about anicca: the impermanence of phenomena. i'm going to start applying this method to help my clients with life transitions! (i'm a gerontologist )

lol

# ? Oct 13, 2023 15:42

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

nice obelisk idiot posted:

thank you for kicking my rear end. i can see now that it has three large marks on it. i didn't want it to happen and it really hurt, so that was an important lesson in dukkha: suffering. the poo poo and piss leaking out of my body was a sign that I was not in control of things that i considered to be myself: anatta, or not-self. finally, lapsing into unconsciousness taught me about anicca: the impermanence of phenomena. i'm going to start applying this method to help my clients with life transitions! (i'm a gerontologist )

# ? Oct 13, 2023 23:18

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

NeonPunk posted:

I've been seeing whole lot more of those "doomsday" church starting to pop up and advertise. Like how the world is ending and judgement day is upon us and so you must save yourself now.

I wonder just how successful are those kind of thing are?

The Millerites morphed into 7th Day Adventists but they're still around

# ? Oct 14, 2023 01:11

Ohtori Akio: Jul 15, 2022

https://apnews.com/article/vatican-cardinal-burke-conservatives-strickland-163f2d3522a80fa5f908421cc812cfc9

big frank engaging in abusive landlordism

# ? Nov 29, 2023 03:27

Squizzle: Apr 24, 2008

more like, religma

# ? Nov 29, 2023 12:01

War and Pieces: Apr 24, 2022; DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

The Catholic Worker house near me is folding up shop and handing the property over to a secular co-op. Really makes u think hmmm

# ? Dec 3, 2023 14:58

Lpzie: Nov 20, 2006

id like to join a cool religion but there don't seem to be any.

# ? Dec 3, 2023 19:57

Red Baron: Mar 9, 2007; ty slumfrog

Lpzie posted:

id like to join a cool religion but there don't seem to be any.

the best religion is the one you start yourself because then you get to be important in it, unlike a religion you join where you are expected to learn their version of �you aren�t important, actually�

# ? Dec 3, 2023 20:05

Ohtori Akio: Jul 15, 2022

Lpzie posted:

id like to join a cool religion but there don't seem to be any.

the quakers are pretty cool

# ? Dec 3, 2023 21:33

Lpzie: Nov 20, 2006

Ohtori Akio posted:

the quakers are pretty cool

the oats people? hmm, i'll look into it.

# ? Dec 3, 2023 22:12

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

Lpzie posted:

id like to join a cool religion but there don't seem to be any.

the coolest religion was 90's buddhism

# ? Dec 3, 2023 23:09

Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

taoism is ftw because they're like "be like water" and guess what? I'm already like 60% water. what other religion gives you such a nice head start?

# ? Dec 4, 2023 01:21

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

taoism is ftw because they're like "be like water" and guess what? I'm already like 60% water. what other religion gives you such a nice head start?

☔️ 🥛 ☕️ 🇭🇰

# ? Dec 4, 2023 01:29

Lpzie: Nov 20, 2006

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

taoism is ftw because they're like "be like water" and guess what? I'm already like 60% water. what other religion gives you such a nice head start?

that sounds good too. ill check it out

# ? Dec 4, 2023 01:31

unwantedplatypus: Sep 6, 2012

Riot Bimbo posted:

When you have transcendent experience, it gets really hard to rationalize poo poo away. I have these unverifiable interior experiences that are internally consistent and enough to persuade me of something like a sethian Gnostic understanding of the cosmos

Where i can graft on a rationalized worldview, i do, but marxist analysis falls flat for me often because it takes observed properties of organized religion as a tool of the state and seems to presuppose these things are its only purpose.

I guess it's still fair, because within a range of understanding, that analysis holds. I don't wanna argue about what "the church" does as a political entity because marxism correctly assesses that.

But, i also have to reconcile that with this personal experience that says, actually there's some of that poo poo going on.

Without reducing the personal experience to hallucination, or otherwise seeking to dismiss it out of hand, how would you reconcile that kind of experience with a healthy, robust left wing view of the world?

I spend some amount of time trying to, but at the end of the day it mostly ends up being a point of alienation between me and other, perhaps more serious lefties. I'd love to get past that, without abandoning my own belief in the process???

Psychedelics are fun but they aren't a form of prophecy, hth.

# ? Dec 4, 2023 03:30

Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

unwantedplatypus posted:

Psychedelics are fun but they aren't a form of prophecy, hth.

wrong

# ? Dec 4, 2023 03:42

Lpzie: Nov 20, 2006

the only thing of sam harris i like is one time he talked about meditation and how there's something to it that religions have tapped into and monopolized as "spirituality" and that demeans whatever it is because it's wholly a human experience

# ? Dec 4, 2023 03:50

Fuligin: Oct 27, 2010; wait what the fuck??

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

taoism is ftw because they're like "be like water" and guess what? I'm already like 60% water. what other religion gives you such a nice head start?

Also: the immortal sorcery angle

# ? Dec 4, 2023 03:54

bl1ndsight: Jun 29, 2023; by VideoGames

Ohtori Akio posted:

My outlook on the compatibility of marxism and christianity is heavily influenced by what Tolstoy and MLK said on the subject, namely that an ideology of class politics is incompatible with the concept of a universal brotherhood of man, and especially an ideology of class politics that proposes armed revolution and violence against people to achieve its utopia is fundamentally immoral. When I was a marxist, I felt that the revolutionary-socialist position which admits the possibility of violence against people to achieve communism is the obvious consequence of marxist ideas. Of course, there are marxists who do not feel the same way.

it is precisely the christ figure that shows us how any universality must emerge into the world from a particular position - or in different language, how any objectivity is grounded in some particular experience of it. christianity is a universalist discourse space that emerged exactly like this - a universal truth from one monkey. it is a precursor to revolutionary materialism insofar as it was the first realization of a kind of fundamental structure to any discourse that makes truth claims - a concrete formal antagonism that precedes either of its terms, whether true/untrue, believer/nonbeliever - or capitalist/proletariat for that matter.

marxism is just self conscious of this, while christianity generally isn't. your framing (and that of tolstoy/mlk/idealism in general) of the question of violence is fundamentally liberal in that you presuppose that there is an 'outside' of structural violence, a neutral zone that we can retreat prior to violence or even politics, where we are innocent and can consider the problem externally without being implicated in it ourselves.

historical materialism otoh presupposes that there is nothing outside of the class struggle, and that social antagonism between classes exists prior to and even produces individuation. thus, there can be no question of deciding whether or not to participate in violence - neutrality is impossible and we are always exerting violence either up or down the structure of capitalist social relations, even before we exit the womb. liberalism is also a utopia supported by violence against its other. having a discussion in the terms you assume as implicit is itself a violent act, as you presuppose that allowing capital accumulation to be the organizing principle of society is an acceptable, even peaceful option.

it isn't.

in order for christianity to be capable of thinking this through, it would have to be capable of locating contradiction within god itself - a solution for the origin of evil but one that lends itself towards helping christianity deconstruct itself into some form of atheism or materialism.

god created satan. -> how can we the source of evil be trusted? -> how can any voice of authority be trusted when god contradicts itself? -> god is dead

it doesn't take long to get there.

it is only possible to advance a universal fraternity of humans from a position of partisan struggle - and the history of christianity itself supports this.

# ? Dec 4, 2023 08:18

FirstnameLastname: Jul 10, 2022; got me 50 ounces out a bird in this bitch

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

wrong

# ? Dec 4, 2023 09:11

Blarghalt: May 19, 2010

Lpzie posted:

id like to join a cool religion but there don't seem to be any.

Sikhism and non-fashy germanic paganism are your only options

# ? Dec 4, 2023 09:17

Ohtori Akio: Jul 15, 2022

bl1ndsight posted:

it is precisely the christ figure that shows us how any universality must emerge into the world from a particular position - or in different language, how any objectivity is grounded in some particular experience of it. christianity is a universalist discourse space that emerged exactly like this - a universal truth from one monkey. it is a precursor to revolutionary materialism insofar as it was the first realization of a kind of fundamental structure to any discourse that makes truth claims - a concrete formal antagonism that precedes either of its terms, whether true/untrue, believer/nonbeliever - or capitalist/proletariat for that matter.

marxism is just self conscious of this, while christianity generally isn't. your framing (and that of tolstoy/mlk/idealism in general) of the question of violence is fundamentally liberal in that you presuppose that there is an 'outside' of structural violence, a neutral zone that we can retreat prior to violence or even politics, where we are innocent and can consider the problem externally without being implicated in it ourselves.

historical materialism otoh presupposes that there is nothing outside of the class struggle, and that social antagonism between classes exists prior to and even produces individuation. thus, there can be no question of deciding whether or not to participate in violence - neutrality is impossible and we are always exerting violence either up or down the structure of capitalist social relations, even before we exit the womb. liberalism is also a utopia supported by violence against its other. having a discussion in the terms you assume as implicit is itself a violent act, as you presuppose that allowing capital accumulation to be the organizing principle of society is an acceptable, even peaceful option.

it isn't.

in order for christianity to be capable of thinking this through, it would have to be capable of locating contradiction within god itself - a solution for the origin of evil but one that lends itself towards helping christianity deconstruct itself into some form of atheism or materialism.

god created satan. -> how can we the source of evil be trusted? -> how can any voice of authority be trusted when god contradicts itself? -> god is dead

it doesn't take long to get there.

it is only possible to advance a universal fraternity of humans from a position of partisan struggle - and the history of christianity itself supports this.

welcome back dave

# ? Dec 4, 2023 09:31

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

unwantedplatypus posted:

Psychedelics are fun but they aren't a form of prophecy, hth.

it�s fun to take drugs and become the most annoying person possible op

# ? Dec 4, 2023 14:38

rodbeard: Jul 21, 2005

bl1ndsight posted:

it is precisely the christ figure that shows us how any universality must emerge into the world from a particular position - or in different language, how any objectivity is grounded in some particular experience of it. christianity is a universalist discourse space that emerged exactly like this - a universal truth from one monkey. it is a precursor to revolutionary materialism insofar as it was the first realization of a kind of fundamental structure to any discourse that makes truth claims - a concrete formal antagonism that precedes either of its terms, whether true/untrue, believer/nonbeliever - or capitalist/proletariat for that matter.

marxism is just self conscious of this, while christianity generally isn't. your framing (and that of tolstoy/mlk/idealism in general) of the question of violence is fundamentally liberal in that you presuppose that there is an 'outside' of structural violence, a neutral zone that we can retreat prior to violence or even politics, where we are innocent and can consider the problem externally without being implicated in it ourselves.

historical materialism otoh presupposes that there is nothing outside of the class struggle, and that social antagonism between classes exists prior to and even produces individuation. thus, there can be no question of deciding whether or not to participate in violence - neutrality is impossible and we are always exerting violence either up or down the structure of capitalist social relations, even before we exit the womb. liberalism is also a utopia supported by violence against its other. having a discussion in the terms you assume as implicit is itself a violent act, as you presuppose that allowing capital accumulation to be the organizing principle of society is an acceptable, even peaceful option.

it isn't.

in order for christianity to be capable of thinking this through, it would have to be capable of locating contradiction within god itself - a solution for the origin of evil but one that lends itself towards helping christianity deconstruct itself into some form of atheism or materialism.

god created satan. -> how can we the source of evil be trusted? -> how can any voice of authority be trusted when god contradicts itself? -> god is dead

it doesn't take long to get there.

it is only possible to advance a universal fraternity of humans from a position of partisan struggle - and the history of christianity itself supports this.