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Vahakyla
May 3, 2013





To better align with reality and to offer limitations and South American flavor, let's talk about the Vipers in this campaign. The F-16C is obviously a very capable plane, far ahead of the other planes in it and if let unchecked, would be the absolutely domineering jalopy in it, with very little drawbacks compared to the others who operate with poorer missiles, less situational awareness, and limited performance.

To keep it short, in reality Chile went about their F-16 purchase in two steps. They initially secured a US State Department permission to get 10 brand new F-16C Block 50 Vipers, known as Peace Puma the exact model we have in DCS. In addition, they purchased 36 second hand, ex Royal Netherlands Air Force F-16A/B MLU vipers, known as Peace Amstel. These were fairly advanced MLUs, however in order the US State Dept to approve the trade deal, Netherlands had to remove cryptographic features from them, Link 16 terminals, and the US wanted Chile to have limited AMRAAM capability, and as such only the 10 F-16C b.50 vipers have AMRAAMs. The Dutch removed AMRAAM capability from the second hand MLUs before the deal. The ability to deploy HARM's was also gimped during this.

Since DCS does not have a player-controlled MLU Vipe, we'll use the Block 50. However, great news, it isn't that far off either with some rules. The MLU program has essentially been a retrofit to bring older A-Vipers to the Block 50 standard. The last remnants of the old plane in them is usually mis-matched color MFDs, or some buttons missing.

The Dutch vipers were also due to receive updated MFDs for NVG-compability, but didn't before they were shipped over. While Chile's Vipers lack Link 16 capability, the Viper does possess its own radio-centric datalink system, capable of showing up to four flight members on the same VHF, and two other, usually other flight leads, over UHF. While the loss of Link 16 is a major setback, it does not leave these birds completely blind.


In practice, this means that the Chilean Vipers we have in our campaign will be handled as such:


Venoms:

12th Aviation Squadron: F-16C b.50

AMRAAMs and AIM-9Ms and various air to ground weapons. Initially only 10 of them, so they have to be used carefully. In addition, the sortie rate out of 10 total planes is 2 to 4 per mission.




Panthers:

7th Aviation Squadron: F-16A/B MLU

There a lot more of these, but they can't use the AMRAAM, HARMs, nor can they use NVGs or the Helmet Mounted Cueing System.
The mission commander can choose to sortie more of these.






The Vipers flying this weeekend will have two Panthers and two Venoms.





:frogsiren:

If you crash a Vipe during this prologue, that's one less Vipe on gameday. Fly good, don't suck.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Sep 28, 2023

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Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
In a 6-3 vote, the course of action is chosen to get Su-25T parts.


RESOLUTION GUINEA PIG (Fetch the Su-25T parts)







Briefing for this coming saturday with this course of action in mind will soon follow.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013



FLIGHT BRIEFING

ASCOT 1
C-130 x4


OVERALL TASK:

Drop Royal Navy SBS team and their floating pallet to the Atlantic.



Waypoint 1: the edge of seaboard. Hit this waypoint at 5000 feet of altitude. Inform Air Battle Management "OPEN BAR"

Waypoint 2: Approach this waypoint at 200 feet of altitude, traveling no more than 150kn, no later than 2 miles out. The passengers should exit precisely at the waypoint, and thus the drop should be initiated .2 miles away from the waypoint itself. Precision here is absolute key. If drop succesfull, call "IRISH GOODBYE". If unsuccesful, call "MOTHER IN LAW".

Waypoint 3: pass this waypoint heading 069 degrees, flying at 1500 feet. Initiate a gradual descent, runway treshold is at 10 miles, 069 heading, Runway 07, Santa Cruz Airport (IATA: RZA, ICAO: SAWU).

Waypoint 4: Runway treshold, 364ft MSL. Taxi to the end of the runway to the end concrete, w where trucks drive to you as you stop and will load you hot. Then turn around, and depart. This is a very narrow runway, so plan ahead stopping in intervals or you will not fit. You will not be able to pass each other. After departure, call "GUINEA PIG ROAST".

Waypoint 5: El Calafate. Mission Complete.

Total Flight Time: 1h10m



Questions?



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FLIGHT BRIEFING

Venom 1
F-16C b50
x2


2x AIM-9L, 4x AIM-120B per aircraft. Belly tank.
Do not jettison unless emergency.

Venom 1 will conduct escort, following the same waypoints as Ascot 1.
Same waypoint map, but all waypoints are at 20,000 feet.

--------------------------------


Panther 2
F-16A MLU
x2

WP0: Depart El Calafate
WP 1 and 2: Conduct BARCAP to protect the C-130s, establish a counter-CAP to the usual PLAAF CAP and posture. Orbit between WP 1 and WP 2 until the C-130s are "GUINEA PIG ROAST", then RTB.
WP3 3: El Calafate. Mission Complete.

6x AIM-9L per aircraft. Belly tank.
Do not jettison unless emergency.








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UZI 7
F-5 Tiger
x2


Conduct Point-CAP 80 nautical miles directly north of Rio Gallegos until "GUINEA PIG ROAST", then RTB.
Due to lack of datalink or navigation systems, you will perform this on the 360 radial at 80nm of the Rio Gallegos Tacan, 69X.

Land TACAN 069X with 064 heading Magnetic, it is at the runway treshold.

2x AIM-9P5 per aircraft, one fuel tank.
No jettison unless emergency.








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PONTIAC 5
Mirage 2000C
x2

WP 0: Depart Puerto Natales.

WP1 and 2: Perform Counter-BARCAP against the known PLAAF BARCAPs over Tierra del Fuego, until "GUINEA PIG ROAST", then RTB.

WP3: Puerto Natales. Mission Complete.

2x Magic
2x 530 SARH
Center fuel






QUESTIONS!?

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Sep 29, 2023

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012


Vahakyla posted:



QUESTIONS!?

Chilean meteorological division have anything for a forecast?

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
METAR, roughly similar at each eastern seaboard airport, but taken from Rio Gallegos.


VIS 3 miles, RA OVC 3/15 28/30, FEW 40

Precip

Winds are 065, 20 knots, gusting 25.

Altimer 2933.

Temperature 17, dewpoint 11.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Sep 29, 2023

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013


AIR BATTLE MANAGEMENT


Chilean E-3 will orbit on the 020 radial from El Calafate.

They are on UHF 261.00mhz, callsign "Condor".

Senior Director: Elendil

Air Weapons Officer: Davin_Valkri
Air Weapons Officer Wrathcough
Air Weapons Officer: LapisAzure




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Yeah lol, we got lots of people wanting to ABM so we're having newbies practice it during this so there'll be a bunch of people in LotATC looking at it.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Sep 29, 2023

Aero737
Apr 30, 2006


Air Traffic Control

Hello, I will be herding cats... I mean performing air traffic control duties during this campaign. My primary responsibility is to safely get each flight into the air, back to base, and avoid flights smashing into each other midair (CFITs are on you though). Air traffic control will be on a unified frequency of 260.00mhz, however, additional frequencies may be opened to help segregate ground operations from air operations or to decongest frequencies over large geographies.

For our first mission, ATC will be controlling both El Calafate, Peurto Natales, and Rio Gallagos airports. Santa Cruz will be uncontrolled.

With weather being below VFR minimums, expect instrument approaches into your respective airfields.


El Calafate



Terminal controlled airspace exists Ground - 4500ft within 15nm of the airfield and 2000ft - FL135 within 30nm of the airport. The minimum safe altitude (MSA) within 25nm of the airport is 9100 ft to the south and west of the 130 and 310 TACAN radials and 6200 fto the north and east of the same radials.

The apron is uncontrolled. Do not call for startup, you will startup following your flight lead. You will contact ATC holding short of taxiway B. If you require pushback onto taxiway B, contact ATC prior to pushback. The standard RW 07 departure will involve an intersection departure at Taxiway B (6,280 feet of available runway) or Runway 25 back taxi. Advise ATC if unable to accept.

Expect to be given radar vectors while in controlled airspace.

TACAN is avaiable on 87X

VOR-TACAN approach is available. Plates have been provided to assist with instrument approaches. The transition Altitude is 7000ft.









Natales



High terrain directly in the approach path of Runway 28 makes this a challenging airport. MSA within 25nm of the airport is 9600 ft.

Contact ATC when ready to taxi. Expect to back taxi for departure.

Departure has required minimum climb gradients of 500 per NM. Expect radar vectors on departure.



TACAN is available on 26X

VOR-TACAN approach is available. Plates have been provided to assist with instrument approaches. Transition Altitude is 10,000ft. Note that the approach path is offset 30 degrees from runway 28 centerline. Runway 10 circle to land authorized to the south west only.







Rio Gallegos



Terminal controlled airspace exists Ground - FL055 within 15nm of the airfield and FL055 - FL145 within 40nm of the airport. MSA within 25nm of the airport is 3000 ft.

Both the commercial and military aprons are uncontrolled. Do not call for startup, you will startup following your flight lead. You will contact ATC holding short of taxiway A or C. The standard RW 07 departure will involve an intersection departure at Taxiway A (8,410 feet of available runway) or RW 25 full length. Advise ATC if unable to accept.

Expect radar vectors on departure.

TACAN is avaiable on 69X.

VOR-TACAN approach is available. Plates have been provided to assist with instrument approaches. Transition Altitude is 3,000ft. Expect to fly the DME arc after the IAF :getin:








More details on how to fly a TACAN approach coming soon.

Aero737 fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Sep 29, 2023

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

Vahakyla posted:

QUESTIONS!?

Maybe explain a few of the TLAs to make it easier for non mil aviation nerds to follow.

Prawned
Oct 25, 2010

Baguettes 1 and 2 ready for action. Glad the team has a superior (French-made) plane available to support the escort.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Ascot 1 flight, the group of C-130s chosen for this demanding mission, are loaded and ready to go. Morning dawns at El Calafate on the 11th of February, 2010.

Ground crews are checking the planes and making sure everything is ready for the 0900 departure (real time tomorrow at 2000 UTC in the goon game).









Let's go check the plane that the SBS will sit in.



They will jump out of this ramp.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Sep 29, 2023

Aero737
Apr 30, 2006


Australia, Keen to slow the PLA advance in the Southern Hemisphere, has been strategically partnering with South American, Pacific, and African countries in providing defense aid and humanitarian aid. The No. 36 Squadrion of the RAAF, flying C-17 Globemasters, has been tasked with this.

Mission Tasking: Deliver essential supplies and radio navigational beacons to aid Chilean and Argentinean forces.

Routing RAAF Amberly (YAMB) to El Calafate (SAWC) via South Pacific

Load Sheet:







Loading cargo



Foggy morning outside Brisbane. 4:05 am local.







Breaking through the fog and low cloud layer



Early summer sunrise.




En route over New Zealand. Our flight path roughly follows the 40th parallel across the South Pacific.



Approaching the west coast of Chile. Fog fills the fjords due to the marine layer.



Initiating combat descent after crossing the Andes. The mountain range provides a natural shield from PLAAF radar and their SAM network. We will descend into a mountain valley and follow the terrain to our destination.



CAUTION TERRAIN CAUTION TERRAIN



In the valley. Countermeasures armed, lights off.



On final approach into El Calafate. The city is in the background.



Full reverse.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


its 10.5 tons of vegemite isnt it

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
drat we sortieing everyone.

------------------------------------------
Panther 3
F-16A MLU (gimped F-16C)
x2

WP0: Depart El Calafate
WP 1 and 2: Conduct BARCAP to protect the C-130s, establish a counter-CAP to the usual PLAAF CAP and posture. Orbit between WP 1 and WP 2 until the C-130s are "GUINEA PIG ROAST", then RTB.
WP3 3: El Calafate. Mission Complete.

6x AIM-9L per aircraft. Belly tank.
Do not jettison unless emergency.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Who will make a 2000-2010 Latin American playlist on Spotify? Anyone is welcome to try their hand. We have some South American people here I already saw.

It’ll be used for background music and I’ll have it on, too.

Edit: Macarena is implied, yes

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Sep 30, 2023

Jarmak
Jan 24, 2005

Vahakyla posted:

Who will make a 2000-2010 Latin American playlist on Spotify? Anyone is welcome to try their hand. We have some South American people here I already saw.

It’ll be used for background music and I’ll have it on, too.

Edit: Macarena is implied, yes

Can this be piped over radio freq on SRS?

edit: and can that freq be guard? :getin:

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Jarmak posted:

Can this be piped over radio freq on SRS?

edit: and can that freq be guard? :getin:

Yeah as long as no active Twitch streams, heh.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Gonna be so much Shakira and Ricky Martin

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

That Works posted:

Gonna be so much Shakira and Ricky Martin

I looked at the top hits of Argentina in 2009 and it sure is a lot of U2, Lady Gaga, The Killers, etc, plus a few latin artists.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.
If you're looking for Latino club music in 2010, particularly the kind that hotshot pilots are going to be listening to (reggaeton), you want stuff like Daddy Yankee, Pitbull, Chino y nacho, Juanes, Marc Anthony, and of course Shakira. Spotify has a pretty decent 00s Latino playlist that you could build off of: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWWfSNTZNgABD?si=0728bd2987b64f70

Though they are missing the OG reggaeton song, Gasolina, which loving John McCain had a banger response to:

quote:

Despite Daddy Yankee’s denials, the sexual interpretation of “Gasolina” persists to this day. When the reggaeton star endorsed Arizona Senator John McCain in the 2008 presidential election, even McCain was forced to address it. An August 2008 New York Times article recapped the awkward moment:

These days, [‘Gasolina’] is usually understood as a double entendre that has little to do with fossil fuels… Asked on the plane what ‘Gasolina’ is about, [McCain] smiled and said, ‘Energy independence.’

https://genius.com/a/twitter-debate-about-the-true-meaning-of-daddy-yankee-s-gasolina-caused-a-surge-in-genius-popularity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGKrc3A6HHM

Kaal fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Sep 30, 2023

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Get ready for tons of cumbia

Snapshot
Oct 22, 2004

damnit Matt get in the boat
Aero737,
Can you scare up a set of plates for Santa Cruz? Ascot 1's going in with minimal visibility and effectively a NDB with range for approach.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


Vahakyla posted:

Who will make a 2000-2010 Latin American playlist on Spotify? Anyone is welcome to try their hand. We have some South American people here I already saw.

It’ll be used for background music and I’ll have it on, too.

Edit: Macarena is implied, yes

For the Brazilian jocks i guess starting with Charlie Brown jr, skank, detonautas wouldn't be wrong

Then add a heavy base of country music and a sprinkling of funk carioca to taste

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Space Kablooey posted:

its 10.5 tons of vegemite isnt it

The other 7 tons is a set of gravity assist area denial weapons systems, designated for use in wooded areas.

drop bears

Snapshot
Oct 22, 2004

damnit Matt get in the boat

Snapshot posted:

Aero737,
Can you scare up a set of plates for Santa Cruz? Ascot 1's going in with minimal visibility and effectively a NDB with range for approach.

No such luck, there aren't any plates available. On the upside, I've been able to pull up some satellite imagery and there is a turn around available midfield. Also no obstructions along the runway path all the way to the river other than trees.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Snapshot fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Sep 30, 2023

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
We fly in 2 hours and 22 minutes. Assemble in Discord.

If you simply wish to spectate, there's gonna be people streaming over Discord and probably other platforms, too.
You can also observe Air Traffic Control and Air Battle Management in Discord.





While there's no player A-4 Skyhawks in this prologue, this is what the combined Chilean and Argentinian fleet that they operate from looks like, with ARA Veinticinco de Mayo as the flagship, capable of launching roughly one skyhawk per 1 minute and 30 seconds.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Prologue was a success. There'll be more pictures but I'll post these quick ones here.





El Calafate traffic jam.




C-130 departing.








So, the secret drop was a delivery of floating containers with gear, and a parachute drop of Royal Navy Special Boat Squadron to the HMS Agincourt. This Royal Navy ship will now take a secret course to prepare our SBS team for the incoming Arma 3 mission that will play into this campaign.

The drop was precise, the SBS team members did not have far to swim. I do not have pictures of the parachute dudes though.

Instrument weather was challening for all, but people managed. I myself in the ancient F-5 with nothing but steam gauges and a TACAN signal seriously struggled especially on the approach to Rio Gallegos, but it was a great challenge.




Final roster was this:

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Oct 1, 2023

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

I don't have a ghost of a chance of learning this complicated-rear end game but I'm already having a great time just following along here in the thread. (And you haven't even really started playing yet!)


Aero737 posted:



Approaching the west coast of Chile. Fog fills the fjords due to the marine layer.

You can tell this C-17 mission is backstory, because the moon wasn't that phase on Feb. 11 2010. Assuming it happened in the past month, it'd have to be somewhere around January 25th, about two and a half weeks prior. :science:

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Powered Descent posted:



You can tell this C-17 mission is backstory, because the moon wasn't that phase on Feb. 11 2010. Assuming it happened in the past month, it'd have to be somewhere around January 25th, about two and a half weeks prior. :science:

I am unsure of the MSFS2020, but in DCS you have accurate moon and sun phases going back some 30 years. We've used the real phases to plan missions, and it is really cool. So when you set the date of the mission, it shows you the phases and you can correlate those with whatever you want. Often if it is a night mission, I'll look for days with a decent moon to help newbies not fly in complete pitch black.

Aero737
Apr 30, 2006
It was set to January 25... you guys are nuts.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Uzi 7 After Action Report


Uzi 7-1: Myself
Uzi 7-2: Jarmak


We took a while to fiddle with out radios. Jarmak had not checked to his secondary radio ever, because the F-5 has too few so we use the radio extension mod that adds an imaginary VHF radio. He was not sure where to adjust it initially so it took us a moment. Next time we'll be ready to go.

We departed Rio Gallegos and took 360 course from the Rio Gallegos TACAN, which allowed us to set up the proper CAP on it. The instrument flight climb out was fraught with peril because there is no HUD in the F-5, and only old time steam gauges. I had practiced using the TACAN, but not in poor weather. So as we were climbing, I suddenly was upside down and turning. I had confused, for a moment, the South for the North, and I had rolled upside down while figuring it out. I did regain my awareness but it was still a teaching moment. You really have to focus on the instruments when you can't see poo poo.

A radial is an imaginary line coming out of the center of a circle. We can imagine that there's 360 radials coming out of a radio beacon for air navigation purposes. So if our patrol was to orbit the point that is on 360 radial and 80nm from the beacon, we put the beacon directly behind us, and flew towards heading 360. This way when the distance measuring equipment, or DME; said 80nm in the cockpit, we knew we were in the right spot.

So anyway, at that spot we were called by Condor to practice an intercept on Pontiac 5 that was 120nm away. We turned our radars off and flew a bit to the side which allowed us to surprise them. After this, we flew back to our radial, and landed shortly afterwards. My wingman was excellent in staying with me the whole time. Only improvement is checking radios beforehand.


Vahakyla
May 3, 2013


Date: February 12, 2010

Concerning: Overall Situation

Briefing Focus: The frontline

Ladies and Gentlemen, we'll analyze yesterday's operation as soon as flight leads get their reports in. In the meanwhile, we have to turn our heads towards the rapidly deteriorating situation.
We can not wait to hit back much longer. We have a hastily drawn map here.

The past few weeks have seen intense fighting and had we had more airpower ready, or a firmer grip, we could have held to Tierra del Fuego better. However, it has not been the case. The PLAGF has two main axis of attacks, supported by the PLAAF and PLAN.

We just were briefed that two PLAGF brigades have captured the recently abandoned Punta Arenas airbase. While CSAD has wanted to hold off attacks while we possess sufficient numbers, this rapid loss of ground is starting to cascade. And on another axis, two further PLAGF brigades are pushing against our last foothold in Tierra del Fuego, the garrison of Franco Bianco military airport. We have a severely depleted Argentinian Mechanized Brigade there (Grid DB), and another Chilean Mechanized Brigade just north of Punta Arenas (Grid CB).

This is all the forces we have available right now, and both are unlikely to defeat their opponent.

We have two choices to make right now.


Choice 1:

Do we prepare an air operation ahead of schedule, on the 15th, four days from now, rather than the originally intended 20th?

If we wait, we will have a better intel picture of Chinese SAM sites and their air power, and the Brazilian fleet will be resupplied and able to assist with its capital ship. NAel Minas Gerais. If we do not wait, and instead choose to act on the 15th, we are however more likely to assist the BLUFOR brigades.

Time of Action Turtle: Wait until the 20th
Time of Action Rabbit: Plan for an air operation on the 15th





IN ADDITION, we have a second choice to make.
Due to our limited resources and aircraft, and the fear of diluting combat power too much, we must choose an area of focus. On this hastily drawn map, we've circled two friction points.

Orange Circle, Punta Arenas airbase (Currently unuseable due to battle proximity) and the narrow isthmus, assisting the Chilean Mech Brigade as our focus, or do we both defend and reinforce our last foothold on Tierra del Fuego, the green circle?


Course of Action Alpha: Focus on Punta Arenas, aim to deny PLAGF digging in at Punta Arenas and pushing forward on the isthmus
Course of Action Bravo: Focus on Frianco Banco Airbase, assist the defenders there and hold onto the last grip on Tierra del Fuego


In any case, the rough Forward Edge of Battle Area for us is the Strait of Magellan. It is a significant natural barrier and will likely be a great hindrance to all parties. The PLAN littoral forces are currently providing short-range sealift and ferry from Tierra del Fuego to Darwin Island (Cut by grids CA and DA) to Punta Arenas, and it is a far more demanding effort for them compared to the convoys on Highway 3 and 257 reinforcing that side through Rio Grande and Tolhuin. In COA Alpha, we can hurt the island hopping troops, and in COA Bravo we can aim to hurt some of those convoys on highways.






OUT OF CHARACTER:
this mission is 14 October, 2023, in two weeks. Since we haven't had a volunteer for overall commander (anyone even slightly interested can occupy this slot through the forums), we shall vote by thread-reader. Everyone welcome to vote, but remember to say why you think. Consider using Google Maps or Google Earth or something, as the ports, harbors, airfields, and highways are all modeled in DCS and will be serve their implied purpose. There aren't many highways around these areas either.

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Man what the hell, I wouldn't mind being the commander if no one else is interested. I believe we should deny the invaders Punta Arenas, being a relatively major-ish city and I think it'd be a pain in the rear end to take it back. Alpha it is.

Also, I vote Rabbit. Let's not let them get too comfortable here.

Negostrike fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Oct 1, 2023

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer
I would be open to trying out the ground* commander role, provided I'd still be allowed to fly in the actual DCS missions. :sweatdrop:

I do like the idea of having people weigh in with their takes and reasoning for choices relating to operation tempo and course of action for the big overarching decisions. Perhaps we could leave the supreme commander role to thread votes and seconded suggestions?

E: re-read the OP and re-wrote my answer

Mederlock fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Oct 1, 2023

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer
As for my take on the next mission, I say we should proceed with Time of Action Rabbit, to accomplish Course of Action Alpha.

Given the geography around Franco Bianco, with the PLA units having the benefit of attacking out of the mountainous region south of it into what's essentially a flat plain to the Strait, and also having the benefit of a clear highway route to the front line, I think it would be an untenable position to hold. It would be far more advantageous to have that brigade perform an organized retreat across the strait, and blow the ferry terminal* there behind them, leaving the Strait as a natural moat on that axis.

As for Punta Arenas, the PLA forces have a long and complicated logistical tail on that axis, and their GLOC to the airbase there is along a highway on a long, exposed coastal plain. Attacking on this axis would also allow us to approach from the West, using the mountain range along the spine of the peninsula to evade detection and allow our older birds to get the drop on the PLAAF's fancier airframes. I think it plays to our strengths and denies them easy access to the mainland along the isthmus.

Mederlock fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Oct 1, 2023

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


Rabbit alpha. Denying airbases is critical at any point, even more so when the enemy isn't dug in.

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

January 1. Happy New Year. Man, you thought it was poo poo then. That turned out to be wishful thinking, but what were you supposed to do? Buy a bunch of bitcoin, take one kid under each arm, and hike up to Santiago? You wish you'd done that.


Somehow, on the very first morning of 2010, the kids let you sleep until 11am. You can't remember that happeningat any time in the past. You had a few glasses of wine too many with the neighbours. The kids would be staying at their grandparents today, that'd give you some time to cure the hangover and get the place in order again. When you finally stumble down in the kitchen, Rosa is still out. But she must have briefly popped in to bring you the paper. You make a note to thank her for taking care of you this morning. Maybe pick some flowers. Or get some pie going, something nice for when comes back. Yeah, that sounds about right.

The news in the paper isn't good. Not good at all. Yesterday you had briefly hoped that the coming year might become better. Now you wonder how much worse it can get. St. Helena was how far away, one thousand miles, two thousand maybe? They wouldn't want to come here, would they? What for? Cod and sheep?

You make a shopping list. Top up on butter and eggs, flour. You know that there'll be a crisis coming, so throw in some extra toilet paper. Should be everyone's last concern but whenever things get rough, toilet paper runs out first. Most people here could stand to lose a couple of pounds, but they don't want to walk around with a dirty bum. It makes sense, in a way.

You make your way to the shop. You're on autopilot. That autopilot disconnects as soon as you pass through the automatic doors of the small grocery shop. The line goes all the way from the register, along the frezzer, through one of the three small aisles, towards nearly the shop. Can't squeeze by anyone. Then again, what for? Most of the good stuff seems gone anyway. poo poo. Happy New Year, motherfucker.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Rabbit Alpha. Rabbit because giving them a chance to get dug in will force our pilots to do a lot more SEAD work and also allow the invasion force to dig in. Alpha because sinking ships means that there's no chance of OpFor recovering the materiel on board as compared to potentially leaving some combat effective if we hit them on the highway. Also, maybe our strikers would only have to worry about MANPADS from the boats instead of dedicated air defense platforms traveling with the columns.

Also, I would second the person above who asked for definitions of the three letter acronyms (at least the first time they're used).

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


I would be grateful for a glossary section as well.

Jarmak
Jan 24, 2005

I'm going to buck the trend and argue that we should proceed with Rabbit Bravo.

Main thinking is two-fold:

Fighting retreat across a straight is extremely dangerous and very well could result in us effectively losing that mech brigade completely as an effective fighting force; basically leaving a brigade fighting with their back to the water to just figure out their own retreat sounds like a bad idea. The brigade at Punta Arenas has favorable terrain to pull back to; they can much more effectively mount a fighting retreat and attrit the enemy attacker while doing so.

Punta Arenas will be much easier to counter attack with a mech brigade that's fallen back to defensive positions and been reinforced. The Chinese still have to resupply their forces there over the strait of Magellan, and having the air base at Franco Bianco would put us in good position to contest that crossing through air interdiction. Conversely we're going to have to pull off a contested amphibious landing across the strait to counter attack Franco Bianco or otherwise ever push the Chinese off Terra Del Fuego, and we might have to do it down one entire mech brigade. It also keeps a second front open which complicates Chinese logistics, which should be a major advantage of ours given we're on home turf.

Put another way: Achieving B puts us in a significantly better position to recover A, and A is in a much better position to conserve resources in their loss. While losing B means it's pretty much gone; it would be gaining a piece of strategic terrain on one front at the expense of letting the Chinese completely close off the second front.

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That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Voting Rabbit / Bravo.


Flying an A4 loaded with snakeyes on an armored convoy makes me have special feelings that can't be ignored.

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