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Grip it and rip it posted:But maybe... this time...? "If we war crime hard enough we can cleanse.....er, gain more land!"
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Crab Dad posted:Hamas/civilian it's all really just labels and we like to think it's all fluid - Israeli propaganda. likely Yeah, its far more likely they are killing non-combatants as they have in the past and going "Oops, all Hamas" Its not like the dead can defend themselves...
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Oct 10, 2023 17:21
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:I mean, I hate Israel as much as the next Jew, but Jesus gently caress some of you people have some brain worms Re: Israel. I mean its a country that actively alienates and ostracizes the natives and then act like they are profoundly aghast that the natives are fighting back. And purposefully sabotaged any sort of two state solutions so they could conduct a campaign of land seizure and ethnic cleansing. And they have a proven habit of labelling civilians who run or hide from the military as combatants down to outright killing them and/or disappearing them. The problem is it has nothing to do with being Jewish, everything to do with the political state they've created. And they've purposefully created a system that conflates criticism of Israel as a state as criticism of Jews. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Oct 10, 2023 |
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Oct 10, 2023 18:04
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:It’s loving Hamas. Yeah they both loving suck. Whoever wins, we all lose.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:35
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facialimpediment posted:I think this is the first really big news event since the muskian enshittification of twitter and holy gently caress is it completely, utterly unreliable. I thought I could fish through the enshittification with the sources I follow, but it's just not really possible. Musk has openly embraced Right Wing echochambers because he thinks it will get him closer to people in power. And because Musk is a loving apartheid Right Wing moron.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:49
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M_Gargantua posted:He's not wrong. Tiny Timbs posted:I feel like he's going to run into the problem that Trump did where none of the old money and old power can stand him for a nanosecond This. Despite the fact that he's viewed as smart, he's a techbro douchebag who has a habit of burning bridges.
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Oct 10, 2023 19:36
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:The funniest thing is neither of those two can 
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Oct 10, 2023 20:11
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ASAPI posted:That opening drone footage was both interesting and scary. I don't like how easily they attacked infrastructure and kept the drone (presumably) after delivering the payload. I wonder how many lessons Hamas has taken from seeing it done in Ukraine.
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Oct 10, 2023 23:07
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Soylent Pudding posted:Before the birth of modern Zionism, Palestine was already one of if not the most heavily Jewish populated regions in the world as a percentage of the population, with some sources suggesting as high as 10%. Even if Zionism never happened there would have been enough Jewish communities in Palestine to demand their own separate state following British decolonization. Yeah I think you missed the entire point about how native Jewish people and Zionism are not the same, and how Zionism led to poo poo like this: Fivemarks posted:I PROBABLY Shouldn't bring up stuff like the Village of Najd, and how it was depopulated by the Negev Brigade, and how Sderot was built on its ruins?
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Oct 11, 2023 16:22
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:What if the paraglider dropped grenades? What if he did it by opening a box that was taped to something structural Nah needs a fix or movable gun emplacement that is rough shod added to be a technical. You just describes a bomber.
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Oct 12, 2023 01:01
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Yeah, its important to keep in mind: Both Hamas and IDF are bad, but the IDFs long goal and the Israeli governments goal has been the dissolution of Palestine and Gaza for decades. Anything giving them ammo to finally achieve that is exactly what they want.
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Oct 12, 2023 17:58
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Suicide Watch posted:IDF is a citizen force that serves at the orders of the government. When fighting the regional wars of the 60s, and 70s, they were a legitimate armed force. Their policing actions later on in the occupied territories and Lebanon are very questionable. Except the party in control of both sides is Extremist. From Bibi to Hamas. To say there are some progressive elements ignores that they are not the ones in control. At all. That's not nuance. Bibi in Israel and Hamas in Gaza have spent a long time locking the more moderate voices out of power.
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Oct 12, 2023 18:42
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Jarmak posted:I think the point of the nuance is that the IDF is not itself the source of the problem; I would label likud as being the closer analog to Hamas. I think IDFs bad behavior is a cultural issue internal to their armed forces and encouraged by the Israeli state, not something distinct based on who is leading. Suicide Watch posted:Sure, but what is your message to the people within Israel who are locked out of power and trying to do something about it? Dunno what to tell you man, but frankly protesting harder was the only thing that even slightly delayed the Israeli Justice Reform, which then went through anyways. Its not something that the minority parties nor Israelis can really control - Israel is well on the path to a fascist state.
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Oct 12, 2023 20:14
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Jarmak posted:Culture is heavily influenced and potentially changed by leadership. This is especially true in a situation of universal service where the culture doesn't reinforce itself through self-selection. The change in leadership should've been when Bibi was pushed out previously. He came back.
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Oct 12, 2023 21:19
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6,000 bombs. How do you even drop that many on such a small area.
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Oct 12, 2023 23:33
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Arione posted:Well that's what happens when they use human shields... Wow, are you are drone operator?
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Oct 13, 2023 00:19
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Humanitarian groups and the UN are already calling on Israel to rescind their evacuation order: https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/13/middleeast/israel-gaza-hamas-war-friday-intl-hnk/index.html
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Oct 13, 2023 17:26
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Cythereal posted:Israel's president on the subject of civilians in Gaza is: "What civilians? I don't see any civilians?"  Jesus loving Christ.
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Oct 13, 2023 17:50
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:The mass evacuation order may or may not have been intended as a ruse, but according to reporting on the ground they bombed a civilian/medical convoy of ~30 vehicles that was complying with the order. Which they have done before.
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Oct 13, 2023 18:36
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They told millions of people to evacuate, then bombed the evacuation convoy. This isn't collateral damage, they knew what they were doing and have been doing this poo poo for over a decade now. Labeling it 'typical military collateral damage' is a loving disservice, and is whitewashing the history of war crimes the IDF has done. quote:Apologists, even of the pseudo-liberal variety, often argue that killings by the IDF are inadvertent, accidental, unintended, lacked willful intent, or were in legitimate self-defense. Even a skeptical cursory view of the findings of human rights organizations paint a very different picture offered by such apologists. Consider the Second Intifada where violence among Palestinians was more prevalent and heavily cited as reasons for enhanced security. Like, as bad as the US DOD is, we regularly prosecuted and convicted soldiers who did less than what the IDF does. As bad as Hamas is, and Hamas fully deserves to get crushed, using Hamas as an excuse to carry out war crimes and then argue its in self-defense is seriously hosed. IDF is a well trained and professional military. They know exactly what they are doing. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Oct 14, 2023 |
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FrozenVent posted:Targeting civilians predate strategic bombing. Heck, even if the action wasn’t aimed at them, an army on the march would loot everything on its path - “foraging” was how they fed themselves, there wasn’t much of a logistics train. Yes, but we kinda discourage that now, and good luck using that as an excuse as a defense in a court martial.
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Oct 14, 2023 16:59
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Tiny Timbs posted:Anyone who think there's a chance of him leaving is kidding themselves Seriously, a major corruption case that wrapped up multiple of his subordinates didn't take him down, and he's openly hardened his position. A.o.D. posted:Pretend I'm mad max and I'm pointing and saying "That's a police state." Pretty much. Democracy in middle east, my rear end.
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Oct 16, 2023 18:06
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Alchenar posted:Okay well war-aims defined - Netanyahu plumbing for full re-occupation. "See that? That's where I held up that lovely bomb poster"
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Nov 7, 2023 14:11
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bloody ghost titty posted:Former deputy chief of staff to the Israeli military on BBC just now comparing Hamas to 1945 Nazis...this...feels bad? Like, quiet part loud bad? "Hamas is the Nazis, so that's why we're going full on Warsaw Ghetto on the Gaza Strip"
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Nov 7, 2023 15:41
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orange juche posted:Hamas isn't even close to an existential threat to the Israeli state, it's such a bullshit take and also massive projection too lol Its like the lesson the Israeli Government learned from the Holocaust was: Next time, be the boot rather than subject to the boot.
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Nov 7, 2023 15:55
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Not to mention that the Hamas attack has largely been used, much like 9/11 was, as a way to carry out things that the Israeli Government was just looking for an excuse to do. They always wanted to do this, this was just a catalyst for them to press the Go button. And for all we know (conjecture here) they knew it was coming and stayed complacent to exploit this outrage.
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Nov 9, 2023 21:05
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Laughing Zealot posted:Boy, things are truly gone to hell when this guy is making sensible points. Worst guy you know makes a valid point. Sadly, given Musks alignment with the Right Wing, wouldn't be surprised if one of his anti-Semitic friends put this in his head.
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Nov 10, 2023 22:09
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1st Shirt: "Make sure you have a will filled out, also, please make sure to go visit the sperm extractor before you head for the door to the plane."
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Nov 15, 2023 13:15
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psydude posted:There's literal footage of them cutting open a pregnant woman and throwing her fetus on the ground and stomping on it. Or do you think that's some kind of IDF production as well. The problem is the response is Israel Government going: "See? We're not doing that, we're just killing the kids with bombs and in the hospitals and claiming those same hospitals are actually secret underground headquarters for Hamas to justify thousands of children's deaths" The video is fake.
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Nov 16, 2023 23:07
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psydude posted:This is correct. But if you go back and reread the posts there was a lot of couched language suggesting that even the non-sensational stuff was made up. Yes but it feels like you are grasping at straws here, no offense.
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Nov 17, 2023 18:47
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Israel has a habit of playing both sides of the field so yeah, not exactly the guys you trust without verifying.
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Nov 28, 2023 14:58
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Herstory Begins Now posted:eh makes more sense in the context of just how many completely destroyed cars there are to deal with You don't normally bury destroyed cars - you scrap them or recycle them. Burying them is unusual.
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Nov 30, 2023 19:57
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Proud Christian Mom posted:I was told Joe was the "harm reduction" choice For if you live in the US - Yes. For outside the US - No, but Trump won't be reigning in the Israelis either.
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Count Roland posted:Employees of a consulate are civilians. This strike (in Damascus, Iranian consulate, targeting Iranian military dude) was more precise and planned than what they do in Gaza but the tactics are consistent. Targeting Consulates is pretty frowned upon, I though.
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Count Roland posted:If I wasn't clear then yes, it sure is. Diplomatic staff that work at consulates are not military targets. Yeah, that's gotta be spooking some people. If you can just airstrike other countries consulates, then really everything is fair game.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Oh no, won’t someone think of the poor IRGC general and his compatriots. Consulates - fair game if there's someone you don't like inside. Embassies hate this one weird trick. Not defending Iran here, but if violating sovereign space is now the norm because 'there was a baddy inside' we've set an awful, terrible precedent. And given that Israel is bombing hospitals, refugees, and aid workers, maybe now isn't the time to defend them.
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What a wedding....er, I mean, consulate between a bomb and a bad guy.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:There are no innocent Iranian government workers in Syria. Particularly IRGC-QF generals. Absolutely does not justify bombing a consulate, sorry. Again, given Israel's willingness to drop a bomb through marked hospitals and aid convoys, if even basic international legal agreements are null and void then worse is going to happen. Israel is more than capable of doing things like robotic drone assassins with machine guns to hit a specific isolated target, yet they needed to bomb a consulate to get this guy? C'mon now.
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orange juche posted:The American Right hitched themselves to Israel bringing about the Rapture and Israel will definitely try to do that if they think that the US is abandoning them in the bed Israel made. I don't know exactly how much damage a handful of nukes that Israel probably has would do, but once the cork is out of the bottle, other people are going to start tossing them and then where does that go? Nobody knows I'd assume they have more than a handful given their signalled willingness to use them in the event Israel fell.
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