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If someone wants to discuss only aerial bombing and whether or not it is discriminate or not (it is not discriminate in this case), then I have to ask if they also think that cutting off food, water, and electricity and telling 1 million people to dehouse themselves is discriminate use of force and justifiable coercion and force against civilians. Before you try to work through whether this seems reasonable, it's the kind of thing that has already been written about and discussed at length, before this current conflict kicked off. https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1
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BUUNNI posted:By doing this the Israelis also gave permission for their citizens to be legitimate targets since they are technically responsible for selecting their genocidal state. It can never be repeated enough that protections from war crimes and for civilians are INCLUSIVE to as many as possible not EXCLUSIVE to as few as possible, no matter how many internet poster law people say that doing one weird trick removes human rights protections.
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bulletsponge13 posted:The purposeful targeting of civilians is a normal act in war. I believe you are conflating "purposeful targeting of civilians" and "not caring about collateral / military necessity to the point of cruelty" E: To be crystal clear, I mean this in respect to your statement that purposeful targeting of civilians is a normal act in war generally. I am not saying that in this specific war, Israel is just oopsy killing civilians. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Oct 14, 2023 |
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bulletsponge13 posted:There is no moral difference. I'm just never going to agree with you. Purposefully targeting and killing civilians is morally different from making a good faith effort at the individual level not to kill civilians and failing due to scale of war. Purposefully targeting and killing/wounding civilians for the purpose of killing civilians is murderous poo poo, and the people who dot that are murderers by any definition. A soldier trying very hard not to kill civilians, but who is part of a major combat operation where by state policy, the national leadership has accepted some level of civilian collateral is not the same as a murderer who takes time to try to kill and injure civilians. If a tank crew member shoots at a guy with an ATGM, and that shot also kills 3 civilians he can't see or doesn't identify one room over, that is not the same as a military planner deciding that he will bomb an entire building with 100 civilians inside that he knows about, just because there is one ATGM team in a window of that building. Saying the two are the same thing is letting murderers walk away with a clear conscience, because they aren't going to take that moral equivalence and say they're all bad guys, they use it to rationalize their crimes and murderous intent as something that everyone is doing.
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bulletsponge13 posted:We aren't talking about individual soldiers, we are talking military leaders. Military planners target civilians targets as a strategy in war. Every single military to ever get fielded. We aren't talking accidentally killing a civilian because you missed a shot. We are speaking different scales. Language like the below doesn't indict militaries effectively or reduce harm. It is the kind of argument that murderers use to justify their actions. "We all do this, it's normal, this is just how it is, oh well. If you didn't want to murder civilians, you shouldn't have joined or been drafted." bulletsponge13 posted:When it comes time, every single officer will channel LeMay and Cortez and slaughter half a city to take an objective that is nothing but ruins. Imagine this is your going to war speech: "Look, we purposefully target and kill civilians. It's what we do. Let's face it, it's what every armed force on the planet does. We all purposefully target and kill civilians. That is normal behavior, and every other leader to your left and right would do it, too. It is normal. It is just how the world works and how war works. So just remember that purposefully targeting and killing civilians is normal and everyone does it. Now, the only morally clean way out is to desert the forces or refuse orders, and if you do that I am prepared to have you formally punished by the state. Now let's go to war." That's a dogshit message! It is the message that gives cover to murderers and immoral and ethically bankrupt decision-making. It is a message that normalizes killing civilians and disregarding harm to civilians. Even if someone gave that speech with the hope in their heart of hearts that the whole military would lay down their arms and say no, they embrace pacificism, that would be just naïve and really crappy communication skills. Even if you believe that any given head of state is willing to engage in practices that have high levels of collateral damage to the point of being indiscriminate or outright targeting civilians, telling military leadership "it is normal to purposefully target and kill civilians" is in practicality a way to increase damage to civilians, not some pacifistic truth-telling that will make everyone lay down their arms and say "drat, makes you think."
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At the strategic level, leader guidance matters. A president telling his armed forces “go purposefully target civilians; it’s just normal,” is rather different from a president telling the military “targeting civilians is illegal and you will be punished if you do it.” In the middle area is that if you are a country that has procedures to reduce harm at the tactical/operational level but you strategically insert yourself into a large number of sprawling conflicts, is your operational care just window dressing for your strategic desire to use lethal force overseas to impose your will? Is that model worse than a sloppy, indisciplined military that commits a lot more civilian abuse per engagement, but has only been in one war in the last 70 years or whatever? Maybe!
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https://twitter.com/john_hudson/status/1713318391157604431?s=46&t=fppHBZSlD4AbSz5pJxjFMQ I knew a change to this stance was only a matter of time but still…
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notwithoutmyanus posted:Like I said, Israel has a bad reputation does not = any sort of answer to what happened. While I've been slower to jump to a conclusion (also if Israel did it or not, they are still directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians and cutting water and humanitarian access to civilians in collective punishment), it did not help that a social media advisor to PM Netanyahu and a reserve IDF member posted this, in response to the incident: 
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Don't Ask posted:There are enough terrible things that we did do, no need to go to great lengths for that unfortunately... It’s true that Israel has committed war crimes and engaged in illegal collective punishment of civilians, proudly, even without mention of the hospital. So if somehow we could know 100000% that Israel was not responsible for the hospital, you still end up with dozens of other Israeli attacks on medical facilities and healthcare workers, civilians, and cutting off good water and electricity to civilians and humanitarian medical and aid supply systems.
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psydude posted:You're correct, but the issue is that nobody in power in the Arab world cared about any of those other things. Well, this simply is not true, jfc, I hven’t seen an  this heavy handed in a long time. Saying “gee, it is shocking how everyone else (not me) is stuck in their own narrative bubble (but not me)”
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psydude posted:If it's not true, Dude, you have a LOT of work to do to make a coherent argument that Arab leaders did not care about Israel’s actions over the last two weeks, until the hospital. Personally, rather than doing that work, I recommend you just admit you wrote something very ignorant and untrue. It is not going to be hard for poster after poster to dogpile you with evidence that leaders of Arab-led countries (and other countries) did not approve of Israel’s collective punishments and striking civilians over the last couple weeks.
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psydude posted:You're correct, but the issue is that nobody in power in the Arab world cared about any of those other things. This statement is such a profoundly incorrect statement, and it's the peak of for accusing people of being uninformed and living in media bubbles. Your statement is not is not about some mysterious lack of evidence or difficult circumstances, it's a point of view that is only possible either through reading no news at all or trying to push forward a very specific point of view. Don't tell me to "calm down" just because you wrote a very plainly untrue thing and got called on it. If you post obvious falsehoods, you should expect people to notice that. This is why I gave you a chance to pull back your comment, but you doubled down while also changing the subject away from Israel's response in the last 2 weeks and instead decided you wanted to address a different topic. Here's Saudi Arabia putting its normalization with Israel on hold multiple days before the hospital. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/14/saudi-arabia-puts-israel-deal-on-ice-amid-war-engages-with-iran-report quote:The first source familiar with Riyadh’s thinking said talks could not be continued for now and the issue of Israeli concessions for the Palestinians would need to be a bigger priority when discussions resumed – a comment that indicates Riyadh has not abandoned the idea. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/jordans-king-palestinian-leader-warn-against-escalation-gaza-2023-10-12/ Jordan posted:AMMAN, Oct 12 (Reuters) - Jordan's King Abdullah and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas called on Thursday for steps to prevent a deterioration in the Gaza crisis and they condemned what they called Israel's "collective punishment" of Palestinians. All of the statements below are from before the hospital. Egypt posted:Egypt: “The Arab Republic of Egypt warns of the dire dangers of the ongoing escalation between the Palestinian and Israeli sides, following a series of attacks against Palestinian cities. Egypt calls for exercising the utmost restraint and avoiding exposing civilians to further risks, warning of serious repercussions as a result of the escalation of violence, which would negatively affect the future of truce efforts. The Arab Republic of Egypt also calls on international actors involved in supporting efforts to resume the peace process to intervene immediately to stop the ongoing escalation, and urges Israel to stop attacks and provocative actions against the Palestinian people, and to adhere to the rules of international humanitarian law with regard to the responsibilities of the occupying state.” Iraq posted:Iraq: “Iraq affirms its firm position, as a people and a government, towards the Palestinian issue, and that it stands by the Palestinian people in achieving their aspirations and obtaining their full legitimate rights, and that injustice and the usurpation of these rights cannot produce sustainable peace. The operations carried out by the Palestinian people today are a natural result of the systematic oppression they have been subjected to since ancient times at the hands of the Zionist occupation authority, which has never adhered to international and UN resolutions. Therefore, we call on the international community to take action to put an end to the serious violations and restore the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people, which is still suffering from occupation, policies of racial discrimination, siege, transgression of sacred things, and violation of humanitarian values and principles. We warn of continued escalation within the Palestinian territories; because it will reflect on the stability of the region, we also call on the League of Arab States to convene urgently to discuss developments in the dangerous situation in the Palestinian territories.” Jordan posted:Jordan: “The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Expatriate Affairs stressed today the need to stop the dangerous escalation in Gaza and its surroundings, and warned of the dangerous repercussions of this escalation, which threatens to further escalate the situation, especially in light of the Israeli attacks and violations witnessed by cities and regions in the West Bank on the Palestinian people, and on Islamic and Christian sanctities and deprivation of the Palestinian people of their rights. The Ministry warned in a statement of the consequences of this escalation on all efforts to achieve comprehensive calm, and stressed the need for restraint, protection of civilians, and respect for international humanitarian law. The Ministry stressed that the escalation of violence in all its forms and the continued escalation will lead to worse and will reflect negatively on everyone. The Ministry stressed that finding a real political horizon to achieve peace on the basis of a two-state solution in accordance with international legitimacy resolutions, in a way that ends the occupation and embodies the independent, sovereign Palestinian state, with East Jerusalem as its capital, on the lines of June 4, 1967, so that it can live in security and peace alongside Israel and stop Israeli measures that perpetuate the occupation and undermine opportunities to achieve just and comprehensive peace is the only way to stop the deterioration and achieve security for all.” Kuwait posted:Kuwait: “The Ministry of Foreign Affairs expressed the State of Kuwait’s deep concern about the developments of recent events and the escalation taking place in the Gaza Strip and the occupied Palestinian territories, which came as a result of the continued violations and blatant attacks committed by the Israeli occupation authorities against the brotherly Palestinian people. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs affirms the State of Kuwait’s call on the international community, especially the [United Nations] Security Council, to assume its responsibilities and stop the ongoing violence, provide protection for the brotherly Palestinian people, and end the provocative practices of the occupation authorities, especially the ongoing violations of the sanctity of the Blessed Al-Aqsa Mosque, and the policy of settlement expansion. While the Ministry of Foreign Affairs affirms the firm and principled position of the State of Kuwait in standing by the brotherly Palestinian people and supporting them until they obtain all their rights, the most important of which is their independent state on the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital, it warns that the continuation of the cycle of violence without stopping it and deterring those who caused it would undermine peace efforts and a two-state solution.” Qatar posted:Qatar: “The State of Qatar expresses its deep concern over the developments in [the] Gaza Strip and calls on all parties to de-escalate, and exercise maximum restraint. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs holds Israel solely responsible for the ongoing escalation due to its ongoing violations of the rights of the Palestinian people, the latest of which was the repeated incursions into Al-Aqsa Mosque under the protection of the Israeli police. The Ministry stresses the need for the international community to act [urgently] to compel Israel to stop its flagrant violations of international law, respect the resolutions of international legitimacy and the historical rights of the Palestinian people, and to prevent these events from being used as a pretext to ignite a new asymmetric war against Palestinian civilians in Gaza. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs reiterates the firm position of the State of Qatar regarding the justice of the Palestinian cause, and the legitimate rights of the brotherly Palestinian people, and to establish their independent state on the 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital.” Algeria posted:Algeria: “Algeria is following with great concern the development of the brutal Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip, which claimed the lives of dozens of innocent sons and daughters of the Palestinian people who fell as martyrs in light of the Zionist occupation’s persistence in the policy of oppression and persecution that it imposes on the brave Palestinian people. Algeria strongly condemns these policies and practices that violate the most basic humanitarian rules and references to international legitimacy. In this context, Algeria renews its demand for the immediate intervention of the international community through the relevant international bodies to protect the Palestinian people from the arrogance and crime that the Zionist occupation has made a feature of its occupation of the Palestinian territories. Algeria also renews its conviction that the Zionist settlement occupation is the core of the Arab-Israeli conflict and that ending the misfortunes, scourges and tragedies resulting from this conflict undoubtedly lies in responding to the legitimate national rights of the Palestinian people and enabling them to establish their independent state on the 1967 borders with Al-Quds Al-Sharif [Jerusalem] as its capital.” There are some other countries that make a more generic "everyone should de-escalate" without being terribly clear about which side they blame more. UAE is probably the most friendly to Israel in their statement, but you didn't just call out UAE. UAE, October 10 posted:Updated UAE statement, October 10: “The Ministry stressed that attacks by Hamas against Israeli towns and villages near the Gaza Strip, including the firing of thousands of rockets at population centers, are a serious and grave escalation. The Ministry is appalled by reports that Israeli civilians have been abducted as hostages from their homes. Civilians on both sides must always have full protection under international humanitarian law and must never be a target of conflict. The UAE expressed its condolences to the families of the victims and urges all diplomatic efforts to prevent a wider regional confrontation. Furthermore, the Ministry deeply mourns the loss of Israeli and Palestinian lives as a result of the outbreak of violence, and calls on both parties to de-escalate and avoid an expansion of the heinous violence with tragic consequences affecting civilian lives and facilities. The UAE underscored that the international community needs to work together to prevent the violence risking wider instability and spillover, including the involvement by other groups. The UAE reaffirmed that the international community must remain resolute in the face of these violent attempts to derail ongoing regional efforts aimed at dialogue, cooperation, and co-existence, and must not allow nihilistic destruction to overtake a region whose people have already suffered enough war and trauma. The Ministry stressed that the UAE remains in close contact with all regional and international partners to swiftly de-escalate the situation and restore calm in Israel and the OPT [occupied Palestinian territories] and a return to negotiations for a final settlement within the parameters of the two state solution for Palestinians and Israelis, who deserve to live in peace and dignity.” E: psydude posted:Hamas' propaganda victory around this [hospital] specific incident has made it impossible for them to quietly side with Israel against Hamas and makes it more difficult for the US and other countries to pressure Israel into a diplomatic solution. If you think the specific hospital story is "this specific" reason that countries are calling out Israel, you are ignoring all these statements and the maneuvering well before the hospital. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Oct 19, 2023 |
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Don't Ask posted:I'll be honest, I haven't been thinking straight since 07/10 so I may be missing a barb in your post, but basically yeah. I was not needling you in that post. Just talking the fact that whoever is responsible for the hospital, while it is a big news story, it’s unfortunately a small fraction of the collective punishment and casualties inflicted on civilians in Palestine in the wake of the Hamas terror attacks.
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psydude posted:Did you miss my most recent post, Yeah, to be honest with you, I am not sure what topic you are addressing, really. I was talking about the 2023 war in the 2023 Hamas/Israeli War thread, which is why I was referencing the most recent cutting of water, the hospital incident, etc. Then you change subjects to 5 years ago. Then you changed subjects again to 2006 in the more recent post I didn't see. I am glad that you now acknowledge that it is not true that the hospital is the specific point at which Arab countries argued against Israel's conduct in Gaza and Palestine. Your post calling out the hospital incident as the "specific" point at which Arab led countries started to "care" about Israel's behavior indicated a contrary position.
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If anyone's curious, this is the non-partisan FAQ built for members of congress as of 13 October 23 on the issue. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47754
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A.o.D. posted:When did they say they did it? A social media advisor to PM Netanyahu and member of the IDF (Naftali) initially claimed Israel did the strike justifiably because Hamas operatives were in the hospital. Then he deleted his tweet within the hour and said someone else did it. E: if you're asking about contradictions, the IDF used a video from 2022 and also a video time-stamped offset from the attack to say those were the strikes on the hospital. Both of these claims were proven to be untrue. After that, the IDF dropped them as evidence before settling on the latest explanations. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Oct 19, 2023 |
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This won’t tell you who did it, but it will point out inconsistencies in various stories. https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1715020457324290336?s=46&t=fppHBZSlD4AbSz5pJxjFMQ https://www.channel4.com/news/who-was-behind-the-gaza-hospital-blast-visual-investigation
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mrmcd posted:Israel will never be able to start the ground invasion because they'll have a constant backlog of all US state governors just cycling through the country a week at a time. A good way to de-escalate. Just nonstop VIP visits.
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https://twitter.com/centcom/status/1715928363624521761?s=46&t=fppHBZSlD4AbSz5pJxjFMQ Carrier was previously announced. New announcement is deployment of Army air defense units to CENTCOM, plus unspecified orders put on PTDO.
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Meanwhile, NYT disagrees with their video analysis (but doesn’t know what exactly happened) https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-video.html
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Godholio posted:destroys the rapport that's been slowly building up. I feel like minute zero after the Hamas attack had a lot of rapport and support, and it all started eroding in the weeks to follow.
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PittTheElder posted:What the actual gently caress. How/why would you be required to do this? “Loyalyty pledge” is a derogatory term used by people opposed to the stupid law. Texas and a bunch of states require that a company certifies it does not expressly boycott Israeli products, if signing a contract with Texas for Texas government money to be paid to the company. The courts have ruled a few different ways over the years, but it is largely an unenforceable culture bullshit law. https://www.courthousenews.com/fifth-circuit-parses-texas-ban-on-boycotting-israel/ Also it’s a fumb thing where there is no boycott pledge for Texas direct employees, just for contractors paid by the Texas government. It is all very dumb and rather toothless, but I understand that some people refuse on principal to just lie to Texas in order to get a contract.
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Alchenar posted:The conditions in gaza suck, but they aren't untenable at all. Oh really. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-year-occupation-palestinian-territory-apartheid-un-human-rights https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution And we'll take a look at the West Bank while we're here: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/12/israel-un-experts-condemn-record-year-israeli-violence-occupied-west-bank
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Alchenar posted:Okay I'm responding specifically to the claim that this was a deliberate attempt to provoke a gotterdammerung style final battle over the status of Gaza. Which it absolutely was not. Your argument is starting to make a slightly more sense now that you pulled out an industrial sized set of these bad boys.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Borscht posted:This is the norm for huge portions of the world. It’s not great but cities have operated for decades in see these exact conditions without constant cholera outbreaks. The expectation of anything but constant running water being unacceptably dangerous is a very western idea to me and I’ve personally lived in two different countries where it’s not only the norm but somewhat of a luxury to get anything more than 2 hours of “pipe” a day. There is a difference between lack of clean water due to decades long infrastructure problems in undeveloped areas and Israel’s deliberate cutting of supplies like food and water to Gaza as a policy. The UN, Human Rights Watch, AI, etc, refer to the situation as apartheid. It’s not the same as Gaza just happening not to have clean water, because it’s an undeveloped country.
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Borscht posted:Not sure what you’re responding to in my post but yeah I agree with you. I’m more saying that juche’s argument was overstating the capability and breadth of US intel capability. There are so many things that are unknown or only kind of guessed at or that the US gets flat wrong. I wouldn’t take US gov silence on an issue as evidence that they know something but just elect not to share it. E: wrong thread reply I think. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Nov 12, 2023 |
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Any argument that Gaza just sucks, but it's tenable, or "well, they have bad water in other parts of Earth, too" isn't going to illuminate the current situation. The UN, HRW, and others have been pointing out that the last year or two have been exceptionally violent ones, when it comes to Palestinians being killed or dehoused, prior to the October 7 attack. There has been conflict escalation brewing for a while. And an argument that there is unclean water elsewhere in the world isn't a great one to deploy when discussing a strip of land militarily enclosed by Israel (and Egypt, in part), which is described by human rights orgs and the UN as apartheid or an open-air prison. Yes, there are other towns and areas without clean water, but if a wealthy modernized country encloses one tiny area and ensures there is no clean water or reliable fuel supply there, they might take it a little bit more personally than if they were part of some large stretch of a community or nation where no one had proper clean water access. It's a bit more agitating when you can look over the fence or use the internet to see that you are being deliberately deprived of resources. The disparity and deliberate policy is a key part of the situation; people are not just saying that that lack of clean water simply makes people become violent.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/gaza-rising-death-toll-civilians/?itid=hp-top-table-main_p001_f005quote:More than 11,100 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since Oct. 7, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry. While there is no breakdown between fighters and civilians, most of the dead are women and children.  
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psydude posted:Syria seems like a major undercount. At least a half million people died in like the first few years of the war. UN has the estimate at around 308,000 civilians dead as a result of conflict in Syria as of 2022. https://www.ohchr.org/en/stories/2023/05/behind-data-recording-civilian-casualties-syria
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Count Roland posted:12k deaths would be around 4% of that total. I cannot personally vouch for the specific numbers in that chart. If you read the WaPo article you can click their references. UNICEF puts the number of dead children in Syria at 13,000 instead of 12,000 as of spring 2022.
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One of the differences with Syria is that 2.5 million refugees left, with a large portion being women and children. But refugees can’t really leave Gaza. If someone has other numbers, feel free. I am just going with what the UN and humanitarian aid organizations have as the best estimate. One of the anti-government Syrian groups puts the number of children killed in Syria around 25,000 as of 2022, rather than the 13,000 estimated by UNICEF.
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FrozenVent posted:Also, if you see someone arguing in bad faith or trolling, report them and move on, there’s no need to engage. You jump at shadows a lot. You’ve probed people for “posting about posters” when the post was just a response to a claim and included zero personal attack. Trap sprung, I guess, cause now I am posting about moderator, but I figured this was better than reporting your post to you.
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https://x.com/jordanuhl/status/1725340407670915379?s=46&t=fppHBZSlD4AbSz5pJxjFMQ While we’re talking about wild claims, how about “none of the dead kids are the result of Israeli action.”
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Al-Saqr posted:new details out 56 crew is an abnormally large number for a ship like this. Where are you reading that number?
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Al-Saqr posted:houthis announce that many of the crew aboard the ship they captured were Israelis using dual passports, which is a common practice for israelis because theyre all colonialists. This read more like trolling to me. When the IDF says they bombed a bunch of non-combatants, but actually the IDF claims they were double secret agents of Hamas, this reads like the same kind of claim out of the Houthis, not like they actually found that a bunch of secret Israelis were working as deckhands. You have been biting on some questionable sourcing. Like did you ever come back with where you heard that there were 56 crew on board the ship?
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Here is reporting on the deal and how it came to be. Qatar has a very interesting kind of city-state position where they hosted the Taliban leadership, host some Hamas leadership, also host the USCENTCOM forward headquarters and one of the larger US airbases in the region. https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-israel-hamas-war-hostage-qatar-0126c6443a9b3b32fe97032b81eaa515
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3.5 years of blockade. It was costly and Qatar made significant investment in self-sustainment during that time (stuff like indoor farming etc).
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People have less of a problem with the idea that some number of Israeli civilians were killed by friendly fire (seems very likely that somewhere and in some number that occurred, on the day of the Hamas attack! And it's just a known certainty that thousands of civilians have been killed by the bombing campaign in Gaza), but people are balking at the idea, absent evidence, that over 50% of the deaths at the concert were at the hands of Israeli helicopter pilots.
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bulletsponge13 posted:If the footage is accurate, Getting that close shows a distinct lack of discipline and security. It’s a small camera on a stick coming out of a hidden underground spiderhole. Not sure manning the ECP and maintaining 360 is gonna cover all your bases in that environment.
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