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also two of the last scenes felt like a great sucker punch before the real ending fade to credits. if the last scene was just the radio drama I understand how it would upset people but it's not the final scene on purpose
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KOTFM part 2? Hale: origins Molly and the multiverse of madness But really the film by definition is quite long, though I never felt the length at least and was quite drawn in. I did have to take a pee break still (intermissions please)
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The movie turning whiter and whiter as it goes on felt intentional to me. The Osage are literally being whipped out, and we see fewer and fewer native characters and meet more and more white characters. Mollie ends up truly alone, with all her family being killed. I took it as a metaphor for America as a whole. White people supplant the natives on screen the same way we did in history. One thing I really commend this movie for is completely stripping away all the glitz and glamour and “cool” of its villainous protagonists. They’re some of the most evil people I have ever seen on screen, and so stupid and banal about it. There’s no mustache-twirling villainy. Just greed and amorality. It’s incredibly realistic.
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i read the wikipedia synopsis, and it sounds like this shoulda been the movie where a bear rapes dicaprio (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 23, 2023 23:28
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What did Anna say right before they shot her?
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Tenkaris posted:What did Anna say right before they shot her? I'm still processing a lot of feelings about that specific moment along with Molly sorta knowing what's going on the entire time and powerlessly watching it play out. I think I love the decision, but I can see how it can feel... I dunno, unfair or something. It's just brutal in a way I've never seen in a movie.
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Oct 24, 2023 06:52
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"If you kill me I'll kill you." or something like that.
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Undeniably well made and acted, but goddamn I checked my phone at one point and only an hour had gone by and I had thought surely its been 2. Got really worried at that point but the second 2 hours went by a lot quicker than the first. This movie just being a parade of the dumbest, most vile white ppl known to man was horrifying to watch. DeNiro especially, what a snake. Of course they all lived long, undeserved lives
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I kept recognizing the one guy from the gas station scene in No Country For Old Men They did a good job making him look ghoulish though
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Oct 24, 2023 14:35
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Fan-loving-tactic movie. Easiest the best “where are they now” segment Marty ever did.
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live with fruit posted:I don't anticipate a lot of college students putting posters of Ernest Burkhart up in their dorm rooms. no, but i do want that jacket.
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Oct 24, 2023 17:14
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 My Shawnee Nation friend sent me this post by her Osage friend
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https://twitter.com/kdeveryjacobs/status/1716510735856009559
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when the film flashes back to Anna just before the killing, which it does a few times throughout—it gets more and more heart breaking each time. like she continues to haunt the story. and then when the baby dies, its her name sake. real heavy
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For added context, this is from one of the stars of Reservation Dogs https://ew.com/movies/reservation-dogs-star-devery-jacobs-slams-killers-of-the-flower-moon-hellfire-dehumanizes/
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that was one of the best movies I've ever seen. Scorcese really is THAT DUDE E: this movie reminded me of a book I read in 2020: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250179821/theendofthemyth Honestly fantastic book and puts so much into perspective. The "frontier" was such a brutal and dark time. The REAL Goobusters fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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I mean, yeah, I get it. Growing up Jewish diaspora makes it hard to stomach Holocaust movies. But I also can't completely discard the idea that for some people, a good movie on the Holocaust might genuinely be their first real exposure to the story.
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I had this feeling when the FBI agents were introduced like a different, more conventional movie collided with this one. Then I learned the screenplay originally centered on their investigation, with DiCaprio playing Jesse Plemons' character, until it got rewritten. Dodged a bullet there huh. It's a way more interesting movie for focusing on Ernest and Mollie, and making clear what he's doing at the start.
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The idea that the white guys planning the killings were given "courtesy and depth" in any capacity, let alone more than the Osage characters, is really hard for me to understand in that critique. To some extent Ernest has complexity but only insofar as it's necessary to explain why Molly would even be interested in him. Beyond that all the killers are just unredeemable garbage. Like beyond Ernest seeming to genuinely love Molly at times I can't think of a single moment of courtesy given to the killers. It's actually insane how straightforwardly they're portrayed as pure evil, and yet imo how well that works. Martman fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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Earnest states “he loves money almost as much as he loves his wife.” Of course we see that the opposite is true. That’s his depth: he loves moneys and women as he told Hale at the beginning. You could argue that he thought the other murders were just helping his family secure a fortune, but by the time he’s poisoning Molly he’s made his priorities clear.
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checkplease posted:Earnest states “he loves money almost as much as he loves his wife.” Of course we see that the opposite is true. That’s his depth: he loves moneys and women as he told Hale at the beginning. You could argue that he thought the other murders were just helping his family secure a fortune, but by the time he’s poisoning Molly he’s made his priorities clear. Mustache Guy becoming sort of friends with the depressed Osage dude and still killing him is Ernest and Molly's relationship in a microcosm. YaketySass fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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Oct 25, 2023 17:12
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Was hoping not to read spoilers drat
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Oct 25, 2023 18:29
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Yo please spoiler up your posts
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Oct 25, 2023 18:39
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Those fuckers killed the flower moon.
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This movie didn't have to be 3.5 hours. No movie does. It's a blurring of lines between TV and movies that all movies are this long now.
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normally i would agree that no movie should be long but Scorsese gets a pass because he's like the only good filmmaker left
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mcmagic posted:This movie didn't have to be 3.5 hours. No movie does. It's a blurring of lines between TV and movies that all movies are this long now. is this a source your quote "No good movie is too long and no bad movie is short enough."
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Famethrowa posted:is this a source your quote i love Ebert and i know everyone loves this quote but it's not true, there are definitely good movies that are too long lol
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:normally i would agree that no movie should be long but Scorsese gets a pass because he's like the only good filmmaker left Taxi Driver was under 2 hours. The Departed was 2:30. He knows how to edit.
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mcmagic posted:Taxi Driver was under 2 hours. The Departed was 2:30. He knows how to edit. he actually doesn't, that's why he lets Thelma Schoonmaker do it
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:he actually doesn't, that's why he lets Thelma Schoonmaker do it guess who edited this one
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Oct 25, 2023 22:44
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I wouldn’t have cut a scene.
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I liked it a whole lot but I'll echo that it was too long. I went in with a different mindset: I actually had no knowledge of the historicity of the actual characters, just the events of the Osage murders. From the trailer, it felt like Earnest was a more heroic character and he was going to turn and defend Mollie (that scene on the stairs was a key image from the trailer). Instead, it was three and a half hours of just bad people doing bad things. Horrifying and heartwrenching and beautifully filmed. The scene with Earnest coming into the room full of whites with the lawyer was like something out of a loving vampire movie. It was terrifying.
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The Irishman was way too long and was just kind of a mess of a movie to me. This one moved at a good pace and was probably the best I've seen Marty do with criminal scumbaggery drama since Goodfellas.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:normally i would agree that no movie should be long but Scorsese gets a pass because he's like the only good filmmaker left I loved Oppenheimer but it did feel like it dragged on compared to this somehow?
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We know the length before seeing it. Shouldn’t be a surprise that 3.5 hours is long. Mentally and physically prepare yourself accordingly.
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YaketySass posted:Mustache Guy becoming sort of friends with the depressed Osage dude and still killing him is Ernest and Molly's relationship in a microcosm. That’s a good point yeah. You can tell they want to be friends. But he just loves money. Hale may be similar. He talks about how great a friend he is to the Osage and keeps writing to them after he goes to prison. Loves them, but money comes first. American way, right.
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Also a lot of them thought the Native people were basically another resource to mercilessly exploit as if they had discovered oil in their own backyard (of stolen land also). Basically treating them as if they were cattle… along with their actual cattle ranches. Hale was basically a political boss for the small town, something that has kind of mostly gone away. Think Tammany Hall type stuff… basically proto mobster poo poo, but it’s all smiles because you are in the same Stonemasons chapter as the sheriff and poo poo.
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