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Man I know people are capable of convincing themselves of just about anything but it's wild to imagine someone deluding themselves that they love their wife while they're plotting to blow her sister up with dynamite and poison / shoot the rest of her immediate family. Also, someone in my showing laughed really loud and then tried to cover it with a cough at the "it sounds like you're planning to adopt and murder these children" part.
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Knowing nothing about the history going in, I found I went through quite a journey with DiCaprio's character, from sort of explicitly thinking he was going to be the down to earth hero of the film, to wondering if it was going to be some of white redemption story but also knowing that it was very much not that based on the reviews and it being 2023, to desperately hoping that wasn't the case. In the end you're forced to just grapple with the fact that it's a historical film and the terrible truth of what was done. I think it is one of the best examples of a film being self conscious of the baggage many viewers will bring and working with that effectively.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Also, someone in my showing laughed really loud and then tried to cover it with a cough at the "it sounds like you're planning to adopt and murder these children" part. That got a big laugh at my showing, but in fairness, it is a loving great line.
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It’s insane to see people act like the ending was like excusing what happened or that it was them congratulating themselves or whatever and not that it was supposed to be this deeply cynical ending where the FBI funded radio show with a cigarette sponsor gets to have the final say on what happened to these real people. Like that was very clearly the point.
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I feel like it was also taking a dig at true crime in general. With so many wacky podcasts about real death these days.
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Marty has no idea what a podcast is
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This film is wonderfully subtle. Spending about four hours in the same couple places, on or around main street, subconsciously establishing the residents of the town through slight interactions really helped both The end scene in the lodge and the scene where the old man relents what he saw to Jesse Plemons hit. Like, of course that man saw everything. There's nowhere else to go. The doctor's office is across the hall from the Masonic Lodge. Also: Before the Explicit poisoning of the insulin, Molly has clearly been poisoned by the food. When she hears about her sister dying, she's at a French pastry cafe. The doctors warn her to eat less bacon etc., but what exactly is she supposed to be eating? One thing I will say, despite the length it felt like some of the scenes were progressing too quickly. Like it was moving from one informational beat to the next, and while everything it was establishing was important I would have liked a little more time to sit with Ernest and Molly in their relationship. Although, more time might have undercut the ambiguity of Ernest's real feelings, so what do I know.
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Gaius Marius posted:Marty has no idea what a podcast is Surely TikTok Star Martin Scorsese has some concept of them.
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The_Rob posted:It’s insane to see people act like the ending was like excusing what happened or that it was them congratulating themselves or whatever and not that it was supposed to be this deeply cynical ending where the FBI funded radio show with a cigarette sponsor gets to have the final say on what happened to these real people. Like that was very clearly the point. It's cynical but it's also kind of earnest - Scorsese does come on stage as part of that spectacle and make what seems to be a genuine, understated comment about how sad the whole affair is. He's part of the same tradition of outsiders telling this story even if he's trying to do a better job at it.
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I think that was explicitly supposed to be funny, especially with the punchline of "Not if it wouldn't work"
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The last time I remember a framing piece like this is in Black KKKlansman actually. Are there any other films that do that sort of thing?
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muscles like this! posted:I think that was explicitly supposed to be funny, especially with the punchline of "Not if it wouldn't work" Yeah the delivery was definitely comedic, it was just awkward because he very quickly realized nobody else was laughing *quite* that hard.
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Gonna be seeing this one tonight cause it actually looks like I might get value out of a ticket for going to the theater again and hopefully see something of some substance and merit. First movie I've seen in theaters in god knows how long. Realistically could not say, I've been to the movies maybe 4-5 times in the last 20 years I feel like. It was probably Pacific Rim though, so like a solid decade ago.
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You should be in the theatre 4-5 times a week minimum
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That movie definitely left way more of an impression on me than the Irishman I can say that much. Lily Gladstone stood out among titans too and was possibly the best part of the movie. I was thinking like 30 minutes into the movie I had to look up who this actress was that played Mollie.
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I’m very happy Gladstone is getting recognition because I’ve been a fan since she was a major stand out in Certain Women, which also has a very impressive cast to be highlight of.
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Froghammer posted:He's constantly pursing out is lower lip in a way that kind of makes him look like a chimpanzee. The character's just kind of an idiot. Scorsese's dedication to his leading men has its downsides yeah. If it weren't for technology it wouldn't have been possible with The Irishman at all even. Still though results are results, it was just weird for me when I put together De Niros age and the radio show reference that Hale lived like another 30-40 years after sentencing.
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Gladstone is phenomenal in this. Hope she wins best actress, cause god drat. Subtle as hell and really sells a quiet confidence perfectly. I hadn't looked up anything about the actual events, so the ending was a borderline relief for me - really felt they were going to get away with it completely. The FBI agents would lose in court or just decide to high five King for a good well done. That they actually saw prison time was a legit surprise, and brief catharsis after three hours of dread watching them sloppily annihilate these people. Granted, they still did annihilate a lot of people, and both got pardons cause of course they loving did, but prison for a couple decades isn't nothing at least. A very sad but striking flick. The crowd in the theater I saw was a lot of old people, and BOY were they moaning and tutting during the movie. Particularly by the end, anytime someone said something horribly racist or inhumane there just this collective groan in disapproval that was kind of amazing. Like they fed off each other's energy so by the end every other line just saw this chorus of ten or so old ladies moaning and tsking. My own personal audience groantrack.
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what was the deal with henry and mollie not having access to their money because not being able bodied or whatever?
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Famethrowa posted:right? It started with a group of colonial capitalists exploiting the Osage and ended with them even more powerful after shedding a few patsies. yeah that scene blew me away. just pulling the curtains away for a moment to show who the real villains are and how all the characters are just waaaaaay out their league
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babypolis posted:what was the deal with henry and mollie not having access to their money because not being able bodied or whatever? https://www.history.com/news/osage-murders-reign-terror-husbands-guardians 
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Jesus christ this whole thing was just a carnaval of horros huh
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CatstropheWaitress posted:Gladstone is phenomenal in this. Hope she wins best actress, cause god drat. Subtle as hell and really sells a quiet confidence perfectly.
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Lmao, god I wish I could be the Social Media manager of a company. They meant spanking Leo but goddamn does it not come off like that.
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Scones are Good posted:I’m very happy Gladstone is getting recognition because I’ve been a fan since she was a major stand out in Certain Women, which also has a very impressive cast to be highlight of. Agreed. I saw it last night at a theater with the worlds shittiest old speakers which was a bummer. I don’t think I’ve left a movie in such a brutalized haze since… 12 Years a Slave? And somehow that had a more feel-good ending than this did, yeesh. Anyway, a lot of positive feelings about this movie but specifically want to say that I *loved* the tribute to Jack Fisk’s work on Days of Heaven with Hale’s house (particularly the scene where it’s ringed with fire). In fact there’s some faint rhyme there in terms of marrying people for their money and then waiting for them to die Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Nov 18, 2023 |
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Gaius Marius posted:Lmao, god I wish I could be the Social Media manager of a company. They meant spanking Leo but goddamn does it not come off like that. You already know they had several meetings on what they could and couldn’t post. Companies doing weird twitter pastiche is so over especially now that the website is just a hotbed of nazis
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Finally watched this and loved it. Not caught up with the thread yet though and the one thing I think about it, even if all the actors were great, the choices are still odd. I heard De Caprio and Plemmons switched roles, and although it’s claimed it was because the story changed directions, it does feel like De Caprio just decided he wanted to be the lead. Just felt miscast to have a 50 year old playing a young man towards the start when he’d be much better suited as the FBI agent, and Plemmons has the perfect look and ability to play the type of character where you can’t tell if they are just kind of dim or evil. Same with De Niro, 80 years old playing a 45 year old. Again as great as the performances were, they are both just too famous as to be distracting.
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The story did change directions, it was originally a procedural focusing on the BI agent that Plemmons ended up playing. Leo was always going to be the lead. Totally agree that the original casting better fits the characters though.
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Plemmons has done so well playing dopey, daydreaming what that could have been like in this movie
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Finally saw this, a few assorted thoughts Leo does a phenomenal job displaying someone who doesn't understand things, solely by having no lights in his eyes. Don't know how to describe it. Great work There's a weird juxtaposition of side characters played by no name actors,.character actors I recognize from elsewhere, and then famous actors in bit parts. These parts all line up with the types of characters they play - outlaws, townspeople, and finally, outside elites And finally, the end really worked for me. The white man took the osages lives, took their wealth, and then even took their story, until there was next to nothing left for the Osage to have of their own. Thankfully the final shot showed they aren't gone entirely. Edit: the filming of the radio play itself was great. Having the closeups of dozens of different sound effects for the radio listener, showing that this story truly was just entertainment to them trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jan 13, 2024 |
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DeNiro felt like he was playing the lead in a Mr. Burns biopic.
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Just rewatched this. It’s honestly fantastic you guys. The line “get yer pencils” is sooooo cathartic.
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They're putting it back in the local, gonna go back for a fourth viewing here soon.
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I've never seen Kundun. Is Kundun good? I saw The Last Temptation of Christ earlier this year and really didn't like it (and was shocked that it was ever considered controversial). I also saw After Hours this year... awesome Scorsese movie if people haven't seen. It has a kinship with Eyes Wide Shut.
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