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Vegetable posted:Like 80% of the good original poo poo on youtube simply wouldn’t exist if youtube wasn’t trying to deepthroat you with ads. the money has to come from somewhere It's weird though because people who block ads aren't very high-value targets for advertisers. In some ways ad-blocking is a benefit to the advertisers because people who block ads are generally less likely to find ads compelling enough to click through and convert, which allows the advertisers to reach a higher-value audience for lower costs (they're paying for fewer impressions and those impressions are more likely to purchase). The only entity that's hurt by ad blocking is the ad provider itself, Google. By banning ad blockers, they get to charge advertisers for a bunch of extra low-value impressions that are unlikely to convert. This doesn't affect the pay that goes to content providers, it just shaves some of Google's margins off. I guess it hurts massive corporations with marketing budgets so large that putting the biggest possible numbers on paper becomes more important than actual RoI too. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Oct 15, 2023 |
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END CHEMTRAILS NOW posted:You know you look like an advert, Flubber Nuts? Like an overgrown brochure. Anyone ever tell you that? this is the worst insult to have ever been levelled against me. i was just trying to do a joke and now everyones really mad and yelling at me. i think im going to log off for a bit (ten minutes)  im sorry everyone i take it all back. ill be watching the commercial channel in my home made commercial dome. goodbye.
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deep dish peat moss posted:It's weird though because people who block ads aren't very high-value targets for advertisers. In some ways ad-blocking is a benefit to the advertisers because people who block ads are generally less likely to find ads compelling enough to click through and convert, which allows the advertisers to reach a higher-value audience for lower costs (they're paying for fewer impressions and those impressions are more likely to purchase).
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Oh lmao, I didn't realize Youtube does weird MLM gymnastics to pass ad view metrics on to creators who aren't in control of them. On a sensible platform the creators would get paid for views of their content or licensing, not ad impressions.
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Oct 15, 2023 03:12
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can you believe that flubber nuts guy? jesus. well he’s gone now, so we can go back to talking about our favorite ads.
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mines the folgers one where the siblings gently caress
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professional crime documentary people (not some kid with Youtube Voice)got demonetized for talking about crime and had to edit every time they said 'blood' to say 'red' instead lol
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R.L. Stine posted:professional crime documentary people (not some kid with Youtube Voice)got demonetized for talking about crime and had to edit every time they said 'blood' to say 'red' instead lol If you send a creator $10 on Patreon or whatever you've essentially paid them the same amount that Youtube would pay them if you viewed ~220 12+ second ads on their videos
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anyone can copyright strike your account or if they don't like you and you can't do anything about it lol. people literally have to seek youtube employees out on linkedin to get their stuff fixed. garbage platform. love the content tho
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deep dish peat moss posted:If you send a creator $10 on Patreon or whatever you've essentially paid them the same amount that Youtube would pay them if you viewed ~220 12+ second ads on their videos that's true i would actually prefer most creators put the good stuff on patreon
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In my dystopian future novel the primary source of income will be getting paid to sit in a box and watch ads for 8+ hours daily
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I think that a lot of the issues with Youtube derive from a mish-mash of half-measures and capitalism poisoning. Creators have to use sponsors or patreon in order to fund their efforts particularly when they want to do more than simply blather into a camera in a dark room. Youtube has to rely on ad revenue and their (the advertisers) demands are both mercurial and narrow hence why they have to be puritanical and profit-seeking. When they started off I suspect that profit was secondary to creators and that idealism carried on until the early 2010's That said. Show me the alternative where people can upload a video about themselves fixing a HGX-6458 Samsung washing machine. Show me where some young Indian guy can produce a barely audible video with the buzz of fans in the background where he describes the setup and uses of the Chinese Milk-V CPU/TPU module. Show me where I can watch episodes of Computer Chronicles from 1987. There's nowhere else. I think it's easy to be clever, jaded and snarky but Youtube is loving amazing and I think it's worthy of support despite it being part of a lovely fuckhole corporation Google.
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Vegetable posted:Like 80% of the good original poo poo on youtube simply wouldn’t exist if youtube wasn’t trying to deepthroat you with ads. the money has to come from somewhere Most of the people I give a poo poo about that upload on YouTube aren't floated by YouTube itself anymore because of how unstable it all is. Between seemingly arbitrary shifts in rules, algorithms and the whims of content claim bots that'll try and claim literal static, you're going to get hosed by something and if you get hosed one too many times, you've got no real recourse. Disputing content id claims is notoriously difficult and ultimately useless because you can file spurious claims endlessly with no consequences, unlike having them filed against you. They do take YouTube money afaik, but the lion's share of their budget comes from stuff like Patreon, direct sponsorships, and their own merch. The ones I follow make no secret about it, nor their disgust with the entire apparatus. Moreover, Google is making more selling my data than what I'm "robbing" them of by blocking ads, sorry. As far as I'm concerned, they have their pound of flesh, and are making a mistake by loving with the one thing that actually gets people motivated to take action: their conveniences.
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If you skip or block the ads, it's the same as stealing
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Thesaurus posted:If you skip or block the ads, it's the same as stealing I don't agree with that either
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Thesaurus posted:If you skip or block the ads, it's the same as stealing 
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Vegetable posted:I wasn’t kidding about government subsidies for youtube premium. it would be totally justifiable if congress decided to pony up for this There should just be public utilities for the main internet services everyone wants to use but nobody likes seeing monetized since it inherently makes those services worse. People need a place to yell online about the news. They need a place to share pictures. They need a place to share videos. They need a place to post or share links to stuff people want to see or talk about. Build two less missiles a year and spend the money on hosting all the basic poo poo we wanna gonna do online apparently.
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deep dish peat moss posted:In my dystopian future novel the primary source of income will be getting paid to sit in a box and watch ads for 8+ hours daily They did a Black Mirror of that
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I've been watching more YouTube than Netflix so I dropped Netflix and bought a premium subscription like 8 months ago. Their music app is redundant to what i already have but it seems fine. Sorry 😐.
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R.L. Stine posted:anyone can copyright strike your account or if they don't like you and you can't do anything about it lol. people literally have to seek youtube employees out on linkedin to get their stuff fixed. garbage platform. love the content tho this stuff is frustrating for creators but platforms like youtube can’t do anything about it. it’s copyright law  someone could be issuing takedown notices against your post and jeff would have to do the same as youtube.
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Grey Cat posted:I'm going to keep closing it and watching videos without ads.
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I'm just going to keep using my free uBlock Origin which isn't getting these notices until it either can't be made to work anymore or Google shuts Youtube down ( if you believe Google will actually do that).
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I'd rather continue watching Salvia Erik do hilarious NordVPN ads than any of that other poo poo Youtube would throw at me.
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Rubberduke posted:I'd rather continue watching Salvia Erik do hilarious NordVPN ads than any of that other poo poo Youtube would throw at me. I got sick of them so I block those too. I might not have bothered with sponsor block had there been more than like 10 sponsors. Raycon, Hello Fresh, Squarespace, Raid Shadow Legends, Nord VPN, Surf Shark, Skillshare, I'm sure I'm missing some but you get the point.
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Thesaurus posted:If you skip or block the ads, it's the same as stealing It's OK I love doing crimes
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Rocketmoney is the funniest one to me
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Tarkus posted:I agree. I think people underestimate the cultural importance and utility of Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBEdZbZlBH8 Behold, YouTube's cultural importance and utility.
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I'll watch ads when the people creating the content get a proper payout from it. Pretending any of the cast revenue YouTube makes goes to creators is naive and/or stupid as gently caress.
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I think I could at least entertain a thought about buying YouTube premium for the gently caress of it, but poo poo like this:R.L. Stine posted:professional crime documentary people (not some kid with Youtube Voice)got demonetized for talking about crime and had to edit every time they said 'blood' to say 'red' instead lol reminds me that YT gets progressively worse. The weird censorship, where people need to use some tumblrish newspeak like "unalived" instead of "died" because they might get hit with an automatic complaint and demonetised is what kills the current YT. And I don't know what is this supposed to affect, hate speech and bigots still get their content in to the recommendations, right wing media treats YT like an all-out battlefield and trolls attack people without any kind of push against. It's just toothless, lame excuses to make advertisers happy. And if only the payouts for creators were actually worth this, but no, most of the youtubers are lucky if they see low double-digits for their work. Also, removing features like community captions or annotations is unforgivable, esp. the subs. I did some localized captions for various videos to make them more approachable to people, and while the tool to prepare those wasn't the best, it was something at least. There are absolutely creators and channels who should be treated better, but otoh I don't have enough patience to jump over new idiotic obstacles to watch some stupid poo poo before sleep, I have four bookshelves of unread books and god knows how much movies to watch instead
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for fucks sake posted:It's OK I love doing crimes
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as a fan of simracing i download so many cars
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deep dish peat moss posted:It's weird though because people who block ads aren't very high-value targets for advertisers. In some ways ad-blocking is a benefit to the advertisers because people who block ads are generally less likely to find ads compelling enough to click through and convert, which allows the advertisers to reach a higher-value audience for lower costs (they're paying for fewer impressions and those impressions are more likely to purchase). I have made a vow to never buy anything or use a service that advertises on Youtube. I do block it on the PC, but my phone won't block it seems, so I have to wait 2x15 seconds to play a 3 minute video. They will pay for wasting my time. They will all pay dearly.
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I keep getting an ad on youtube reminding me of the victims of the hamas terrorist attack.
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Yeah, the Israeli govt. bought a load.
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I just started getting pop ups on chrome that I can't close until a timer runs down. Guess I'm moving to Firefox now. Every now and then, I'll watch YouTube on my phone or somewhere else without ad blockers or sponsorskip. Every video is something like 25 percent ads. It's a joke.
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flubber nuts posted:this is the worst insult to have ever been levelled against me. i was just trying to do a joke and now everyones really mad and yelling at me. i think im going to log off for a bit (ten minutes) I appreciate both of your references, flubber nuts and END CHEMTRAILS NOW 
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Comstar posted:I have made a vow to never buy anything or use a service that advertises on Youtube. Use Firefox as your phone browser and install uBlock there, or use an app like NewPipe that blocks youtube ads.
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numberoneposter posted:i just got youtube premium as i often will put youtube on the TV and fall asleep and let the algorithm take over and wake up at 2:00 am on the couch to who knows what playing You are me
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