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AndrewP posted:wow all it takes is two great linemen to have a historic offense, who knew It was a huge reason we were so successful on 4th and short. We were like the Eagles of back then. Yanda then retired and Stanley got his career-altering injury the following year and we traded Orlando Brown Jr since he wanted to be a LT. On 3rd down we would run plays knowing we'd be short because we could get the first on 4th no matter where it was. You have to have great blocking for that. And three top linemen will give you that.
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AndrewP posted:Greg Roman was trying to zag on an 11-personnel obsessed league and make the greatest running team of all time. It worked for a few years, then the league adjusted and he couldn't adjust back. We'll always have 2019 though i mean, part of the league 'adjusting' was us losing all three running backs before the start of the year and having to trot out levon bell and devonta freeman
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Roman believed in Lamar the passer, he's just under replacement level at pass game design. Add that to a year in year out awful WR corp and you get what they got. Which was still a pretty good offense. What Roman can get out of the line, run game, and a mobile QB make him worthy of an OC spot somewhere in the NFL. His pass concepts were just hilariously bad lol. Just some dire stuff
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maruhkati posted:Gonna take the opportunity to shout out Chad Pennington. Not the best, not the worst.
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Pennington was a solid QB but messed up his rotator cuff in 2004 and ended up being a career altering injury. Not the greatest ever but nowhere near like "Johnny Football" or any of the other famous big busts
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Wasn't he super promising before he hosed up his shoulder edit beaten by seconds
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Pennington and the Dolphins winning the AFC East after the Jets jettisoned him for Favre is one of my favorite little NFL storylines ever
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I wonder how that year would have finished if Favre hadn't torn his bicep. The Jets were like 8-3 before that
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a neat cape posted:I wonder how that year would have finished if Favre hadn't torn his bicep. The Jets were like 8-3 before that And that same year, the Giants were 11-1 before Plaxico shot himself in the leg.
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kiimo posted:Wasn't he super promising before he hosed up his shoulder He had a league average arm at best before the injury. He was still good enough to overcome the injury for a while. Moss said he threw the most catchable ball he ever caught.
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AndrewP posted:Steelers have been amazing at drafting WRs over the last 15 years or so, but the Vikings probably have the most hits lately. Steelers and OLBs is a pretty good too going back to Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd
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Pennington’s 2002 season where he took over for Vinny and shithoused the Peyton Manning Colts in the playoffs is still like the most efficient QB season in Jets history. Then he was injured and injured again and again and then it was over.
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The shoulder injury really hurt him, we used to joke a lot about how much of a noodle arm he was
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Diva Cupcake posted:Pennington’s 2002 season where he took over for Vinny and shithoused the Peyton Manning Colts in the playoffs is still like the most efficient QB season in Jets history. Mean runner too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkLDFa4oNf4
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Didn't pennington poo poo house the lDt chargers in the playoffs that year?
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BlindSite posted:Didn't pennington poo poo house the lDt chargers in the playoffs that year? They won 20-17 in overtime because Kaeding missed a field goal
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a neat cape posted:They won 20-17 in overtime because Kaeding missed a field goal Was that the year Kaeding was perfect or near perfect all season and then Marty played for the field goal? Which, yeah don't do that but wasn't it like a 42 yarder or something, not something particularly long.
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a neat cape posted:They won 20-17 in overtime because Kaeding missed a field goal seems like a good reason to fire your awful head coach
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Grittybeard posted:Was that the year Kaeding was perfect or near perfect all season and then Marty played for the field goal? Which, yeah don't do that but wasn't it like a 42 yarder or something, not something particularly long. That was 2009, another playoff loss to the Jets where he honked 3 short field goals in a 17-14 loss after having been arguably the best kicker in the NFL that year. 2004 was his rookie year and Marty put him in a bad position in the rain, but still.
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Borsche69 posted:seems like a good reason to fire your awful head coach They.... didn't? Marty coached two more years
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coldtaxi posted:Mean runner too. i can't believe the bills had these uniforms for so long. they're god awful
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK-H-o0JJmA Kurt Warner backs up his statements that the Ravens offense is still bad, just benefiting from great play by Lamar. Says we still have a lot of the same spacing issues and what have you He'll certainly seem right if we lay an egg against the Cardinals or if the offense goes back to what it was before this game in general. I don't see why people are so mad at him for pointing this out. Kawalimus fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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Kawalimus posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK-H-o0JJmA I kinda dont feel like re-watching the Lions game in detail for SOME REASON, which I normally do, but it seemed like it was mostly the Lions just... not... covering WRs.
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Hizawk posted:I kinda dont feel like re-watching the Lions game in detail for SOME REASON, which I normally do, but it seemed like it was mostly the Lions just... not... covering WRs. What he says is Lamar was hitting his 4th and 5th reads which were doable because of the pass protection he was getting among other things. And of course Lamar's excellent improvisations. But the pass concepts were bad and not getting anyone open. Based on what I saw in the criticism it seems like if the Lions had been able to generate pass rush the game would have gone a lot differently.
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Kawalimus posted:I don't see why people are so mad at him for pointing this out. because people are soft babies that only want to hear good things about their teams
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coldtaxi posted:Mean runner too. One of the most glorious runs you’ll ever see
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fartknocker posted:One of the most glorious runs you’ll ever see That dead leg worked out pretty damned well.
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Mystic Stylez posted:because people are soft babies that only want to hear good things about their teams most of hte comments of that specific vid seem to be 'for sure you're right, but these plays feel cherry picked'. bad spacing was one of the hallmarks of the roman offense so i'm sure its a sore spot for the film junkies, cause as bad as the spacing gets on some of those plays, its still night and day between this offense and roman's pass concepts. a theory i saw floating around was that they let andrews freelance a lot, which is why on a lot of the plays warner pointed out, andrews is one of the guys (or the guy) with bad spacing, and also the play where he's going inside while jackson threw outside.
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I think that's right. The other guy frequently involved in Warner's examples of poor spacing and sloppiness is Justice Hill, who is sort of famously sloppy. There are issues with the offense that need to be cleaned up but they appear to be mostly execution, not scheme. Warner's assessment just doesn't jive with the results or the analytics on percentage of open receivers.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I think that's right. The other guy frequently involved in Warner's examples of poor spacing and sloppiness is Justice Hill, who is sort of famously sloppy. There are issues with the offense that need to be cleaned up but they appear to be mostly execution, not scheme. Warner's assessment just doesn't jive with the results or the analytics on percentage of open receivers. the bad spacing in roman's scheme seemed almost by design. it was doggedly consistent. i mean, you can probably go back this season and find more examples of bad spacing and try to pin that on monken, but also i think you can also go back and find way more really good pass concepts when compared to something like roman's offense. there's a lot more right in the passing game than there is wrong, and especially when compared to what was seen from greg roman. the biggest thing is just consistency, so give the ravens like 2 more games i guess. fumbles and drops were another execution part of all of this so if that all goes away, i'll take what we have.
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I wonder how much continuity there was between Roman and Monken’s playbook. There are definitely plays that are instantly recognizable as stuff Roman did - that fake sweep to Andrews being an obvious example of something they obviously liked from the last few years and wanted to keep.
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The Ravens aren't choking away fourth quarter leads or fumbling the ball fifty times a game anymore so they're already improving over the early season.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Roman believed in Lamar the passer, he's just under replacement level at pass game design. Add that to a year in year out awful WR corp and you get what they got. Which was still a pretty good offense. What Roman can get out of the line, run game, and a mobile QB make him worthy of an OC spot somewhere in the NFL. I agree the Bengals should absolutely hire Greg Roman
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