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McGann
May 19, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!

Khanstant posted:

It's partially just overexposure, I liked many of the comics as a kid, more a Disney thing than a constitutional aversion to superpowers. Mentally I think I'm filing it away with Andor as shows that sound better than average and the kind of thing of interest to me -- but for a fair shot, to only watch if I'm in a mood amenable to the IP that it is part of. Plus Lokis of all sorts are usually a fun time.

If you enjoy Who and enjoy the character Loki (as an antihero) - it's a great show. You don't need to keep up with any other shows/movies continuity wise except knowing the broad strokes - which it sounds like you've got down easily.

I'll echo Jerusalem - first season of Loki is VERY good. Definitely watch that. The second season has not hit those levels of consistency of quality, or just quality peak in general but it does appear to be improving. I'm a bit behind and Jeru said the last ep pulls some big meta changes/recontextualizes the season so I suspect the quality is on the upswing. Let's hope it finishes proper.

The only thing I'd point out is that Jonathan Majors is involved heavily in Loki's plot, and the filming/etc was done before the shitstorm hit the fan regarding him/marvel potentially recasting or re-directing to Doom as their next big bad. But that'd be a problem for Season 3, anyway.


BF Chat

Anyone listening to the new 8th Doctor Adventures? I thought McGann sounded old in the Doom's Day portions, but it continues here. Thought he just had a cold but perhaps McGann has lost the ability to do that 'younger, bright eyed' 8th Doctor? It seems to be closer to that than his time war era character, anyway, based upon the box art and general demeanor.

It's good, the first story is the only one I have completed. Will likely finish up the 2nd one The Great Cyber War or whatever its called today. Love me some cybermen but bummed they aren't the Tomb model. Just glad to have 8th DA back!

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McGann
May 19, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!


Well hell, Whizz Kid is back as the only one reprisingu? But we've got everyone else playing different parts and Sly DOESN'T PLAY THE SPOONS when he's meant to be a part of the circus???

I'm enough of a Who fan and musical fan that I'm interested. But my "oh no this could be bad" flags are all raised in the back of my head.

If BF was doing this, I'd be on board immediately since they've done the odd pseudo musical and always play it with the correct level of seriousness.

McGann
May 19, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!

Warthur posted:

They have a similar (but several notches tamer) version of the same thing in The Five Doctors, mind.

Which is what I assumed - Moffat grew up watching this version, and so the version we got was a character with their motivations /behavior dictated by game of temporal telephone.

McGann
May 19, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!

Senor Tron posted:

Sensible people watching TOS or TNG recognise that certain things like the complete lack of gay people in the future is a product of when the show was made, and totally recognise that if it was made now they would be there.

Conservatives take it literally and go "gently caress yeah look at this show recognising that 1960s norms are so eternal they'll be in place even centuries from now"

Let me just say as an outside observer, this did look a lot like people misread the intent of the original post. Which was better phrased above by Senator Tron.

BF CHAT

OODUNIT - quite fun. I still don't quite understand the context of the earth empire Torchwood and feel I may have missed some stories(I have listened to archive and a couple others but it's vague memory), but I like the Zachary Cross character. And I really always enjoy having a good Ood story - and James Goss is never a miss for me, so I definitely recommend it.

Time to begin planning our holiday re listens. Besides the obvious Chimes, what others make your yearly list?

I'm gonna include Who eps and BF since otherwise our lists are very boring.

Chimes, fairytale for zaltsburg, blood on Santa's claw, the dream crab episode, maybe the snowmen for kicks.

I gotta do a little digging and rememeber some more

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Davros1 posted:

Drop Blood on Santa's Claw and replace it with The One Doctor.

The Eighth Doctor & Lucie audio "Relative Dimensions" is Christmas themed

CobiWann posted:

If you want depressing to kinda cheerful, Death in Blackpool + Relative Dimensions.

And even though it's not a Christmas story, if you want madcap cheer, The One Doctor.

Hm, I don't remember the Blood on Santa's Claw anthology but I did see it was Christmas related. Maybe I have already listened, may have to try it anyway.

But The One Doctor is a great pick. It's one of my regular comfort "go-to's" (Kingmaker is #1 I think). My favorite part of that one may be the robots building the Ikea stuff. That still gets me every listen.

My brain isn't working quite well enough yet today but I'm digging through to find any other christmas related stuff.

McGann
May 19, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!

Open Source Idiom posted:

Yeah, this was quite good.

They've yet to actively define what Empire era Torchwood's role is, but my guess is that they're an officially sanctioned, reputable branch of the Imperial Court, and that they seem to divide their duties between archival work and being the areligious, less racist Inquisitors from 40K. Their role in this story seems to be specifically about maintaining the ongoing function on the Empire's slave classes.

I thought it was interesting that official investigations are usually two person groups, and always include a slave.

Good point, that checks out. I kind of like the idea of an official Torchwood, would love to see the timeline but don't really look forward to them boxing themselves in. I'm tempted to do a little digging to find other stories relating, besides the couple I own. The fact that it's the Torchwood range makes me believe the overall quality is probably going to be more consistent, so I feel better safer grabbing any random audio.

Who would everyone say is their favorite big finish writer? I'm definitely going to choose James Goss.

Author is actually why I chose Blood on Satan's Claw without remembering much - it's by Nev Fountain, who also did Kingmaker.

I should have realized when noticing he is using an alias for this box set that it probably wasn't the same quality as king maker

Edit also lol I almost listed spare parts but I couldn't remember 100% if it was taking place during the holiday season. Now it all floods back.

poo poo, I'm adding it to my list. Can't have a merry Christmas without experiencing the a bit of body horror amirite??

McGann fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Nov 12, 2023

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Fil5000 posted:

Christmas wouldn't be christmas.

Edit: to the question of favourite Big Finish writer, he has a rough start with Blood Tide and Flip Flop but Jonathan Morris gets some serious points from me for Cobwebs and The Eternal Summer. And I know he's not written anything for them for an age but it's got to be Shearman hasn't it? The closest thing he has to a miss is that one of his story shares a CD with a bloody awful Joseph Lidster miseryporn story.

Open Source Idiom posted:

Goss and Fountain both write good stuff. Goss in particular has an absurdly high hit rate for how much he writes. David O'Mahoney is excellent, best writer no-one knows about. Up there with Shearman, if a different stripe.

Jonathan Clements and Marc Platt are very good. Eddie Robson too. John Dorney is good, though less so that the others IMO. Simon Guerrier is good too.

With the provisio that most of these people wrote their best work either under Gary Russell or in the side ranges.

It's just a gag, it'll make more sense when the set is complete.

Good call - I forgot about Shearman entirely. I never connected the fact that he wrote Chimes, Jubilee AND Holy Terror - I only really remember the Jubilee/Dalek connection. I actually believed (for some reason) he was the writer of Live 34 as well, but that appears to be wrong.

Eddie Robson may actually be tied for #1 now that I think about it. His stories are instant buys for me, and I've mentioned many times how much I adore the Unbound combo hit of Sympathy for the Devil/Masters of War. I just gave those two another re-listen a couple weeks ago, actually.


...but speaking of Live 34 - it appears the author(s) (James Parsons/Andrew Stirling-Brown) have only really contributed to BF a few times. The I, Davros series (great), the aforementioned Live 34(great), a Bennie audiobook (IDK), and a couple Six stories (I don't remember them).

I know I've listened to their Six output, Rossiter (the character) and Evelyn are a fun pairing, but I don't really remember this one:

quote:

1.1 The Headless Ones by James Parsons and Andrew Stirling-Brown
When a distress call from an unknown source threatens to rip the TARDIS from the vortex, the Doctor and Peri arrive in nineteenth-century Africa hoping to find the cause of the disturbance. Instead, they meet a British expedition searching for a long lost tribe: the B’lemyae... better known to the locals as the Headless Ones.

I am tempted to dig it out since I know I have it somewhere, just to see how well they handled this particular subject...which I'd expect most authors to gently caress up royally, but based on the subtext work in the previous stories I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on that.

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Open Source Idiom posted:

Those are Paul Sutton, I believe. And I think Clements wrote Sympathy For The Devil.

The Headless Ones is exactly what you'd expect, and also slow.

That explains why Masters of War is the superior story of the two. I just assumed they were both him I guess.

Huh. You're right about Sutton, though - the problem is the Big Finish website erroneously credits some stories to authors who have no involvement (and then there's the matter of multiple authors/box sets...).

So, I began wondering if Parsons/Stirling-Brown was some sort of pseudonym as I can't find much on the web. But it appears Parsons has some other books to his credit, alone. So i have no idea. I just wanted to share my temporary confusion as I tried to fact check myself earlier.

Well hell, anybody got recommendations for Clements? Curious to hear another one with the fresh context that he wrote one of my favorite stories (it's probably down to Warner/Gatiss - as I said, the second outing "Masters of War" is far superior a story - but how much of that is due to it being a sequel with more runtime allotted/etc/being early days Unbound). I do enjoy the UNIT series and he did Snake Head, I was not a big fan of his Klein story contribution but I may also be mixing it up with some of the other lesser Klein stories - the synopsis didn't jar any memories unfortunately. Also enjoyed the Key2Time arc but again, not sure that was his particular story or just overall..

So, yea - suggestions. I just finished a re-listen of Goodbye Piccadilly and have some upcoming drive time. Hulp!

McGann
May 19, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!

Barry Foster posted:

I think I would've really hated Nardole on his own (I have very conflicted feelings about Matt Lucas in general) but he has really good chemistry with Bill and that really makes his character work

I agree. He can be very trying solo, but that pairing worked perfectly. I loved Nardole in that season.

Back to my regular BF postings:

The One Doctor Continues to be awesome, gave it another listen as I had a couple hours of drive time yesterday. I have never listened past the end of the story, I just noticed there was 7 minutes of "dead space" at the end...and this time listened through.

"And a merry christmas to all of you at home" made me smile in the car, it was just so perfect. And then Mentos at the end had me dying. Thankfully right as I pulled into my drive.

YEARS I've listened to this story, and never gotten to that post-script part. Early/mid BF was such a blast.

edit: Ah, hell. Today's listen has been made for me - a new release. The War Master meets Bilis Manger? Hell. Yes. And who wrote that particular part of the story? James Goss. ALL ABOARD!!

Khanstant posted:

The thing I hated about Clara's ending was they implied she could always come back for more adventures but never has.


You'd think we would at least get some sort of children in need/youtube promo/BF thing with her+Me, but the actresses probably outran BF/BBC's budget a while ago.

McGann fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Nov 14, 2023

McGann
May 19, 2003

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McGann posted:



edit: Ah, hell. Today's listen has been made for me - a new release. The War Master meets Bilis Manger? Hell. Yes. And who wrote that particular part of the story? James Goss. ALL ABOARD!!



To follow up, I finished the first story. And it ends in the most mastery way possible and I love it.

Curious how they work Professor Yana into this, based on the cover art.

McGann
May 19, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!

Here's a fun BF story coming this month:

https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/doctor-who-the-box-of-terrors-2855

Looks like we're getting 3 and 4 ...and two Sarah Janes.

Unfortunately we're not getting Treloar/Baker, or treloar/Culshaw...but instead entirely narrated by Culshaw.

I've never heard him do a 3 before, but his 4 is excellent, so should be fun at the least.

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Sydney Bottocks posted:

Certainly has worked out well for Marvel and Star Wars! :v:

So, what's going to be the Doctor Who version of Andor?

I vote for a "lead up to the time war" series with Sir Derek Jacobi for that prestige hour of television. I'm also listening to a War Master audio presently so it may color my perception, but...I have a hard time imagining a better 'hook' for a "prestige doctor who" show.

It's entirely a joke on my part but I'm curious what others can come up with.

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Rochallor posted:


Now if you want Andor's influence on DW to be More Good Writers and Good Actors and Good Music and Also There's More of It, I'm in total agreement.



All I really meant was a prestige level "serious and could run on HBO" style filming/show. Absolutely no limits on the actual premise, they just have to actually try to say something and do it with style.

I can fully get behind the Paul McGann with Jacobi showing up. The audios were fun, lets do it with higher quality VFX and get really loving weird with this time war stuff. Though as mentioned, a Skaro series could be fun - but I fear it would suffer from the same end as the BSG spin off Caprica (too far removed and not good enough to stand on its own).

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

I think it’s extremely silly to get into an elevator with a cosplayer and suddenly worry whether or not they’re a literal fascist, but that’s just me.


Let me first say, I am not attacking you here - I have this same initial reaction and understand why you would.

While I agree on principle that it's silly and ridiculous and I hate that we're here...but given LividLiquid's statement that they were early in transition, and the current state of American (I assume based on this story, but we're leeching our poison out into the world at an alarming rate here too..) politics made TOTAL sense to me. Any person in transition is going to be HYPER AWARE of any potential threats - and fascist sympathizers are a huge threat lately, unfortunately. So any potential dog whistle is just a bomb that may or may not be armed, basically.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm a straight white male from the midwestern USA who only tries his best, lol, but it's NOT a perspective I have to draw upon (fortunately, but unfortunate I have to try to see things from this perspective as well).

It's not that anyone is saying "people cosplaying as bad guys are bad" but that there are some extreme examples out there and those particular examples are SO HORRIBLE and potentially DANGEROUS that it has colored everything it touches.



But the most important point here is that ya'll have reminded me I never finished Andor, due to getting distracted. I finished the first mission Arc and need to pick it up and across the finish line...but I also don't want to run out of Andor lol.

McGann
May 19, 2003

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LividLiquid posted:

Is Tubi one of the free ones?

Yep that and Pluto are the big ones afaik


RIP Murray, the Bilis Manger/War Master combo is fantastic and will definitely get a re-listen before long. Onwards to the final chapter where we get some Professor Yana.

McGann
May 19, 2003

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The_Doctor posted:

It always seems to be the Android Invasion or Revenge of the Cybermen whenever I look at the Pluto channel.

This is the downside, it always plays the same drat episodes the same time every day it seems. I believe Plex does the same.

McGann
May 19, 2003

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LividLiquid posted:

So do they only have the rights to a handful of them? Why would they repeat every day?

No clue - supposedly, they licensed about 200 episodes. But googling around some reddit threads finds the same experience as we have had - the same ones repeating ad nauseum.

https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/pluto-tv-doctor-who-classic-uk-antiques-roadshow-1203238753/

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Urdnot Fire posted:

It’s funny to hear McCoy as a rarity, because Paradise Towers is the serial I’ve seen on there most often.

I think we're all tending to check it (and thus remember it) around the same time of day, so we all think our slice is the whole pie.

Anyway, It'd be funny if they do in fact have 200 eps in rotation, they're just running through them so fast (and we're checking so anecdotally/haphazardly) we don't even notice.


Y'know, I don't think I have ever watched Paradise Towers in its entirety. May need to rectify that this week, as the holidays bring me some needed free time (Beyond the usual BF binging during work).

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Timby posted:

Really cool to see Julian Bleach as Davros pre-mutation.

That was pretty fun. The meta humor was strong with this one, and that's just how I like my Children in Need Doctor Who sketches. THUMBS UP...but gimme Gatwa.

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Confusedslight posted:

Can't believe we're so close to new doctor who! Trying to think of a few episodes to watch this week before hand and so far my list is

Runaway bride
Partners in crime
Turn left
Journeys end
The day of the doctor

Also I listened to the first I davros and like everybody here said it is pretty good!

Oh wow, we are a week out!

And for the first time in, no lie, a decade I will be off work for the holidays - with no actual plans the day(s) off. It's time to start nerding out - great call.

I'm definitely going to do Partners in crime, turn left, day of the doctor.. And voyage of the damned

I know it's not the highest regarded ep(or involving Donna - but neither does Dotd) , but some reason it sticks out of the nostalgic 10 episode to me

Edit maybe it was minogue making me enjoy it. She is in a French maid outfit the entire time iirc

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Open Source Idiom posted:

There's Compassion and Anji from the books, and Sally and Aristedes at BF. The latter two suffer from being terminally boring, unfortunately. Oh and Amy/Abby, who does her initial three stories then fucks off, job done.


Amy was a lot of fun, I should give the Key2time series a relisten. Five was such a perfect pairing for that one, I think that's part of why it worked so well.

Wasn't Raine also trying to do something on her own? Tbh I'm only remembering her from Dominion (which she was used without the authors permission irrc?) but I feel like might be be something tacked on later - something about her dad.

LividLiquid posted:


I respect that it didn't bother you, but I found it to be yet another example of a troublesome and oft-repeated writing device of a man having to violate a woman to save her.


It's a very good thing that they got the opportunity to undo it.

Wow. Thank you for pointing this out, I have never made the connection before but it makes perfect sense now that you've made the point. I really do appreciate your input in this thread, fwiw

Edit just to be clear, I do see the other reading, but the fact that this is a potential takeaway, makes me view it in new light as well.

McGann fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Dec 4, 2023

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Warthur posted:



He realises, just before he screams himself awake, that he has become John Nathan-Turner.

Beautiful. My first out loud laugh of the morning and no way in hell i can explain it to anyone here.

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Sydney Bottocks posted:

That reminds me, how'd Doom's Day do? :v:

I guess not well based on this and nothing else.. But I did listen to the audio portion and it was pretty fun. Shame it got lost in the shuffle, as the doctor and companion cameo is right up this threads alley ❤️

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Dabir posted:

Google turning into unusable dogshit in the year or two since I switched to duckduckgo isn't a surprise, people talk about it all the time

When I attempted to do this the first time, I ran through about 8 "find the motorcycle" things until I finally said screw it and went to another browser. Ridiculous.

The game is cute, though I got bored after the first letter. Anything to report at the end, or has anyone finished?

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Covok posted:

Under the chance this isn't a bit, Big Finish is a british audio-drama company

If you want to see other stuff they make, here is their website: https://www.bigfinish.com/

Heh, if you haven't noticed yet - welcome home, friend!

Most of the Big Finish chat appears between episodes, but you should find plenty of it here.

I wanted to mention but forgot - on a bf note. The latest eighth doctor release is a Christmas theme has Charley, and of course makes a plumb pudding joke

Speaking of, time to do my yearly listen of Chimes this weekend woo!

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Open Source Idiom posted:

Yeah that set's pretty decent, except the finale forgetting how to write for Audacity.

Was I alone in being absolutely annoyed by Audacity's personality? It felt like it was speed running through companion themes that had already been beaten to death years ago, and her constant complaining about "society"[my words, not hers...I think, I zoned out a lot of her monologues) felt like a constant stream of "holier than thou" condescension. Maybe that was the point, but boy would I have enjoyed those stories a bit more with a different companion.

McGann
May 19, 2003

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CobiWann posted:

The Chefs? I didn't know the Chiefs were that banged up to be starting their caterers...

Now I'm expecting some sort of Patrick Mahomes cameo. That would delight at least...7 or 8 people, I imagine!

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Open Source Idiom posted:

Oh nah, I love her. You can feel some of the authors struggling with the idea that she's a socialist, because they don't know how to write someone with a non-liberal ideology, but I like that she's got a strong sense of ethics. Even if you'll occasionally get a writer who thinks that makes her a violent, planet bombing radical or something.

That last point, 100%. I think you may have hit the nail on the head - it's an attempt at socialism, but through a more (usually) centrist lens.

As a socialist myself, i am thinking I bounced hard due to the last story i was really invested in, she took takes the "correct" side but refuses to see any nuance to the situation. It's that type of writing that annoys me.

I'm going to give her another shot with that in mind, lazy writers gonna do lazy writing sometimes.

Open Source Idiom posted:

I'm genuinely so glad this dumb bad show is back. Some of it is absolute poo poo but it's fun as gently caress and made with a camp tone that allows that to be absolutely enjoyable anyway.

Hell yeah. And it's Christmas! CHRISTMAS WOULDN'T BE CHRISTMAS without a special I can simultaneously enjoy immensely and also be slightly embarrassed to have to explain parts of.

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Well, I loved this. I do understand why people might love/hate it, though I think I'm more in the mid-to-high enjoyment level myself. Give it a 7 (8 if I wanna be generous due to the musical number having me grinning the entire time) but I suspect this one will either cool upon repeat viewing, or get more appreciation on later in the series (if things do develop from here).

I'm glad RTD is taking big swings again.

Also, BF chat:

Since I finished Chimes on Christmas Eve, thought I'd give Spare Parts another listen today. Still such a great, atmospheric story (albeit very melancholy). Makes me really wish we'd gotten a good Mondas cyberman story (besides their appearance in Capaldi's finale).

While I was waiting for the download to finish on BF's oddly slow app, I listened to Project Lazarus again. The Forge - what a lame wet fart that ended up being. This one is still the best of the bunch, though, due to 7 showing up in the back half and immediately clowning on everything and everyone, including himself. Sorta.

Will have to make sure I don't accidentally listen to The One Doctor too soon before Christmas, since that's my preferred 'fun' Xmas BF story. Wish there were more quality 'fun' ones.

McGann
May 19, 2003

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Fil5000 posted:

I did the same thing last night - Rose travels back to before she was born, it's the eighties, this is fine. The doctor travels back to before Ruby was born, it's the 2000s, Girls Aloud exists, I crumble to dust.

Wow, when something becomes top of mind, you start seeing it everywhere. *Just* became aware of Girls Aloud thanks to Spotify thinking I'd like to listen to their cover of Jump (I was on a Pointer Sisters kick).

...Spotify was correct, it was a pretty fun cover.

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McGann
May 19, 2003

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Infinitum posted:

Jodie Whittaker reading Peter Capaldi's letter to a 9year old who was sad about 12 having to regenerate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS0iFWwvDbs

That was lovely. And led me to this, which was equally lovely.

Matt berry and Peter Capaldi reading an exchange between a sultan and a cossack.

https://youtu.be/oW8OlXkjVHs?si=hN2PK_kMnw0mfeaL

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