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the guy who ran the punt back was on the bears last year and lost them a game against the vikings when justin fields threw him an absolutely perfect dime when they were driving for the winning score and he just gave it to the defensive player like he was serving him an hors d'ouvres. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fara5f6N_LI e: oh poo poo, Piniero was a failed Matt Nagy Kicker Derangment Bears Kicker! Man, these lovely players all seem to pool in the same teams. R.D. Mangles fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Nov 10, 2023 |
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RumbleFish posted:This is one of the worst rosters, top to bottom, in the NFL. Bryce is playing very poorly right now, but Patrick Mahomes wouldn't be lighting up the scoreboard here. Mahomes is still winning games with a high variance Kecle and no one else and defenses respect him. Young is out there throwing bad passes to JAGs the dude looks 5'6" and 180" at best. I just dont see any promise there with or without good support
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That game was abysmal and everyone involved in it should feel a deep sense of personal shame
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Nov 10, 2023 07:48
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Remember how the Panthers tried to trade away a future first, the one that became Cam, to draft Jimmy Clausen? Lol that would have sucked.
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Freaquency posted:That game was abysmal and everyone involved in it should feel a deep sense of personal shame I missed it. Should I feel shame? Why should I be free from suffering?
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Nov 10, 2023 07:54
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Nervous posted:I missed it. Should I feel shame? Why should I be free from suffering? Consider yourself lucky but I will give the Bears and Panthers credit for trying to establish the Run. Except they would only get 1 or 2 yards per attempt and it was boring.
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Edward Mass posted:I want to know why they haven't flexed any games yet. We deserve this
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What would be the worst possible game in terms of offense? Jets/Panthers? Or did we see the worst possible game tonight?
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trilljester posted:What would be the worst possible game in terms of offense? Jets/Panthers? Or did we see the worst possible game tonight? Jets Panthers I think would be exactly this bad.
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trilljester posted:What would be the worst possible game in terms of offense? Jets/Panthers? Or did we see the worst possible game tonight? Jets-Steelers might get a combined 100 yards of offense from both teams lol
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trilljester posted:I'm so glad I turned this game off at halftime. Sounds like I missed nothing. It was funny how unprepared herbstreit was for just how bad Bryce is.
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For those that missed last night's game, here are the "highlights." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfxxIv9sIj0 You could watch it in 2x speed to only waste 5 minutes of your time, or be a real  and watch it at 0.25x speed to completely disassociate yourself from reality.
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Master Stur posted:Mahomes is still winning games with a high variance Kecle and no one else and defenses respect him. Young is out there throwing bad passes to JAGs the dude looks 5'6" and 180" at best. I just dont see any promise there with or without good support tbf the defense is winning those games, not Pat and Kelce. if you took Kelce away (or even when he just has an off game) that offense looks as bad as any Reid has ever coached, and I watched his offense with Matt McMahon 2005
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Andy Reid is so much better at scheming guys open than Frank Reich
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indigi posted:tbf the defense is winning those games, not Pat and Kelce. if you took Kelce away (or even when he just has an off game) that offense looks as bad as any Reid has ever coached, and I watched his offense with Matt McMahon 2005 Losing Tyreek did quite a bit of damage to the offense
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mahomes wins games and had his second best season last year with no one but kelce. this year he's had unacceptably poor receivers and no continuity with them. he is the best qb there is but has thrown more picks than usual which happens to all goats 1 or 2 years. anywho, bryce needs help. understood
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Gatts posted:Losing Tyreek did quite a bit of damage to the offense I think they came out okay from that move. Looks like the year after trading Hill the Chiefs *checks notes* won the Superbowl with a dominant offense.
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Kinda weird that after the struggles Reid had in philly pre-TO, post TO and then pre-reek with receivers he had, the chiefs let him seek a trade. Paid off I guess, but had to be in the back of Reid's mind at some point how different life has been for him as a coach without a true 1.
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Let's actually look at how bad that Panthers trade was and put all the pieces together. So first they Trade CMC in season last year: 49ERS RECEIVE: Christian McCaffrey PANTHERS RECEIVE: 2023 second-round pick, No. 61 overall 2023 third-round pick, No. 93 overall 2023 fourth-round pick, No. 132 overall These two got packaged in a trade for a pick that became DJ Johnson 2024 fifth-round pick Ok great. Then pre draft they trade for the number one overall pick: PANTHERS RECEIVE: Round 1, 2023: No. 1 -- QB Bryce Young BEARS RECEIVE: WR DJ Moore Round 1, 2023: No. 9; Round 2, 2023: No. 61 (from 49ers); Round 1, 2024 Round 2, 2025 So all told they traded: CMC DJ Moore 2023 No 9 pick (this became Jalen Carter) 2024 top 3 pick (likely going to end up being Drake Maye or Caleb Williams) 2025 2nd round pick and in return they got Bryce Young DJ Johnson (currently has 11 tackles and zero other stats) 2024 5th round pick EDIT: Also they turned down 2 First round picks from the Rams for Brian Burns. Those picks would've been the Rams first rounder this year (a top 15 pick) and a first rounder next year. OR they could've traded Burns instead of DJ Moore in the package to the Bears. Brian Burns has not been extended btw so currently they turned down all those trades for a young guy they haven't actually committed to. That might be the worst series of trades I've seen in modern NFL history. They gutted their roster of their best offensive weapons and replaced it with a tiny QB in a bad offense and a LB who doesn't pass rush or really play. Even on the money side, DJ Moore's on a really great WR contract since he signed before those all blew up so they didn't even drop a massive burdensome contract or anything. Relentlessboredomm fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Nov 10, 2023 |
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Let's actually look at how bad that Panthers trade was and put all the pieces together. Don’t forget that they apparently passed on two firsts for Brian Burns and still haven’t extended him.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Don’t forget that they apparently passed on two firsts for Brian Burns and still haven’t extended him. good call, lets add that in
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Cmc trade wasn’t bad, and considering the picks were made by a different coach I’m not sure they count. Cmc had a bad contract and Wilks wanted to turn the team into ground and pound with foreman. It nearly got them to the playoffs. Turning down two future firsts is…..defensible, but looks hideous in retrospect. Yeah you could say they’d use the picks to trade for the first overall, but again they nearly made the playoffs with him and at the time of the 2022 deadline they hadn’t decided to sell the farm for a qb. Well maybe tepper had but Wilks probably hadn’t. The real killer is including moore in the trade. Should have never been on the table, especially when the bears would have taken burns or brown. Idiocy. I don’t think having moore matters that much on this team.
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FizFashizzle posted:Cmc trade wasn’t bad, and considering the picks were made by a different coach I’m not sure they count. I think Moore would absolutely make a difference, even just being able to evaluate Bryce more clearly. Regardless all those moves were made by the same GM in like a 7mo span, so even if they were defensible in the moment that dude's whole job is to take a longer view on roster construction.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:I think Moore would absolutely make a difference, even just being able to evaluate Bryce more clearly. Long term when you don’t even know if you’re going to be on the team to use the picks in the 2024 draft? That’s a big ask. I mean fitterer has to be gone after this season regardless, and the dj johnson selection is horrifying. I just think there’s more nuance to the Brian burns offer from the rams that you’re skipping over. Good thing we locked him up immediately after and- wait, hold on a minute. FizFashizzle fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Nov 10, 2023 |
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FizFashizzle posted:It was funny how unprepared herbstreit was for just how bad Bryce is. I lol'd about how he was saying he watched so many Alabama games and couldn't figure out why Bryce was not doing the same things he did in college.
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FizFashizzle posted:Long term when you don’t even know if you’re going to be on the team to use the picks in the 2024 draft? That’s a big ask. Dont forget we gave a 4 year 26 million dolalr deal to a running back who managed -5 yards last night.
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FizFashizzle posted:Long term when you don’t even know if you’re going to be on the team to use the picks in the 2024 draft? That’s a big ask. I mean if literally any of those moves didn't look horrible I'd be more willing to cut him some slack but the Burns one in particular is absurd to me. He also had a second chance to trade him for the Bryce pick and stuck with him while still not extending him.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:I mean if literally any of those moves didn't look horrible I'd be more willing to cut him some slack but the Burns one in particular is absurd to me. He also had a second chance to trade him for the Bryce pick and stuck with him while still not extending him. Realistically I don't know how you look at a list of -Brian Burns -DJ Moore -Derrick Brown and think. We're drafting a QB - better trade the number one. The answer has to be Derrick Brown right? Don't get me wrong. Derrick Brown has been a good defensive tackle. A number of times last night he stood a guard up, threw him to the side like a 150 pounder and drilled the running back or forced him into a linebacker and did his job, but he got mentioned for about 15 seconds on the broadcast last night. I know the coveted notice of the commentators isn't exactly a gauge for a good player, but the guys not a household name, he's not Aaron Donald or something where he's a game changing presence. He's a good solid, defensive tackle but if you're a GM looking through the list of "what kind of player here can I replace in the aggregate" or at least replace 50% of their contribution with a late rounder or mid range FA signing - I can't imagine wide receiver or your crown jewel edge rusher is on that list compared to a guy who'll likely have a ten year career with 3 teams and quietly retire where a bunch of NFL fans would be like "who? Oh yeah that guy, wait - he was a first round pick? I didn't realise he played on X team". I still can't fathom the reasoning. I try quite hard sometimes to consider someone elses point of view and I keep coming back to this. It's known that they wanted Burns, Brown or Moore. Moore was locked up on a reasonable contract - poo poo if he was in Kansas City he'd be an All Pro, Burns was in a position to sign an extension once the cap eased (which hasn't happened now because what idiot would re-sign in Carolina right now). But Brown you keep? You can sign one of the space eating DT's who bounce around the league and tell him to just run into the center every play and replace at least a good chunk of what he does. Instead you keep him over what every young QB wants and teams around the league are trading first rounders for pretty consistently? It's just loving dumb. Like negligent dumb.
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That is actually sickening. But like, you could wash all of it away if they get the QB right. Sooooo better hope Young turns into Drew Brees soonish
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Amazing that Pats loss can be completely be laid at the feet of MacCorkle Jones. EDIT: https://twitter.com/ringernfl/status/1723748748247912739?s=46&t=crshEc6ZJO1zh40ZDAIfPQ Android Apocalypse fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Nov 12, 2023 |
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Surely this mac Jones pick wasnt THAT ba- https://x.com/savagesports_/status/1723748132851212567?s=46&t=JBd6ZXmGQ3LmWL-ineTnAA FizFashizzle fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Nov 12, 2023 |
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Hey everyone, get ready for the Bailey Zappe-Crazy Tommy DeVito game for the ages in 2 weeks! https://twitter.com/506sports/status/1723752344452476947
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FizFashizzle posted:Surely this mac Jones pick wasnt THAT ba- Haha this pick essentially killed Jones' career. Backup job is the best he can hope for now.
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FizFashizzle posted:Surely this mac Jones pick wasnt THAT ba- I tuned in right after this (west coast, I’ll wake up early for chiefs/dolphins and as much as I love clownball, not getting up at 6am for this filth) and lol
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