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H.P. Hovercraft posted:that's really not new, i had friends whose parents tried this when i was in college back in 2003 yeah i had a friend in college who would have to call her parents and ask permission to go out and have dinner with a group of us. she didnt even live at home anymore her parents were in a different city!
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fart simpson posted:yeah i had a friend in college who would have to call her parents and ask permission to go out and have dinner with a group of us. she didnt even live at home anymore her parents were in a different city! americans are sick in the head
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smug jeebus posted:Chapo reviewed a New Yorker article about virtual reality teaching (guess the state!). Thought people might be interested, it's pretty grim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua6CUe2JRtk&t=2303s Oh my https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6419SC9FFB4
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fart simpson posted:yeah i had a friend in college who would have to call her parents and ask permission to go out and have dinner with a group of us. she didnt even live at home anymore her parents were in a different city! did they ever say no
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spacetoaster posted:If you want some positive stuff I can message you what parents of successful little kids are doing. It's pretty universal stuff from my experience. I would take you up on that.
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Thoguh posted:I would take you up on that. he already posted it friend
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lobster shirt posted:did they ever say no not that i remember
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can more people in education post their experiences, TIA
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Hubbert posted:can more people in education post their experiences, TIA not in education but i do like to browse https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/ (and /education) once every few months. most of the time it's dumb poo poo but overall kinda mirrors what most people said itt
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spacetoaster posted:Dumbass, you gutted the education system. We used to have Home Economics and auto shop. Also, do parents not have any responsibility for teaching stuff to their own kids now? Many parents don't have these skills, don't have time to learn, and don't have time to teach their kids. As far as I know, I was part of the very last generation at my city's high school where I had access to multiple "life skill" style classes like an auto shop, wood shop, dedicated cooking class, etc. That was late 90s/early 00s and everything was slowly gutted over the next several years. I don't know the details, but from talking to people it was as much about budget as a total lack of interest, particularly with stuff like the auto shop. The fundamental truth is that most parents don't know how to do that stuff, don't understand it, and don't encourage their kids to see any value in it. If you have no idea how any of that works, then you completely miss the fact that extremely basic maintenance like brake replacements will save you literally hundreds if not thousands of dollars for a few hours of work. Instead, it just seems like something dirty and dangerous that's going to be so time consuming that you aren't really saving any money. I generally try very hard not to be the old man shouting at clouds, but it really feels like we're in an extremely bad place where most families can't afford to outsource all these skills to specialists but also lack the time to learn or practice them. I don't know anyone who wouldn't be meaningfully better off financially by handling basic home or auto maintenance themselves, but I do know plenty of people who will never have the time or energy to learn those skills.
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Paradoxish posted:As far as I know, I was part of the very last generation at my city's high school where I had access to multiple "life skill" style classes like an auto shop, wood shop, dedicated cooking class, etc. That was late 90s/early 00s and everything was slowly gutted over the next several years. to get access to any of this poo poo anymore, you have to be sent to one of those Last Chance high schools
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fosborb posted:to get access to any of this poo poo anymore, you have to be sent to one of those Last Chance high schools I graduated HS in 99 and even then vo-tech was clearly a dumping ground for problem kids with a few exceptions like the guy who took auto shop so he could take over the family mechanic shop when his dad retired
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I took electronics as an elective at my vo-tech senior year and it turned me into a degenerate professional computer toucher. 
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lobster shirt posted:heres a blog from the dang nyt about helicopter parents, online grades, etc. none of this poo poo sounds like it helps kids or makes schools better and in fact makes it worse. Your mom comes in to the meeting with your boss. "I don't see why my darling angel deserves to be fired." RE vocational classes in school: they would be cool, if everyone is that concerned with how schools push everyone towards college, but shop teachers would still have to deal with the same problems their colleagues do. You're not gonna give up decent pay as a welder to be grinded down in the education mines for less. I'm a licensed teacher and I'm teaching abroad and I don't plan to ever teach in the states, if I can help it. I know that I am essentially a merc and that I am essentially laundering class privilege through credentialism, but at least I can afford to live and everyone involved seems to give a poo poo. Sure, teaching abroad can have its problems, but at least I'm not gonna get shot at or accused of turning their kid trans anytime soon.
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Griz posted:I graduated HS in 99 and even then vo-tech was clearly a dumping ground for problem kids with a few exceptions like the guy who took auto shop so he could take over the family mechanic shop when his dad retired The US could adopt the German dual track system in regards to college or the trades after high school, but those tend to fall along class lines. Apparently, the UK had a similar system, but they stopped because of that.
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Nothing is going to work until schools start enforcing attendance and discipline again. A dual track system would help a lot as getting rid of the bottom 20% of the school would help reduce teacher and admin workloads enormously. But until you build up the institutions around enforcing attendance laws and removing violent or non-compliant kids from the room, teacher and admin workloads will remain insurmountable. If you haven't been a teacher at a struggling public school, you don't know how much school effort and resources chronically absent, violent, and terminally lazy kids soak up. It's drowning the system. Truly violent kids are rare, less than one in fifty, and problem kids are maybe one in twenty, but they easily absorb half the staff's effort every day. And the minority of lazy and rude kids is growing as they see that there are no consequences to being rude and defiant. Standards are in free fall. If you didn't teach over the pandemic you'd be shocked at who high schools are graduating. Kids well below the state legal attendance requirement are graduating, straight F kids who never learned anything after 6th grade are graduating, and the system is collapsing trying to cope with discipline problems and track down absentees
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Arglebargle III posted:Nothing is going to work until schools start enforcing attendance and discipline again. A dual track system would help a lot as getting rid of the bottom 20% of the school would help reduce teacher and admin workloads enormously. But until you build up the institutions around enforcing attendance laws and removing violent or non-compliant kids from the room, teacher and admin workloads will remain insurmountable. syq
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The US already has a two track system if you count jail.
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the one vo-tech they should teach is nursing/first aid. and it springboards into a medical career that is actually useful and in demand.
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lobster shirt posted:heres a blog from the dang nyt about helicopter parents, online grades, etc. none of this poo poo sounds like it helps kids or makes schools better and in fact makes it worse. Lol I spent some time at a university when I worked for a temp agency and every one of the education program people had stories like this. Like they trained doctors and were still getting emails asking if the program could give them acces to the grades of their 28 year old children Raskolnikov38 posted:kill all the administrators and then do something useful with their salary money Yeah like give it to me
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Raskolnikov38 posted:kill all the administrators and then do something useful with their salary money this is a common phrase encouraged in academia by tenured professors to keep the workers from unionizing. in one college i worked for, the adjuncts (the real teachers) were in the same union as the administrators and it was a good thing for all involved. if you're talking the heads of the college like the deans, yeah i agree
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Al! posted:this is a common phrase encouraged in academia by tenured professors to keep the workers from unionizing. in one college i worked for, the adjuncts (the real teachers) were in the same union as the administrators and it was a good thing for all involved. if you're talking the heads of the college like the deans, yeah i agree oh i was specifically thinking about secondary school admins but yes the deans must go as well
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Arglebargle III posted:Nothing is going to work until schools start enforcing attendance and discipline again. A dual track system would help a lot as getting rid of the bottom 20% of the school would help reduce teacher and admin workloads enormously. But until you build up the institutions around enforcing attendance laws and removing violent or non-compliant kids from the room, teacher and admin workloads will remain insurmountable. wtf?
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Arglebargle III posted:Nothing is going to work until schools start enforcing attendance and discipline again. A dual track system would help a lot as getting rid of the bottom 20% of the school would help reduce teacher and admin workloads enormously. But until you build up the institutions around enforcing attendance laws and removing violent or non-compliant kids from the room, teacher and admin workloads will remain insurmountable. *one eye brow raising and then leaving my face and floating into space*
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Arglebargle III posted:Nothing is going to work until schools start enforcing attendance and discipline again. A dual track system would help a lot as getting rid of the bottom 20% of the school would help reduce teacher and admin workloads enormously. But until you build up the institutions around enforcing attendance laws and removing violent or non-compliant kids from the room, teacher and admin workloads will remain insurmountable. good heavens
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Arglebargle III posted:Nothing is going to work until schools start enforcing attendance and discipline again. A dual track system would help a lot as getting rid of the bottom 20% of the school would help reduce teacher and admin workloads enormously. But until you build up the institutions around enforcing attendance laws and removing violent or non-compliant kids from the room, teacher and admin workloads will remain insurmountable. I've been teaching at a struggling school since the pandemic started and the violent kids aren't really the problem. They cause disruptions and get in to fights sure, but that is kinda cool and breaks up the monotony and gives the kids something to look forward to. What we need to do is pay kids to go to school. That way there is an incentive for them to go in the first place. Also, kids should have the authority to give teachers detention suspension etc. by majority vote that way there is a power balance and they can learn about democracy and voting and all that poo poo. Schools should also teach modern life skills like how to look busy while doing an email job, and how to use fiver to get poor people to do gig work for you. The standards falling aren't really a big deal either. We don't actually "track down" absentees if they don't show up that's on the kid or the cops arrest them or whatever.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Now when you say getting rid of the bottom 20%, why are poor people even allowed to breed?
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Regarde Aduck posted:why are poor people even allowed to breed? https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
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Arglebargle III posted:Nothing is going to work until schools start enforcing attendance and discipline again. A dual track system would help a lot as getting rid of the bottom 20% of the school would help reduce teacher and admin workloads enormously. But until you build up the institutions around enforcing attendance laws and removing violent or non-compliant kids from the room, teacher and admin workloads will remain insurmountable. I can't agree with this, sorry. I taught full time during the pandemic. I work with that 20 percent you are referring to. That's my entire caseload and I work in a severely underfunded school district. Forgive me, but it sounds like you're just burned out right now. I get it, one teacher just straight up left this year and now we're even more hosed. I just try to move my mountain every day. I don't always succeed. edit: Raskolnikov38 posted:kill all the administrators and then do something useful with their salary money I wouldn't call for death but we definitely don't need as many as we have. Greg Legg has issued a correction as of 03:04 on Dec 4, 2023 |
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