UKMT Winterval 2023/24 - Zero-Tolerance Zones in Hotpot Areas

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Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

The Question IRL posted:

The mad thing about the Royal Racisim Row is when Piers Morgan named the Royals on his show it was "I want to investigate the whole thing. Find out if they said it, in what context they said it and did they have a malicious intention in mind."
Which pretty much translates into "I want to give them multiple defences for why what they said wasn't so bad. Including a defence that we don't know what was in their heart, so it's fine."
Very normal.

lol, took a quick look at the Mail's site, and they have two different frontpage articles that are both

'this BLACK person says there's NOTHING racist about talking about a baby's skin colour - THEY do it ALL THE TIME'

# ¿ Dec 1, 2023 15:15

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 12:20

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

keep punching joe posted:

lmao

inspiring stuff

quote:

Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, the Labour leader said Thatcher had �set loose our natural entrepreneurialism� during her time as prime minister.

�Across Britain, there are people who feel disillusioned, frustrated, angry, worried. Many of them have always voted Conservative but feel that their party has left them,� he said. �I understand that. I saw that with my own party and acted to fix it. But I also understand that many will still be uncertain about Labour. I ask them to take a look at us again.�

In the article, Starmer pointed to Labour prime ministers of the past � Tony Blair and Clement Attleee � as well as Thatcher, as examples of how politicians can effect meaningful change.

Starmer said it was �in this sense of public service� that he had overseen a dramatic change in the Labour party � cutting its ties with former leader Jeremy Corbyn and expelling him from the party. �The course of shock therapy we gave our party had one purpose: to ensure that we were once again rooted in the priorities, the concerns and the dreams of ordinary British people. To put country before party,� he said. Starmer claimed his party was �moving back towards voters� while �the Tory party has been steadily drifting away�.

The Labour leader touted the party�s �iron-clad fiscal rules� in an effort to portray Labour as trustworthy on the economy. �There will be many on my own side who will feel frustrated by the difficult choices we will have to make,� he added. �This is non-negotiable: every penny must be accounted for. The public finances must be fixed so we can get Britain growing and make people feel better off.�

On migration, Starmer said: �This is a government that was elected on a promise that immigration would �come down� and the British people would �always be in control�. For immigration to then triple is more than just yet another failure � it is a betrayal of their promises.�

'think of the transformative changes made by past great prime ministers of different ideological stripes, such as attlee, blair, and thatcher. i won't be doing any of that. it'll be a challenge just keeping the lights on. but rest assured, i'm the penny-pinching accountant for the job.'

# ¿ Dec 3, 2023 04:57

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Tesseraction posted:

I wouldn't be able to afford a skilled worker visa at my new salary then.

How many skilled workers are driving immigration figures? I cannot see this change doing much at all.

The change for skilled workers is getting the headlines, but they�re also jacking up the minimum income for family visas - i.e. what you need if you�ve married a dirty foreigner and have the temerity to think you deserve to live together - from �18.6k per year salary to �38.7k (that�s for spouse only, several thousand more per child if you have any, and it all has to be from the UK partner, none of this �joint income� nonsense)

So I guess I�m extra-never coming home to look after my parents in their old age now

# ¿ Dec 5, 2023 02:34

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

You�d think the Dutch election would have been a lesson on what happens when the �mainstream� conservative party tries to prevent defections to the far right party by saying the far right party are 100% right about the existential threat posed to society by immigrant hordes and centering an election campaign around �we�ll take extreme measures to save our country, but not as extreme as the far right are promising�, but I guess not.

# ¿ Dec 6, 2023 21:29

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

smellmycheese posted:

I genuinely worked with someone a few years back who referred to them in a meeting as �May - Mays�

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqT9aLnyADY

# ¿ Dec 7, 2023 19:00

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

quote:

Last week's plotting moved up a gear in the hours after Home Secretary James Cleverly unveiled his Rwanda Bill in the Commons, with around three dozen rebel MPs �including Ms Braverman � drinking wine in West Dorset MP Chris Loder's office. 'The mood was jubilant after Rob Jenrick went,' one rebel said. 'All the talk was � what will our next chess move be?'

Although their immediate focus is on the drafting of amendments to toughen up the Rwanda Bill to 'bounce' the Prime Minister into a more hardline position, the schemers are also thinking well into next year.

Newly released accounts show that Mr Kruger has amassed a �100,000 war chest for his New Conservatives, compared to just �7,600 in the previous year. Sources say that sort of backing would give the group 'heft' ahead of the next leadership contest.

MPs allied with Ms Braverman are bitterly critical of the Prime Minister, with one claiming that he was 'threatened by strong women like Suella'. Another dubbed him 'Rishi Gervais' in honour of comedian Ricky Gervais, who created the character of David Brent. They say that like the hapless, ineffectual boss in the BBC's The Office, the Prime Minister 'goes around saying 'I've got things to say if people will listen, but they won't.'

loving 6th form mean clique braying about their own sharp wits and masterful stratagems while the country falls apart :thumbsup:

# ¿ Dec 9, 2023 20:16

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

chat gpt, create the world's worst, most confused political metaphor

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-67670625

# ¿ Dec 10, 2023 03:23

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

worst quote from that streeting interview:

# ¿ Dec 10, 2023 17:54

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

gotta take our lols where we can find them i guess, so: lol
https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/status/1734588575679697261

# ¿ Dec 12, 2023 16:23

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

stick a fork in rishi i guss. (also chucking childishly at the mis-spellings here)

the MPs waim at joirnalists

# ¿ Dec 12, 2023 19:57

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

just the equalities minister writing to peoples' employers to say that some research they did about racism existing in the 17th century 'undermines social cohesion'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/13/badenoch-condemns-london-plague-study-after-mp-calls-it-woke-archaeology

# ¿ Dec 13, 2023 20:34

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Pistol_Pete posted:

God, the language around this one. It's so obvious that the IDF thought they were Palestinian civilians (and thus could be shot on the spot with complete impunity); so much tortured English to try and obfuscate this simple point.

Haaretz article had a bit more detail in their reporting, and this one was... i can't say 'worse' than that, but even more insane, i think: they killed two of the hostages (barechested and waving a white flag) on the spot, but the third guy survived and ducked into a nearby building, obviously terrified and distressed; he yelled for help in Hebrew, poked his head out of the building and then went back in again. the IDF troops decided that this meant he was a Hamas operative trying to lure them into the building as part of a trap (?), so then they went into the building (??), hunted him down and killed him as he continued to yell for help. just complete madness.

# ¿ Dec 17, 2023 01:44

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

fuctifino posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/16/sunak-accused-toxic-rhetoric-after-warning-overwhelming-migration-europe

sigh

e A video snippet of the fascist dwarf. He's gone full Trumpian now: https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1736022284056314265

# ¿ Dec 17, 2023 02:50

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

kind-of-good news in itself, compared to what was potentially on the table, but god, the undertone from presumably badenoch et al

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/dec/18/schools-in-england-will-not-have-to-flag-pupils-asking-about-gender

quote:

Teachers in England will not be made to automatically �out� pupils who come to them with questions over gender identity, despite a push from Conservative rightwingers for a blanket approach, government guidance due to be published this week will say. Schools will be expected to inform parents if children tell staff that they want to take any steps towards transitioning, but they will not have to flag conversations if children are just asking general questions, or in the event of safeguarding issues.

The decision to keep some protections in place so that children are not automatically outed is likely to frustrate some on the Tory right who have been pushing for parents to be told in all circumstances.

�Children can be very confused about these things and just want to have a conversation about it and what it all means with a trusted adult,� one government insider said. �That shouldn�t necessarily mean it is automatically flagged to parents.�

Rishi Sunak had initially pledged to deliver the guidance by the end of the summer term but missed his own deadline after months of internal disagreements on the issue, including over whether the guidance would be compatible with equalities law. The government initially considered introducing an outright ban on social transitioning � when children change their names, pronouns and uniforms but have not yet embarked on a clinical path � but concluded it would require new legislation. Ministers had also hoped to include an absolute ban on primary school children transitioning in this way, but this also potentially breached equality law. Sources said the guidance would be �as close to a �no� as possible� for younger children without running counter to legal requirements, while primary schools would be urged to take a particularly cautious approach.

The fact that equalities law is preventing the government from going as far as it might will enrage the right of the party. However, Tory insiders suggested that Kemi Badenoch, the equalities minister, had no plans to change the law to drive through changes.

�She would generally like to go further but can�t because she�s not prepared to take action on the legislation,� one said. �If you open up the equalities act then lots of other groups would want to make changes and you�re also likely to have people pushing for stronger protections on trans issues than we already have.�

The guidance is expected to advise schools to maintain separate toilets, changing rooms and contact sports for girls and boys. Plans for children to have to see a doctor before being allowed to socially transition as part of a compulsory �clinical gateway� have been dropped after the NHS said it did not have capacity. Government sources said there was no longer any disagreement between Badenoch and the education secretary, Gillian Keegan, on policy, although they conceded there were differences in tone after Badenoch suggested schools were facing an �epidemic� of children saying they are transgender.

The guidance will not come into effect in classrooms until the spring as there will be a 12-week consultation period first. It will be in place before the next general election, during which the Tories are expected to use it as a wedge issue with the Labour party.

'we couldn't put the boot into trans kids as hard as we wanted this time, but at least we can litigate their existence as an election wedge issue'

# ¿ Dec 18, 2023 17:24

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

fuctifino posted:

Peter Bone's no longer an MP

no, he still is - hasn't resigned and is hinting at Dark Forces being responsible for his current troubles

potential for some big/bleak lols if he stands as an independent in the byelection

# ¿ Dec 20, 2023 01:00

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

oh you're right, i thought the act let them hold the seat until the byelection, but apparently it's declared vacant immediately once the petition result gets announced

# ¿ Dec 20, 2023 01:11

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

christ

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/22/sign-of-weakness-home-office-u-turn-on-visa-salary-threshold-divides-tories

: this policy is not cruel enough, in fact it cuts back on the level of cruelty originally promised. it shows weakness by not inflicting enough suffering'

# ¿ Dec 22, 2023 16:30

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

lol

the prime minister: only the top 25% of wage earners make enough money to support a family in the uk, and that's a good thing

# ¿ Dec 22, 2023 20:50

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

yeah, i honestly thought back when May introduced the financial requirement in the first place that after a couple of years of torygraph articles about honest hard-working (white) british people who couldn't bring their (white) american/russian/etc. families to the uk that it would get rolled back or modified to be more subtly racist, but i failed to realize that there's a seemingly ever-increasing faction of the tories that go into a blood frenzy whenever they hear the word 'immigrant'

# ¿ Dec 22, 2023 21:00

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

love to be a big brain business genius

liz and kwasi were about to press the 'economy good' button, but now we have rishi who won't press it because he doesn't like it when the economy grows and we can pay for things

# ¿ Dec 23, 2023 18:16

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

lol it's entirely her cronies and also one elderly writer who's best known for the 1982 novel Lace

quote:

Her first novel Lace was published in 1982 by Simon & Schuster and was a huge bestseller, spending 13 weeks on the New York Times Best Seller list, reaching as high as No. 6. It became known as a 'bonkbuster' for its many explicit and often bizarre sex scenes. It was adapted into a 1980s US miniseries starring Phoebe Cates. It contains the infamous line: "Which one of you bitches is my mother?"

# ¿ Dec 30, 2023 00:35

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

for services to Common Sense and Telling It Like It Is

# ¿ Dec 30, 2023 19:44

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Bulldog Boris's Brilliant Brexit Bonanza for Britain

# ¿ Dec 31, 2023 03:25

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1741451559358341237?t=FXBGb2YCa5_Z5IaavOH5Xw&s=19

lmao this loving guy

# ¿ Jan 1, 2024 01:37

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

posting politics in the sci-fi thread:
https://twitter.com/BenQuinn75/status/1742503251285622862
'richard you can't just call everything you don't like "socialism"'

*points at passing suella braverman*: SOCIALISM

# ¿ Jan 3, 2024 15:02

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

what
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1751374184482029849

# ¿ Jan 28, 2024 18:44

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

smellmycheese posted:

More LOLs from Clown Show Island

lmao gove, again, the man is a loving backstab elemental

Jedit posted:

Well, there goes another UKMT poster for saying incredibly inappropriate poo poo.

oh man, already? i know the i/p thread grinds everyone's gears, but you don't need to self-immolate over mod-

oh

oh dear

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 20:31

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

when the loving blairites are like 'this is depressingly craven'
https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/1753151577194377361

# ¿ Feb 2, 2024 14:58

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

lol jesus christ this is like 1890s Tory foreign boogeyman bingo

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/04/russia-china-iran-could-target-uk-irish-backdoor-thinktank-warns

the security of noble albion is imperiled by the incompetence of the feckless, idle fenian, allowing the menace of the perfidious eurasian in alliance with the heathen chinee to sneak in through the back door!

# ¿ Feb 5, 2024 00:41

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

lol jesus christ

'we're the Popular Conservatives, or PopCons! for short

. we're a grassroots movement dedicated to restoring the vibrancy of our national democracy

. our policy agenda is :byodood:

SUFFER NOT THE WOKE TO LIVE, TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY FROM THE SINISTER FORCES OF THE GLOBALIST TRANS CONSPIRACY :byodood:

# ¿ Feb 6, 2024 16:19

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

fuctifino posted:

https://twitter.com/GBNewsSpin/status/1756737531247260013

why do they all look like they haven't slept for a week

# ¿ Feb 11, 2024 19:39

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/14/starmer-facing-test-of-authority-as-immediate-gaza-ceasefire-vote-looms

l o l

# ¿ Feb 14, 2024 23:59

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

also 'NMS' discussion reminds me of many many years ago when there was one poster who kept adding the tags to not-actually-NMS posts, and when someone asked them about it it transpired they thought it meant 'Not Mom Safe' - to be used for mildly risque or rude things that you wouldn't want your dear old mum to see :allears:

# ¿ Feb 15, 2024 00:02

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

starming ever onward to the glorious future...

edit: wellingborough is a tory majority of 18k becoming a labour majority of 6.5k, jesus christ

Apraxin fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Feb 16, 2024

# ¿ Feb 16, 2024 05:37

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

announcement on what the reform bill will look like is 'expected' next month, apparently (in the final section of this article)

# ¿ Feb 18, 2024 23:17

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Mebh posted:

Totally different from Braverman saying the entire country is run by islamists which is fine and dandy of course.

yeah, the quote that got him suspended was him disagreeing with her

perfectly fine for senior government officials to say that the foul hordes of unwashed foreign islamo-nazis have seized control of the country in a vast conspiracy with traitors from within, they just can't name any specific traitors

# ¿ Feb 24, 2024 18:37

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

lol
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1761775790994124958

# ¿ Feb 25, 2024 19:27

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 12:20

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

wonkaland is a gift that keeps on giving
https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1762871070661472596

# ¿ Feb 28, 2024 18:38

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