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The true danger of AI is that so many critics use the phrase ai generated: “ he’s blockbuster cinema’s first example of the A.I. image generator as auteur: Plug in some nerd-rear end variables — zombies, Batman, sexual violence as character motivation, etc” Had this discussion in other thread, but going to see it a lot more instead of actual ideas.
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Dec 15, 2023 19:37
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Weird to me that they didn’t want the r rated cut to begin with. Netflix has plenty of such material on it. I dunno, did their past r rated films not do well?
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Dec 15, 2023 23:23
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Here for that trailer then. Wonder if bad reviews will push Netflix to quickly release the long cut. But not like Netflix film decisions ever seem sensible.
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Dec 16, 2023 01:58
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The Irishman is the one I keep thinking of when I ask why they thought they needed a 2 hour cut. Did the Irishman fail in views or something
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Dec 16, 2023 02:11
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Since it’s streaming I’ll watch both cuts. I just hope the true cut comes out without too much of a wait.
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Dec 16, 2023 03:33
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Clearly all the Synder bots have formed a collective ai to post positive blog reviews all in order to raise the rotten tomato score a percent or two.
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Dec 16, 2023 05:16
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Also a glowing red sword falls under homages and allusions.
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Dec 22, 2023 14:32
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Disagree on the dp complaints. I thought he was using focus variations a lot better here than in army of the dead. Army was almost an experiment with that, where he he seemed to have it streamlined more.
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Dec 22, 2023 22:56
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There’s quite a few aliens in this one. You have the bounty hunters who support fascism. The bar aliens who do scummy bar things. There’s the spider lady who is a victim of fascist expansion and thinks the best response is terror on the citizens. And finally the alien king who helps the rebels fight the fascists.
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Dec 22, 2023 23:16
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grains complaints is the dumbest thing.
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Dec 22, 2023 23:59
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Schwarzwald posted:Honestly, yeah, the final fight is hard to keep track of. That being said, it did have Ray Fisher taking down a Star Destroyer with a spear and a running leap so I have decided to forgive it its faults. Yeah I’m hoping extended version fleshes out this gun fight a bit. Going from being imprisoned to pushing back bad dudes wasn’t the clearest layout.
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Dec 23, 2023 00:03
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josh04 posted:Same reason it's important in this universe. Army gotta eat, no farms on your giant space submarine. Also space beer. Motherworlda craft game is weak.
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Dec 23, 2023 00:04
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No Luck Needed posted:you are correct. The point was to scare the villagers into complying. Um did you watch the intro or all times they said they empire came into just kill people and the their stuff? Like 4 different people reflected on this.
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Dec 23, 2023 01:19
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Found this a lot of fun and love having a new big space sci fi, but like others I want the longer cut for more expanded details and scenes. I think we want to know more about the various fighters as they are just so unique from each other. Like Prince Tarak: where’s he from, why does he not wear a shirt ever? Old robots, a colosseum, glowing swords, goo bag brain vr: definitely want more of those. I thought most of the action was solid with the last big fight a bit muddled at parts but contained some great moments like the leap or the final fist fight. As for the ending Kai being the true scummy Han Solo is great. Everyone ending back up on farm world thinking the fight is over but still going there is a strange choice, but I guess why not check it out. Everything with talking to Balsarius in the astral world was fantastic. . Looking forward to part 2 A scene I really appreciated is when the “trained” bird then just murders the master when he tries to ride it post Tarak. Death to all oppressors.
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Dec 23, 2023 03:06
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lol at going on in and watching a movie directed, written, and shot by Zack Synder and complaining about slow mo.
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Dec 23, 2023 14:24
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CelticPredator posted:My issue with the slow mo is it doesn't feel like it's showing me anything cool. It's just showing someone leap once, or slam into a wall. Or shoot a gun. This is a fair complaint and not just there’s too much slow mo like some others. It’s a matter of taste, but I think the slow mo he does in village fight and final fist fight work well for coolness at least. Though yeah 300 speed ramping is still so good. He’s also using slow mo to highlight emotions in the film. Like Kora at peace with the soil early on or Kora raging as a soldier in the past.
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Dec 23, 2023 19:44
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I just rewatched that first village fight. Impact or not, Kora is not physically overpowering these bigger guys. She stabbing, cutting, and shooting them. This is not a fight scene where she’s out punching and kicking a guy twice her size. She’s just being very lethal. And the leg thing yeah is to counter the rape aspect, provide cover, and because why not who cares. Also Sofia Boutella looks quite ripped. Those arms. She’s been part of the Synder gym crew it seems.
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Dec 24, 2023 14:21
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Simiain posted:Yeah, this time of year means I've been exposed to different family members and thus to different (gross and upsetting) corners of nerd fandom, a lot of which has been loudly scoffing about a woman beating up a bunch of guys. So I was primed to look out for it. Reminds me I was watching Midnight Run last week and De Niro keeps knocking people out with one punch. Which maybe isn’t unrealistic compared to action movie beatings, but it just looked funny as he wasn’t throwing the most real looking punch and the other bounty hunter was like twice his size.
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Dec 24, 2023 15:09
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Seems cool? Different versions of a film is fun.
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Dec 24, 2023 20:24
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Bar was full of cover and walls anyways and baddies were low level criminals. Final fight though was full of soldiers so I guess could complain more there. But this is just normal for the genre be it Star Wars, Dune, and pretty much any action film. Just think of it like a video game with our heroes having high AC/dodge and enemies attack with disadvantage. Also gotta remember that CineD is full of Sickos who love a good neck snapping.
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Dec 25, 2023 00:26
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Benson Cunningham posted:It is not. That's depressing. Now I can't watch the Fifth Element anymore. Please post some of your writing Roth posted:Lol I just noticed the "I could make a movie better than this" good luck dude I'm rooting for ya Did someone post this thread to Twitter? The poster can both make a better novel and movie if he wanted. They are just busy you know.
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Dec 25, 2023 01:24
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Schwarzwald posted:What surprises me most so far is what isn't getting complained about. For example, the quaint village that's being robbed of its grain are basically Space Amish, and while they're welcoming of Kora, they aren't just willing to let her live their and help out. They want her to join their community and that entails marrying of their own and explicitly producing children, which Kora is clearly unhappy with. The Motherworld gave Kora a job of authority. She was a commander and traveled to various worlds. On Veldt, she would have to be a mother as you stated and likely never leave. Interestingly, there seemed to be only male soldiers under Noble where as the slain king had all genders in his conquering army.
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Dec 25, 2023 01:42
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Notably, the outskirts aren't untouched by the Motherworld; they were conquered and integrated once and now they're getting ideas. The village's cozy little fertility cult isn't that far off from the Imperial worship of a mythical life-giving queen, either. Right the whole fight to protect your lover aspect seems to show that just pushing the glory of the king or some other impersonal ideal was no longer enough after years of conquering. With the king dead, it seems like Nobles crew is mostly fighting for their own sadistic pleasures with the exception of the one nice kid. Maybe he just needs a job. It seems like all of team Kora were wronged by the Motherworld in some way. But that’s also shown to be true for just about everyone, including Kai and the Spider lady who both act differently. So a universal hatred of the Motherworld as you stated won’t be enough for a final reason to fight. If the king and his family didn’t die and the daughter took over and tried to bring peace, would others like Noble even listen to this?
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Dec 25, 2023 05:38
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H13 posted:Each time you re-watch a movie, it is less enjoyable compared to the previous time you watched it. A strange way to experience cinema or any form of entertainment.
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Dec 25, 2023 15:30
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Ah well you start with 1 whole suspender of disbelief but each time you watch a film you lose 10%, unless there is a non British accent in the film which causes a 5x multiplier on disbeliefs. Also every time a bullet misses a hero that’s another disbelief though these are addictive and then multiplied by accents at the end. Here’s my 2 hour YouTube video analysis where I explain this. Or check out my 70 part twitter thread.
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Dec 25, 2023 16:12
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YggdrasilTM posted:That was my breaking point too. That whole fight didn't make any sense. But it’s important to keep in mind that the spider woman was doomed already. First we know that mining has killed her offspring likely making her the last of her kind. Next, she approaches initially trying to bargain saying that her path of terrorism is justified. And even if she kills Nemesis, Kora has her gun ready to shoot the spider. Really the end is just the spider making sure her executioner looks her in the eye one last time. Maybe a hope for her cause to be remembered, a new reason to fight. Maybe a final acknowledgment that terrorism isn’t the path.
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Dec 25, 2023 17:36
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Bongo Bill posted:You're telling me that they made a space opera movie that's derivative? Why, such a thing is unprecedented. He came with a trope checklist. You know he’s a professional. Dirt? Check. Space? Check.
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Dec 25, 2023 19:12
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The problem with new Dune is that Lynch Dune exists and you always wondering where the battle pug and cat milker are going to show up. Here we get some space Conans riding giant birds and goo bag vr at least.
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Dec 25, 2023 20:36
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Guy A. Person posted:Hmmm I’ve seen very few person insults outside of calling people cult members which is a very personal and uncalled for attack I think people are coming in here expecting to drop their hot takes and not expecting push back. Push back is for cultists/Sickos. But this is a discussion place…
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Dec 25, 2023 20:47
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90sgamer posted:My biggest problem with the film was the cgi once again a cool story is brought down by boring artificial looking backgrounds. Why can’t they just use the effects they used in 80s fantasy films and Star Wars? Sure some of that poo poo looked fake but it had this otherworldly quality to it that sticks with you and looked better then generic cgi poo poo Synder loves Boormans Excalibur. It would definitely be cool if he made a film with a retro look like that, but maybe a hard sell.
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Dec 26, 2023 16:29
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Mega Comrade posted:I dont think that was there point though. I believe they were arguing that he just shoves it in with no thought, not that they use it in their movies. This is a bad assumption though. Why would you assume a filmmaker does something in a film with zero thought? Why not ask what they are trying to convey. We talked about this in the thread earlier but slow mo is both used to make stuff look cool for some action or hero poses, and to hone in on emotions and themes. For example, the slow handling of the soil and seeds by Kora to emphasize the feeling of peace to her. Or in her flashback it slow mos on her battlefield face to again highlight her past rage.
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Dec 26, 2023 21:17
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Mega Comrade posted:Slow-mo can be a crutch to putting together actual good action choreography. It can also make some action choreography worse. Yes like other film tools it can have a positive and negative effect. But going into a Synder film thinking all slow mo is bad and the director makes choices thoughtlessly probably isn’t the best way to approach a movie .
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Dec 26, 2023 21:58
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Papercut posted:No one said all slo-mo is bad Well do you have anything to say? We’ve been taking about how slow mo can be used.
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Dec 26, 2023 22:31
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Papercut posted:I'm saying that you're strawmanning the position you're arguing against. The discussion was about approaching films understanding directors have intent. Sure, all slo mo may not be the correct word choice, but you are ignoring the rest of the discussion about how and why directors use slo mo and other tools.
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Dec 27, 2023 00:04
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Watched the first 30 mins of the Netflix Cut out of curiousity, and this is mainly a genuinely unnerving ‘Nazi home invasion’ kind of deal that recalls Inglorious Basterds. The only noticeable slow-mo was an Obviously Symbolic pouch of seeds being dropped on the ground, and the moment was clearly slowed down for emphasis on the Obviously Symbolicness (coming shortly after a big speech about how this religious community values fertility, and a subsequent smaller speech about how the protagonist is uncomfortable with the idea of ‘settling down’). That Chappie takes a lot of abuse. Excited to see more of Jimmy in next installment. Listening to the score, it reminds me of Gladiator, which had its own offscreen home invasion by a Roman army and fields of grain.
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Dec 27, 2023 00:43
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Yeah the 2 vs 3 hour cut 100% seems like a marketing decision. There’s no way they hired Synder not expecting a long version as he’s had this planned out for a bit. And with the amount of marketing they are putting in, this films development was definitely watched. checkplease fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Dec 27, 2023 |
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Dec 27, 2023 17:36
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Guy A. Person posted:I liked the whole recruitment thing, I do think there was a way to cut the last third of the movie to be more coherent and give the recruits more time to shine in the final fight, while also not making the whole "we are all returning to the farming village for essentially no reason" thing more sensible, but maybe that would have required actual reshoots and ADRing that was seen as unreasonable. I think one way to see the recruitment is as a series of shorter stories loosely connected before the final battle. Like there’s a story about a space Conan given a chance at freedom if he helps to enslave a beast. Instead he helps it fight for itself following theme of the film. Then there’s a story about a warrior meeting and a dying ancient spider breed discussing and fight over the best path of revenge. There’s a cadre of revolutionaries debating if they owe it to the civilians to help them or to focus on the cause.And finally there’s just an angry drunk guy. The big battle, agreed, just seems too heavily edited between its series of moments: betrayal, kora escape, ray Fischer jump, then fist fight.
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Dec 27, 2023 17:40
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McGann posted:I may have misunderstood (as I watched the movie broken up in 2 parts), but weren't they needing to return to get the small payment they were promised (was it just grain?)? Correct there is the promise of payment, but it seems small enough they could just skip out on it. Felt more like eh we might as well to me, we’ve come this far.
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Dec 27, 2023 21:06
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I assumed the villagers just sacrificed that solider to their fertility good in a wicker man fashion. Good to know there’s no space bees and get better fate. Glad to hear there’s more Jimmy.
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Dec 28, 2023 01:22
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Ovenmaster posted:Saw this, thought it was pretty terrible. I have no particular opinion of Snyder, and I actually didn’t know it was one of his movies going in. Might have a different view going forward, though… Not every movie is going to be about character growth or learning lessons. Maybe you are not saying that, but it seems like that’s what you want here at least. It is a part 1 though, so the journey isn’t complete. Regarding Kora: we learn most about her in flashbacks and this is where we see how her character for the point she is at now and why she made her initial choice. So her initial growth happens in reflection, though she does go through other changes. Kora tells her story of how her family was killed but then she was raised by the Motherworld, the killers, to be a commander of their forces. She conquered world and killed for the Motherworld and stole resources. She was just like Noble, dressed like Noble. But something changed her to bring her to this point, away from all this. We know she guarded princess Issa, which everyone liked and promised wouldn’t be addicted to conquering like past kings. But Isa died. Now this isn’t completely stated and will likely be in part 2, but it’s heavily implied the Kora was somehow involved with killing the King and his daughter. This is why she’s the number one criminal. This is what pushes her away from the path of conquering to seeking peace in nature and soil. The village girl about to be assaulted likely reminds her of the princess, as it did with Jimmy the robot, and gave her a redemption of sorts. Also Kora starts by thinking she is undeserving of a home and happiness, but after what she thinks is a successful protection of the villages, she thinks it can finally be a good place to stay.
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Dec 28, 2023 03:18
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