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wiki posted:Central Norway started introducing Epic (branded “Helseplattformen”) in the winter 2023. After approximately two months, the public broadcaster NRK reported that around 25% of the doctors at the region's main hospital considered quitting their job, and that 40% were experiencing stress related health issues due to the new IT system. Previously, health personnel actively demonstrated against the software by marching though the city of Trondheim.[46] Due to the chaos ensuing the introduction, including 16.000 letters not being sent to patients, the Norwegian CEO of the Helseplattformen IT project, Torbjørg Vanvik, had her employment ended by the board. Unexpected cost increases forced the authorities to decrease efforts in other areas, such as a planned initiative on mental health. Employee representatives state that the public will receive ”significantly worse services“. A year after implementation over 90% of doctors in the affected hospitals considered the Epic system a threat to patient health, and hospital staff organised large demonstrations at seven hospitals that had or were planning on implementing Epic systems. Helse Midt-Norge today forced Helse Møre og Romsdal in Norway to start with Epic / Helseplattformen even if M&R's own board voted against it. Helse Midt has sunk billions of NOK into Epic's trash heap already. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Systems#Norwegian_experience Was it Shaggar that worked at Epic? Maybe this should be a callout thread
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it may kill people but at least it's incredibly expensive
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ive never worked for epic, but i have worked with epic and can tell you it definitely sucks rear end
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ahh oh well, anyone else volunteer to being the thread appointed epic scapegoat?
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doctors just whiny because some of the nurses have the better skins and emotes
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Tankakern posted:ahh le epic scapegoat, m'lord
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flush this thread down Apotti
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Roosevelt posted:flush this thread down Apotti lol
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Roosevelt posted:flush this thread down Apotti yeah I can't build on this
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sounds epic, op
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also I want to organize demonstrations against bad software
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i forgot to add uk's epic system to the topic anyone know what they called epic over there? you know epic's expensive since every installation must get its own name
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every installation of epic is unique because they write code to order for each customer.
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Shaggar posted:every installation of epic is unique because they write code to order for every customer. bespoke EMRs
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yeah basically
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just like getting an extremely fancy suit the sales experience is all compliments and 20 year scotch then they hand the actual work to some sweaty dudes in a basement
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have we all discussed epic’s extremely, uh, epic harry potter themed HQ ballpit castle poo poo. feat staff having sobbing breakdowns in public
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Tankakern posted:Helse Midt-Norge today forced Helse Møre og Romsdal in Norway to start with Epic / Helseplattformen even if M&R's own board voted against it. Helse Midt has sunk billions of NOK into Epic's trash heap already. I think that was leftest muslim obama or whatever her name was at the time.
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people make hospital software with unreal engine?
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echinopsis posted:people make hospital software with unreal engine? M-M-M-ONSTER BILL
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akadajet posted:I think that was leftest muslim obama or whatever her name was at the time. no, I think she worked on mumps stuff I want to say it was tori but iirc he works in health insurance adjustment/claims software, which is probably an even more disgusting branch of all-american medtech
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Kernel Sanders posted:M-M-M-ONSTER BILL
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Kernel Sanders posted:M-M-M-ONSTER BILL
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Kazinsal posted:no, I think she worked on mumps stuff i thought epic systems were mumps stuff
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Kernel Sanders posted:M-M-M-ONSTER BILL
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Kernel Sanders posted:M-M-M-ONSTER BILL lmao
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epic was deployed in Danish hospitals back in 2016 which similarly depressing results https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/06/epic-denmark-health-1510223 quote:The problems were evident from the start. Epic’s medical terms were not tagged for easy translation, so Galster and his colleagues had to rely on Google Translate. There were howlers. “C-section,” in the Danish version, referred to an executive suite, not an emergency birth procedure. The American specialty “speech and language pathologist” does not exist in Denmark. The Danish system for a short time offered surgeons the choice of amputating the left leg or the “correct” leg.
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yeah it's exactly the same issues in norway. and helse midt knew about the issues with sundhetsplatformen before themselves going for epic, it's kinda baffling they did
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a shame it's so difficult to find articles about helseplattformen that is in english and not paywalled. https://www-nrk-no.translate.goog/m...&_x_tr_pto=wapp
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Kernel Sanders posted:M-M-M-ONSTER BILL
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Tankakern posted:yeah it's exactly the same issues in norway. if norway is anything like sweden, the procurement process is driven by people who have been doing procurement forever, but for stuff like snow plowing or bathroom supplies for schools and why change a winning concept?
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Kernel Sanders posted:if norway is anything like sweden, the procurement process is driven by people who have been doing procurement forever, but for stuff like snow plowing or bathroom supplies for schools and why change a winning concept? i'm guessing that + epic had the best powerpoint deck and the most expensive representation dinner/open bar
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Kazinsal posted:no, I think she worked on mumps stuff I thought mumps was mostly only used at Epic.
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akadajet posted:I thought mumps was mostly only used at Epic.
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she worked for epic and dealt with mumps as part of that. mumps is a language/database thing that a ton of EHRs are based on.
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Shaggar posted:she worked for epic and dealt with mumps as part of that. mumps is a language/database thing that a ton of EHRs are based on. not the one I work on.
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the oldest ones tend to be mumps based, but anything new they're probably moving away from mumps cause its not great to develop in
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Shaggar posted:the oldest ones tend to be mumps based, but anything new they're probably moving away from mumps cause its not great to develop in we’ve got a wpf/xaml based client that I refuse to touch
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