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it's a clunky mess of an interface and syncing broke at least once on my personal folder in the couple hours i was using it
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Sometimes glFenceSync() or glFlush() take about 1 second to complete
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Jan 3, 2024 14:25
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infernal machines posted:it's a clunky mess of an interface and syncing broke at least once on my personal folder in the couple hours i was using it ah, but there is one guy out there for whom it works perfectly, so just exactly replicate his setup before you complain (note that this setup will have twelve other things you need broken, but there are at least then twelve other setups where those work, and all you need to do is by exhaustive bisection try to find a midpoint where all things happen to work at once)
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that is roughly my experience with linux on the desktop, yes. sometimes there are mutually exclusive dependancies for one or more of those scenarios
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seems mostly related to intel's dogshit graphics drivers more than anything else tbh
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:seems mostly related to intel's dogshit graphics drivers more than anything else tbh possible, but it seems a fairly brave guess that the driver blocking on a fence setup by kwin is probably the driver just being dumb e: i mean, no real idea, but blocking on glSyncFence is at the very least exactly what the call exists to do. also i will note that absolutely no company has spent longer, more time, money and general effort producing drivers for linux. ever. the i915 driver has been around for 20 years this year (introduced in linux 2.6, paid for in full by intel), and has during that time been the standard choice for getting graphics on linux actually reliably functioning. which is not to say that it is good. just that all the others are worse and graphics on linux has a proud tradition of being pretty garbage. e2: also if that is not already clear i do have a special hatred for the open source fan blubbering about how every company is letting the great open source efforts down, as far a roi nvidia for sure took a more correct route than intel. Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Jan 3, 2024 |
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:huh. never knew there was an interpreter for llvm ir. then again languages aren't my specialty and it's been like 5 years since i last did anything with llvm/clang and that was basically just getting an ast to do code generation with, so nowhere near the back end. still, good to know it's really pretty cool but i don't have much experience with it, for me it's mainly a quick n' dirty way of getting compiled c/++ to run on ios
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:e2: also if that is not already clear i do have a special hatred for the open source fan blubbering about how every company is letting the great open source efforts down, as far a roi nvidia for sure took a more correct route than intel. the nouveau drivers have been hilariously broken on every piece of hardware i've ever tried them on. i've had about 70% success with the closed source drivers, with the other 30% of the time just rendering the system unable to boot due to some variety of kernel issue, across multiple distros. i think system 76's pop_os is the first time poo poo "just worked" with an nvidia chipset for me, and their last update was 2022
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the closed source drivers have always been fine for me. try using kubuntu or xubuntu or something, ubuntu is basically the one distro pretty much everyone "supports" (although that means you can also get by with debian if you want) e: and yeah i've been using intel's clear linux lately and like it a lot, but i haven't tried it with nvidia hardware. they do have the closed source driver in the dnf repo though, maybe give making a live usb a try? i use rufus for that on windows, and intel has instructions for doing it yourself with dd on the download page e2: huh, i guess the site is broken. they did, lol here's an archive link, https://web.archive.org/web/20230921091653/https://clearlinux.org/clear-linux-documentation/get-started/bootable-usb.html also includes instructions for using etcher i guess, but i've never used that Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Jan 3, 2024 |
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:also i will note that absolutely no company has spent longer, more time, money and general effort producing drivers for linux. ever. the i915 driver has been around for 20 years this year (introduced in linux 2.6, paid for in full by intel), and has during that time been the standard choice for getting graphics on linux actually reliably functioning. i've solved that issue by only using linux for console/backend stuff and, above all else, never ever doing any graphics programming on linux. worked pretty well so far
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Beeftweeter posted:e2: huh, i guess the site is broken. they did, lol lol. to be clear though, i am capable of building a live boot environment for linux, that is not a difficulty for me
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infernal machines posted:lol. oh i know you are, and even though that was directed at you, there's a few people itt that have basically said they don't know how that might be interested clear is actually surprisingly user-friendly, but unfortunately with a liveusb i think you need to use gnome (i've never been able to get rufus's persistent storage to work with it, but otoh never cared enough to troubleshoot it, either). luckily they have packages for pretty much any window manager worth using too though
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Beeftweeter posted:there's a few people itt that have basically said they don't know how that might be interested i think encouraging self harm is bannable clear looks okay, but idk about flatpack support in general, and "linux, but with telemetry" isn't really appealing to me conceptually.
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maybe amd can release a distro that's almost identical but also has a few critical oversights that make it impractical to use for entirely different use cases
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i love the general idea of providing a link to do something, finding the page is missing like a month later, and it turns out one of the maintainers threw a fit and pulled all the resources and maybe you can find a mirror, but it's basically unsupported going forward. it's like the essence of the using foss experience
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infernal machines posted:i think encouraging self harm is bannable you can turn off the telemetry through the installer, and you don't need to use flatpak. the default package manager is some intel garbage called swupd, but you don't need to use that either, except to install new builds of clear. well that and dnf (which is fedora's package manager) here's a post from the linux thread where i gave instructions on how to do that (by default it doesn't come configured with intel's repo) https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3617481&perpage=40&pagenumber=1041#post536741331
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infernal machines posted:the nouveau drivers have been hilariously broken on every piece of hardware i've ever tried them on. i've had about 70% success with the closed source drivers, with the other 30% of the time just rendering the system unable to boot due to some variety of kernel issue, across multiple distros. nouveau has never been good, and development has basically been nonexistant for years since nvidia increasingly walled themselves off to the point that you needed to sign an nda just to view shader disassembly in debug tools. they would eventually enable new hardware as nvidia threw the necessary bits over the fence, but all it really did was allow a hardware accelerated desktop for the couple of minutes that it took to install the closed driver. that's changing with nvk and nvidia opening things up again, but at this point, most of the legacy parts of nouveau are probably considered to be a lost cause The_Franz fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jan 3, 2024 |
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there's probably some weird interaction when flushing while waiting on a fence. in general, there is almost no reason for an application to ever call glFlush()/glFinish(). in fact, a lot of drivers silently make them no-ops, because applications have misused them so much over the years
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thanks to shadowhawk for making all this possible
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George posted:thanks to shadowhawk for making all this possible wine is honestly, legitimately pretty great now
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unfortunately my wife reclaimed my laptop for some work that requires windows, but otoh I did obtain a steam deck so 2024 year of Linux on the handheld
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i switched to pop_os from windows on two lenovos and it's been pretty great outside of needing to unmount cifs before going into suspend and remounting on resume. 2024 is gonna be the one, else face bing copilot up your rear end
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3des these nuts posted:it's been pretty great outside of needing to unmount cifs before going into suspend and remounting on resume lmao
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oh don't worry, they make edge for linux so you can bing for business up your rear end there too
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3des these nuts posted:i switched to pop_os from windows on two lenovos and it's been pretty great outside of needing to unmount cifs before going into suspend and remounting on resume. 2024 is gonna be the one, else face bing copilot up your rear end https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd.automount.html
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yeah there's a billion easy fixes for this you could set up a cron job even or, hell, mount cifs in the efi shell and make it available to everything
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ur mom gave me a cron job right on schedule, every day
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:ur mom gave me a cron job the only mom you ever disappointed like clockwork was your own
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my mother does want to kill() me
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infernal machines posted:wine is not excellent ya im more of a bourbon and gin fan myself
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Poopernickel posted:2024 will be a bad year for desktop Linux. with ubuntu's pending implosion over snappification what’s this snappification is it to do with snapchat
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Beeftweeter posted:it's really not a huge move from macos (which is BSD), and now windows includes linux with WSL. no excuse clsssic linux based response, which is the blame the user linux is the victim blaming os
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