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Fabulousity
Dec 29, 2008

Number One I order you to take a number two.

Saw a house in my neighborhood with an RFK Jr. sign next to another saying "SAVE DEMOCRACY" and wondered how many solicitors they get due to indicating to the outside world that an absolute bonafide loving moron lives at that address.

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Barometer
Sep 23, 2007

You travelled a long way for
"I don't know", sonny.
:whip: :cthulhu: :shivdurf:

I saw a house somewhere with a couple KENNEDY signs in the yard...gotta trade on that name recognition! Still not seeing Frump signs in any of the old holdout houses along the two routes I take to work. A couple of them, I am sure, will put one or two up in the coming months but I feel like there is a LOT of "wait and see how this trial poo poo plays out" going on?

None, anywhere in my neighborhood so far, which had at least four different places who had old 2020 signs forever. I never got tired of laughing at Trump Pence signs, haha, yeah buddy...PENCE. "lol:


My prediction is another loss for Trumbo, but I am hoping for a hilarious land-slide where the country sends a loving message to this moron and his dwindling cult.

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

:qq: I LOVE TWO AND HALF MEN!! YOU 20 SOMETHINGS ARE JUST TOO CYNICAL TO UNDERSTAND IT!!:qq:
there are a few people I see around with a "TRUMP 2024: gently caress YOUR FEELINGS" bumper sticker, somehow that doesn't feel like a winning message

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



John Yossarian posted:

I read a recent Newsweek article with a poll saying that more people thought Trump had a more successful 1st term than Biden. I just keep thinking, do they assholes not remember covid? In 2020, so many people died and the US economy was in rough shape. Trumpers also always bring up how great the economy was doing, but they don't seem to realize it got that way because of Obama. He had to fix everything.

I think you'll find that not a single one of those people thinks covid, even if they accept it as a real thing that happened, was Trump's fault or that anything bad about it can be laid at his feet. At best they think (as he did) that it was an overblown bunch of hype created by Democrats and the Deep State to discredit Trump and drive down his poll numbers.

Also you'll get nowhere trying to explain that economic effects take time to manifest and if you try to say a Democratic president's lackluster economic numbers early in their term, or a Republican president's excellent economic numbers early in their term, are the result of their predecessor's policies, they'll just accuse you of moving the goalposts and making up whatever mathematical mumbo-jumbo justifies your position because it's you who is brainwashed and delusional.

These aren't people who make decisions based on data or reasoning. They know what they know, the end.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
FEEL FREE TO DISREGARD THIS POST

It is guaranteed to be lazy, ignorant, and/or uninformed.
If Trump wins its basically probably the end of our Democracy. Sometimes I just sit there and am like "Welp gently caress" when I read the polls.

The Hambulance
Apr 19, 2011

:20bux:

ASK ME ABOUT MY AWESOME STARTUP IDEA


Pillbug
On the way home, I saw a billboard on the PA Turnpike that said “Trump lost. You’re in a cult.” :sun:

Chief McHeath
Apr 23, 2002

Gavin, news?

CUM!

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

Fabulousity posted:

Saw a house in my neighborhood with an RFK Jr. sign next to another saying "SAVE DEMOCRACY" and wondered how many solicitors they get due to indicating to the outside world that an absolute bonafide loving moron lives at that address.

They answer every single phone call and email they get earnestly

kazil
Jul 24, 2005

Derpmph trial star reporter!

Chief McHeath posted:

Gavin, news?

CUM!

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Hollismason posted:

If Trump wins its basically probably the end of our Democracy. Sometimes I just sit there and am like "Welp gently caress" when I read the polls.

I just got finished watching the John Adams miniseries as I've mentioned before and if there's one thing I'm taking away from it, it's the sheer amount of effort it expends making you care about the intricate details of Federalism vs. Republicanism in the opening decades of the country's existence, the tenuous international alliances we navigated, the shaky and fitful ground on which our institutions are built. You can only sit in quiet awe of how seriously we were once expected to take all this poo poo.

It was made years before TRUMP and so it's hardly a commentary on ~all this~, but looked at in retrospect it's like an artifact from an ancient lost civilization. Going from people who kept themselves up all night thinking about weighty issues of human rights and the nature of liberty and how properly to balance competing domestic interests in a way that preserves national unity, sitting in studies full of stacks of paper where they've spent decades writing and refining all their thoughts in defense of their theories and their motivations and convictions and honor — to a zip file of tweet dumps about ELECTION INTERFERENCE!! WITCH HUNT!! from a porn-star-loving serial fraudster who gains more momentum with every federal and state felony indictment he racks up

The final line of the series is: "Ah, posterity. You will never know how much it cost us to preserve your freedom. I hope that you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it."

And Paul Giamatti makes this *disgusted sigh* noise right at the end

lol

HolidayDrunk
Dec 31, 2023
If RFK Jr. actually gets like 2% of the vote then Trump is cooked. And if people are actually seeing lawn signs for him here & there, he just might. :laffo:

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Data Graham posted:

The final line of the series is: "Ah, posterity. You will never know how much it cost us to preserve your freedom. I hope that you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it."

And Paul Giamatti makes this *disgusted sigh* noise right at the end

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj0ksH2oOnA&t=63s

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

Hollismason posted:

If Trump wins its basically probably the end of our Democracy. Sometimes I just sit there and am like "Welp gently caress" when I read the polls.

"Probably"?
I think it's an open question whether or not the damage Trump and the open fascism of the GOP has done to our republic can ever be undone - democracy may well die (inasmuch as we even have it here) regardless of who wins this election, but yeah, no. I cannot imagine any situation where Trump wins and we have a democracy. The only question is to what extent the theoretical Trump presidency retains the trappings of democracy - do they pretend to be a democratic nation like Russia, or just embrace and own it.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Just voting to stop the end of the world, no biggie

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Three Olives posted:

I've mentioned this before, why not just pay people and do long term studies?

You would have better demographic data, people would have less incentive to lie to you and you could ask more nuanced questions. Voters are not random samples, why should polling be?

With enough random samples you can get pretty accurate results so long as you're accounting for anything influencing that randomness.

It's well known in studies that knowing you are being studied affects behavior, it's quite possible that the mere act of being in a long term study would influence how those involved think about politics and make them less representative of the general population. Anecdotally, we had a ratings box for a few years, and it absolutely had an influence on how we watched TV.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Just hold an election every week except Christmas and whoever wins best 26 of 51 wins

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

HolidayDrunk posted:

If RFK Jr. actually gets like 2% of the vote then Trump is cooked. And if people are actually seeing lawn signs for him here & there, he just might. :laffo:

this is another bit of campaign voodoo i dont (half)get.

on NPR partner stations, every season for the last several cycles, dems call in and complain about no signs or merch for their own team. like i guess non regressive are in fact the silent majority, and maybe should stop being silent and invisible/stealthy/low key?

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
FEEL FREE TO DISREGARD THIS POST

It is guaranteed to be lazy, ignorant, and/or uninformed.
Can you imagine the absolute poo poo heads that are going to be let in the door if Trump wins a 2nd Presidency. Like all the "reasonable" people have fled or been fired. Its just total psychos all the way down.

Wendigee
Jul 19, 2004

redshirt posted:

Just voting to stop the end of the world, no biggie

No no no it's important to throw your vote away because you don't like how Biden is handling Palestine. Might as well vote Trump and really the Dems a message

:brainworms:

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

redshirt posted:

Just voting to stop the end of the world, no biggie

Over twenty years too late for that, buddy. Climate change is pretty much baked in. At this point - barring some kind of miraculous technological breakthrough - the only question is "when" not "if".

Lammasu
May 8, 2019

lawful Good Monster

John Wick of Dogs posted:

Just hold an election every week except Christmas and whoever wins best 26 of 51 wins

I have the idea of replacing the electoral college with a Warhammer 40K game. States are still worth the same points, but you multiply them by 10 then use those as points to build a Warhammer 40k army. States still retain some importance, but the candidates have to show some strategic thinking.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Wendigee posted:

No no no it's important to throw your vote away because you don't like how Biden is handling Palestine. Might as well vote Trump and really the Dems a message

:brainworms:

Hey look, a Klondike Bar!

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
I would just remind anyone posting in this thread that if you're here to lol then you should probably take a break. Doomscrolling can happen to anyone, at anytime, much like farting yourself awake. Protect yourself and others by stepping away when you can't lol.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

Lammasu posted:

I have the idea of replacing the electoral college with a Warhammer 40K game. States are still worth the same points, but you multiply them by 10 then use those as points to build a Warhammer 40k army. States still retain some importance, but the candidates have to show some strategic thinking.

Does each state have an assigned army, or do they get to choose? Who chooses, if the latter? Governors, or state legislatures? Or is there a popular state vote for that? Like vote for governor, attorney general, and 40k army choice?

Cornwind Evil
Dec 14, 2004


The undisputed world champion of wrestling effortposting

And the most aggravating part is that the other side will think they are wholly correct in assessing that such a quote is about them. To have everyone they don't like caged, tortured, murdered, or 'just' 'kept in their place'...yes, they sure earned John Adams' freedom, you bet.

I recently have been reading a European comic book series, XIII, it got a cult hidden gem video game in the early 00's and a TV series. And one of the main plot overlines is an attempted fascistic takeover of the United States. And you can see the sheer amount of WORK the author assumed would be needed for such a thing, such elaborate plans and setups and wheels within wheels, as the plot is basically foiled and then restarted several times. The writers clearly believed that truly brilliant and evil people would be needed for such a thing, masters at acting, faking, and handling things.

Even NOW, in the last few volumes that came out in the Trump years, while there's been some added "Stupidity and hate will destroy your foundations no matter how smart you are", it's still a story of brilliant, evil people trying to seize power and our heroes attempt to stop them. And in reality, we got...what we got. Not just in terms of stupidity, but the realization that certain aspects of society have become so drat warped that people will split hairs down to the atom than do the obvious thing on its face, because That Just Ain't Done. Punish a rich white man who's racist, misogynistic, and a loud, never shutting up rear end in a top hat? That Just Ain't Done. And it's so calcified that the system can't even go "An exception is being made, because if you don't, then more and more people notice, and this setup relies on too many people being too occupied, for one reason or another, to notice, because if that number goes too high, you get the French and Russian Revolutions."

Captain Fargle
Feb 16, 2011

When is the next special election to fill one of the empty congressional seats?

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist

Hollismason posted:

If Trump wins its basically probably the end of our Democracy. Sometimes I just sit there and am like "Welp gently caress" when I read the polls.

Why do you have any trust in polls? Like, any at all? Polls are run in bad faith and are promoted for clicks and TV sound bites. They don't reflect reality.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

Does each state have an assigned army, or do they get to choose? Who chooses, if the latter? Governors, or state legislatures? Or is there a popular state vote for that? Like vote for governor, attorney general, and 40k army choice?

Technically, the Governor of each state controls their National Guard army.

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.

Lammasu posted:

I have the idea of replacing the electoral college with a Warhammer 40K game. States are still worth the same points, but you multiply them by 10 then use those as points to build a Warhammer 40k army. States still retain some importance, but the candidates have to show some strategic thinking.

Someone's gonna show up with a Warmachine army.

"No, Congressman Baker, you cannot use your Cygnar army. I'm afraid you forfeit."

Barometer
Sep 23, 2007

You travelled a long way for
"I don't know", sonny.
:whip: :cthulhu: :shivdurf:

"manys the slip twixt cup and the lip"


Just :lol: that anyone thinks Frump is suddenly going to be a competent fascist after all these extra years of decline.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




like Trump I was just jolted awake from making GBS threads my pants. Now I'm ready to defeat my posting enemies online.

StoryTime
Feb 26, 2010

Now listen to me children and I'll tell you of the legend of the Ninja

Lammasu posted:

I have the idea of replacing the electoral college with a Warhammer 40K game. States are still worth the same points, but you multiply them by 10 then use those as points to build a Warhammer 40k army. States still retain some importance, but the candidates have to show some strategic thinking.

How about a wrestling event instead. States draft wrestlers into their roster with the points, 1 point = 1 pound of wrestler.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

StoryTime posted:

How about a wrestling event instead. States draft wrestlers into their roster with the points, 1 point = 1 pound of wrestler.

Big states would have such a huge advantage, 40 wrestlers for every 1 from the small states.

Durf
Aug 16, 2017




There was a time when congress settled things with cane attacks and duels

But lord knows the current iteration would just be Marge unloading duel M60 machine guns, recoil propelling her around the chamber like a deflating balloon

madmatt112
Jul 11, 2016

Is that a cat in your pants, or are you just a lonely excuse for an adult?


MFW you really did fall out of a coconut tree

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Huge :lol:

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


Are they still worried that they're going to be forcibly vaccinated? People don't even talk about vax mandates anymore

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007


Big "Burn after reading" vibes

The Bible
May 8, 2010


ARGs are getting really lame now.

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notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

Barometer posted:

"manys the slip twixt cup and the lip"


Just :lol: that anyone thinks Frump is suddenly going to be a competent fascist after all these extra years of decline.

seems like he's a flatulence specialist if anything. A... flatulest? Fartist?

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