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Blankspace posted:...but I guess that would've been harder to establish character drama for and/or schedule and/or require more sets It seems impossible to me that Sense8 managed this nearly a decade ago and yet Netflix now can't pull the same trick. Wii Spawn Camper posted:Also ships aren’t on a flat solid road like a car, they are continually moving in three dimensions as they bob in the water, so having all the cuts be perfectly straight doesn’t really make sense either. I guess they just kind of forgot about higher dimensions, ironically. Huh... In the spectacle of it all that hadn't occurred to me, but good point.
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Question for book readers, how much of the China scenes were changed? Is it pretty much the same or was it very different? It really felt like it was saying “China bad” and there weren’t any scenes in modern China to say something like “things were bad, but now it’s better” or anything like that. I may have missed it though, gonna need to rewatch the last 2 episodes because I also stayed up late binging it.
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In the books it's p clear that the cultural revolution stuff was bad and they have moved on from it.
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3 Body Problem - Space is big. So, the aliens just had a fleet lying around ready? And they had not already found a destination to send it to? Bit sus.
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Wii Spawn Camper posted:Question for book readers, how much of the China scenes were changed? Is it pretty much the same or was it very different? It really felt like it was saying “China bad” and there weren’t any scenes in modern China to say something like “things were bad, but now it’s better” or anything like that. I may have missed it though, gonna need to rewatch the last 2 episodes because I also stayed up late binging it. In the book, all of the scenes that the TV show sets in the UK happen in China
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Collateral posted:3 Body Problem - Space is big. I believe they had the fleet ready already but they were purposefully trying to catch transmissions from other races. They then would have a destination to send it to that would have a habitable planet on the other side of a centuries-long journey with the belief that any race that is broadcasting into open space must be technologically lesser than them as they haven't figured out why that would be a very bad idea yet.
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That's a big gamble considering their immediate problem. I thought n body problems had been (sort of) solved via brute force iteration? You would think a species that had quantum tech would find it trivial via annealing.
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I figure having a fleet is a handy vacation home when you come from a planet that gets scorched every few years
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The book talks about the fact that specific starting configurations have been solved by brute force but no general solution exists. In the book the Trisolarans have developed sufficient ability to predict the movement of their suns such that they no longer get completely wiped out by a bad chaos era. However, their long term problem is that every other planet in the system has already been consumed by one of the suns and they know it's just a matter of time until theirs goes too. Solution to the three body problem or no, they still need to gtfo
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Maybe the trisolarans should have watched wandering earth and gotten ideas from that instead of building two planet-sized supercomputers to mess with our particle accelerators
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deported to Canada posted:I still have the last episode to go but its proved an interesting watch so far. I haven't read the books so I don't have to the reference point of what could have been, but the early mention of the Fermi paradox and Dark Forest hypothesis was a bit of a series spoiler as any one with a passing familiarity could begin piecing it together. I wonder if that's why they almost rushed to that to get the audience thinking that way. I enjoyed the books a lot, one reason being it does a good job of bread-crumbing the answer to the mystery so that by the time the reader is given the explicit reveal, it's more filling in some gaps and confirming the readers suspicions than it is a big reveal. So in that way, the adaptation isn't completely off. But as others have said, the pacing isn't quite right. Reading the book you get a nice slow burn of suspecting more and more, feeling more and more confident in your understanding of what's actually happening. The show kind of gives you those same breadcrumbs, but then quickly slams you into the reveal, so the pacing removes the drama and suspense of figuring it out.
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Tarnop posted:In the book, all of the scenes that the TV show sets in the UK happen in China Oh!… oh. 
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Would putting off DO NOT ANSWER until a later episode have been better
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Is Ye Wenjie even portrayed as a/the villain in the show? She hated humanity, but she thought the alien will "save" humanity. She didn't even know the capability of the Trisolarian at the time or what kind of price will be attached to this salvation, but you know, that's 400 years in the future and I am stuck in this top secret radio station in the middle of nowhere, gently caress it. After that things are mostly out of her hands. I don't think the show is too interested in exploring her culpability. In the novel the character is explored a little bit more. Or are we talking something more abstract? pedro0930 fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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DrHammond posted:I enjoyed the books a lot, one reason being it does a good job of bread-crumbing the answer to the mystery so that by the time the reader is given the explicit reveal, it's more filling in some gaps and confirming the readers suspicions than it is a big reveal. Yeah a big part of this in the books is that a lot of the time it's physicists of various specialisations talking to each other about what they're experiencing and what they think might be happening in the context of their field of understanding, or just thinking about this stuff by themselves. A huge amount of that was (and perhaps had to be) removed in adaptation so you end up with two problems: much of the science is treated like magic and you don't really get that Sherlock Holmes feeling of trying to work things out before a generally smart character beats you to it. Ideas are seeded sometimes hundreds of pages in advance, you really get time to work your brain. My biggest problem with this adaptation is that they shifted that time towards a bunch of character interaction and relationship development, and I haven't find that trade off to be worth it so far
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The seeming end of Project Staircase SUCKED and caused the two other people I was watching with to laugh. I don't know if they meant that to be more emotionally impactful or basically have it be something akin to "science is unknown, this was the most likely occurrence" but man did it not land well for me.
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I think I need to reread the books. I went through the plot summaries on Wikipedia and... Man I forgot about A LOT. I'm only halfway through the show, kind of excited to see how it handles the wallfacers. I thought they were fun. E: By way of expanding on Tarnops point- The trisolarian computation engine is introduced and explained in the book in a way that the reader kind of has to sus out "Oh holy poo poo lol they built a Chinese room computer!" which is fun to read through and think about. In the show Samwell Tarley just blurts out "Oh, like ones and zeros!" and the other protag is immediately like "lol that won't work". I don't know how you adapt that sequence to film in a way that offers the same experience as reading it, so I can't be overly critical... But it's just not the same. Double E: Spoiler tags- sorry! DrHammond fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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There's a lot to forget, they're pretty dense books. I read them less than a month ago specifically because I wanted to read them before watching this adaptation, so they're fairly fresh in my mind
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Wii Spawn Camper posted:Oh!… oh. There is a Chinese tv adaptation. It's on YouTube.
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Does anyone know why Rosamund Pike is a producer on this? She's not in any episodes and doesn't seem to be involved in the production at all as far as I can tell.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Does anyone know why Rosamund Pike is a producer on this? She's not in any episodes and doesn't seem to be involved in the production at all as far as I can tell. You could ask the same about Brad Pitt. I guess they just decided to buy the rights together and financed some things because they wanted their name listed as producer . Producer is such a stupid term. It can mean that you gave a bit of money and were never involved, or it can mean that you personally supervised every process down to the cleaning of the set toilets.
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Executive producer Rian Johnson!
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BoldFace posted:Sure, you could easily switch China to Soviet Union without affecting the story much. I think changing it to the United States could honestly be a lot easier. The main point of the Cultural Revolution part of the story is to establish that this was a time of major political upheaval with horribly bleak implications. Hell, the original text already implies this was a worldwide problem because of the way Silent Spring is namedropped. In some ways such a change could be more logical, since a political discontent in sixties and seventies era United States wouldn't intuitively be blacklisted from scientific work just because they're upset about the civil rights movement and the Vietnam War. deported to Canada posted:My take is that it was a person who did this as they were unhappy with the present state of society/mankind, who just happened to be Chinese. I don't think this can be misconstrued as an attack on the Chinese people or that they as a people were the cause. I agree with you about the first part because the Silent Spring stuff is in there specifically to emphasize that this was a worldwide issue, even if Ye Wenjie's personal problems are mainly adjacent to the Cultural Revolution. I disagree about it not being construable as an attack on China directly, because the Netflix show absolutely gives that implication by reducing the Silent Spring stuff to just being a cool Western book her boyfriend used to get into her pants and not discussing what the book is actually about, like, at all. Some Guy TT fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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I understand what you mean. I guess I was trying to say that it wasn't a Chinese state decision to send the message and she did it without consulting anybody else or telling them until much later. As such, you couldn't say that China as a country/political party authorised for the message to be sent so the whole nation is now culpable for the consequences.
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I've watched like 35mins of this and am bored
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It gets really good about 36mins in, just keep going buddy trust me
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You should watch minute 43 several times. There's a bunch of hidden stuff there.
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I was really hyped for this and it didn't quite live up. I don't have any big problems with it, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Maybe it's because I already know (more or less, I've forgotten a lot of specifics) what's going to happen so there's little to no tension? A couple minor gripes: -A lot of the main characters are from a single friends group which is just too much of a coincidence -The first stage booster separation is like, what, at least half an hour after launch? They go for a stroll on the beach, there's a scene change to the water filter thing, then some more walking around in the launch area, and only then we get booster sep. I'm saying half an hour but it honestly felt like hours. Immediately followed by the other stages and the sail deployment. So that timing is completely ridiculous and it really annoyed me. Still want to see the other books though, so I hope it does well enough.
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They flubbed and fumbled the wallfacer sequence so bad. Where is Saul's panic? Where is his agency? I remember in the book he loudly rejects the position in front of the entire Council and storms out to throngs of reporters before being shot. Here he's mildly shocked and has a heart-to-heart with the Secretary General. He's not freaking out? He's not terrified? When he leaves without taking security seriously it's an awkward mistake, rather than him pushing Clarence out of the way in fury and panic. There's not even a crowd or anything to show that he's been ushered into a position of insane and unprecedented power, it's like his life hasn't been affected at all. Nobody in the world seems to care that he now has the budget of a small country at his disposal. Such a great moment in the book completely missed. Then, they have Clarence smile stupidly at Saul to completely ruin the interesting moment Saul realises he can't give up the position of Wallfacer because everyone will think it's part of his plan. Why would Clarence do a big dumb grin for no reason. Also, the changes to the Wallfacer lineup concern me. In the books there's three of them, and I don't know which one has been cut (but I very much suspect it's a really interesting one I was looking forward to seeing). Not a huge deal but having one of the Wallfacers be a woman dilutes the critique of the 'Great Man' theory of history. The world's reflexive misogyny served as an effective warning sign for the Wallfacer plan. Updog Scully fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Mar 23, 2024 |
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I'm halfway through and enjoying it. It's a minor thing I guess but did I miss something or is it explained how Evans can talk to the aliens in real time with no lag? E: Hahaha. Literally as I typed this, it is brought up in Ep 5
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isaboo posted:I'm halfway through and enjoying it. You're not supposed to know at that time. It basically gets explained by the end of episode 5. They're not directly saying "And this is how they communicated with Evans" but you can infer it at that point.
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The quantum entanglement the sophons use isn’t actually scientific is it?
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Quantum magic yo. I mean quantum entanglement is a thing, but using it to remotely control an 11th dimensional super computer packed into a folded up subatomic particle at ftl speeds? Nah that ain't the state of the art.
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DrHammond posted:Nah that ain't the state of the art. That's what they want you to think.
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I'm not a scientist but part of me thinks if they could do that already then the 3 body problem wouldn't be an issue at all.
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Updog Scully posted:They flubbed and fumbled the wallfacer sequence so bad. cue the opening of season 2 where saul is basically living like james cameron on the maldives because he can ask for everything and get it
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Steve Yun posted:The quantum entanglement the sophons use isn’t actually scientific is it? It's based in a current theory, but I don't believe that "long distance" has been tested at the scale shown in 3 Body. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quant...rge%20distance.
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Mantle posted:It's based in a current theory, but I don't believe that "long distance" has been tested at the scale shown in 3 Body.  An example I heard was that quantum entanglement is more like cutting a coin in half and giving the halves to two people. If one person looks at their coin half and it’s heads, they know that the other person’s coin half is tails
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deported to Canada posted:I'm not a scientist but part of me thinks if they could do that already then the 3 body problem wouldn't be an issue at all. Weirdly enough, this magic Sophon science may not be enough to prevent or even predict the chaotic state of their world. They barely have any mass, so they wont affect the sun's and planets rotation. folded open, they may block some starlight, but I doubt they could stop solar radiation. Turning off the sun during the day would have been a way more impressive display of might. And even with some ultrafast supercomputer which makes precise measurements with lightspeed, you wont find a long term solution for a three body problem. The whole deal with that (even if it's not really explained in this show) is that it is a continuous chaotic system which is highly highly highly dependent on the precise input. So you have no chance to find the correct development unless you know the EXACT position and acceleration of every single atom in this solar system. In theory a singular proton could eventually destabilize such a calculation. Plus there's quantum bullshit, so you're not able to make really precise measurements anyway. Presumably, by this point they built shelter which is really stable, but one of the really awful constellations might still reset them. Worst case: The planet actually falls into the gravity well of a sun at some point. Mantle posted:It's based in a current theory, but I don't believe that "long distance" has been tested at the scale shown in 3 Body. Quantum entanglement is weird. While two particles can be synched together and share their state instantly, independent of the distance, according to the current knowledge of quantum mechanics, it is completely impossible to sent any kind of information this way, so you wont be able to use it for communication. In fact you can show that faster than light communications is quasi-equivalent to time travel and breaks causality. Basically what happens there is you have two particles A and B, which have the undefined state X. When you actually examine it and the quantum state X breaks down, it can either be 1 or 0. Now with quantum stuff you can manipulate these particles, so that they share the X. P(X_A = X_B) = 1. So if someone looks at particle A, gets a 1, you will also get a 1 in particle B. But the thing is, you have no idea if the other person already examined particle A. If you are lightyears away and check out your particle B, you might get a 0, but you can't tell if that's the same 0 the other person found or a fresh one you just created. So you did not gain any information whatsoever. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Mar 23, 2024 |
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cant cook creole bream posted:Weirdly enough, this magic Sophon science may not be enough to prevent or even predict the chaotic state of their world. And that's why I'm not a scientist. Good write up and explanation though, thank you.
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