- Raldikuk
- Apr 7, 2006
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is it just me, or does operation paperclip get brought up a lot on cspam/the internet?
it seems like the go-to example of america being evil nazi sympathizers, and it's sometimes presented as like a red pill fact that will open normies' eyes to the sins of the US. but:
- the scientists we grabbed during operation paperclip mostly went on to work in the civilian space program, which certainly had its flaws but which is mostly viewed positively by the american public
- the scientists were all nazis but they don't really have any eye-grabbing, headline-worthy crimes. von braun benefited from slave labor and probably turned a blind eye to the horrors of the camps. same story for a lot of operation paperclip guys. that's horrible, but not really special. i'm not an expert, so if there are really heinous guys who got brought over, i'm interested in hearing about them, but i've never heard of anybody like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bolschwing, who organized huge pogroms during ww2 and then worked for the CIA in the 50s
- the soviets grabbed scientists in the exact same way in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim
honest question: is there truly horrible stuff that i've missed in operation paperclip? i hate nazis but i've never really understood why this event in particular gets so much attention
The space program was really a nuclear missile program and at the time the space program was not viewed nearly as positively as it is now. In the 70s fewer than half of Americans thought the space program was worth it.
That said, yeah looking at how much NATO leadership in the early years were just straight up nazis is more red pilly.
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